Lolol.." What she's Good at". Yep, we saw it right there. Grabbing boards and getting her shot stuffed by the other team or the rim.
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Lolol.." What she's Good at". Yep, we saw it right there. Grabbing boards and getting her shot stuffed by the other team or the rim.
No doubt. Two of those were her picking the ball up off the floor after she got her shi-- stuffed by Jones.if that counts as 4 rebounds, that's just dumb.
I have zero confidence she has a true shot given the wnba woke politics and haters, JMO
We weren’t talking about MVP. We were talking about POWER RANKINGS after her first 30 days where I quoted she was a top 5-10 player.
You guys are just making things up to be mad about.
Or how about if Caitlin's teammates break from character and convert a good percentage of Caitlin's dimes and Caitlin has 20+ assists?
I'm guessing we're all thinking for Caitlin and the team it's due.
This is the thing that is insane. Her bar is so much higher than any other player in league history.
This week she literally did a thing that no player in the history of the league had ever done. 30+pts and 10+ assists in the same game had never been accomplished more than once by a player other than her. She did it twice in the same week. And it isn’t like last week when they had 4 games, they only had 2 games this week. But all some people can talk about is some turnovers and missed shots. People rave about Aja Wilson, who is great. But, her FG% is less than 7% better than Clark’s this season. And that is as a post player compared to a guard. Many post players in the league are shooting better than her including Boston, Cardoso, Hamby, Shepard, and Howard who all average more than 10 shots per game. Yet, I don’t hear anyone complaining about Aja’s shooting or the fact that she takes more shots than anyone else in the league.
We’ll see where that puts her on the player of the week convo. Reese set the single game rebounding record on Monday this week, which would normally give her the award. But how do you argue with someone that averaged 35.5 points, 11 assists, 4 rebounds, and 2 steals per game in a week?
Another thing to consider. Her turnovers have gone down each of the past three seasons. And she’s going to set career highs for FG% and 3pt%. Aside from the complaining about the refs, those are the two biggest complaints about her. And she’s getting better at them. Give her a couple more healthy seasons, and off seasons, of development and watch out. If her FG% was at 50% she’d be averaging about 24 points this season, even keeping the minutes restrictions she had for much of the season.
I'd also be very surprised if AJa doesn't win it. Not saying she's not worthy of winning it, and I do think Mitchell and Clark are going to take votes from each other.
Yep. Clarks SIXTH 30+ point , 10+assist game in less then 2 1/2 seasons worth of games. The rest of the ENTIRE WNBA has done that FOUR times in thirty years.
No one has such an expectation. Making some more bunnies would be nice though. Hull alone missed two or three point blank uncontested shots at the rim last night.
Yeah but it doesn’t count because it was against a bad team that was missing a couple of starters.
It’s absolutely criminal how for 30 years the WNBA has forced every team except the 2024-2026 Indiana Fever to play all of their games against really good teams.
“Media Creation”
I hope that dumbass woman that came up with that on X has been getting roasted
NO KIDDING!!!
But seriously that's kinda dumb cuz Caitlin already holds the record, which is just one away from 20 and she didn't need everyone to shoot 100% to set that record.
Ima gonna go ahead and say that not only is the quantity of Caitlin's 30+/10+ games greater than any other player (obviously) BUT the quality on average is better too.
In Caitlin's six games she has averaged slightly more than 35 points and slightly less than 11 assists.
The average of the league's other 4 games of 30+/10+ is 31.5 points and 11 assists exactly. Significantly more points and almost the same, but slightly less, assists per game for Caitlin.
Obviously Caitlin's 45 point (30+/10+) game is singular in WNBA history. Next closest is 33 points by Skylar Diggins.
In Caitlin's six games she has averaged slightly more than 35 points and slightly less than 11 assists.
The average of the league's other 4 games of 30+/10+ is 31.5 points and 11 assists exactly. Significantly more points and almost the same, but slightly less, assists per game for Caitlin.
Obviously Caitlin's 45 point (30+/10+) game is singular in WNBA history. Next closest is 33 points by Skylar Diggins.
I’m getting to the point where it’s top 5.
If the entire league opened up for a draft, Caitlin would be one of the first 3 players taken. IMO.
Yet there are morons social media who think Clark isn’t a true PG. They’ve gotten really quiet since she’s been healthy.
That’s actually more comparable than comparing 40 to 82.
My wife and I were there. She was as pissed as if one of our own kids got assaulted.
If Wemby sprained his ankle in the preseason, and works through that injury, his numbers are down, during the first 30 games, are you saying he would NOT be a top 5 player in the league?? SGA?
I ask as someone who would give the MVP to Aja. I just think your injury argument is kind of silly
Spraining his ankle is different than coming off a season ending injury. She was also shooting 35%. We didn’t know if she would return to the same player she was at the end of 2024.
I pulled a quote from May 30 where I said she was top 5-10 player in the league at the time. Apparently that’s not good enough for some of you.
Not knowing what we know now, it was a justifiable ranking.
From my view Angel was being boxed out as she jumped and that push was next to nothing. Should not be a T.
All this started was bc BroD said I didn’t think she was to 10 earlier in the season. It was a power ranking. I thought she was 5-10, and to be fair there were 5-10 players that started much better than Clark. She didn’t really get back into her current form for another 2 weeks.
currently my opinion is she’s top 2 or 3 depending on the night.
That's an interesting question about a redraft. It depends upon what the redraft is for. A single season to try to win a championship? Or is it an expansion-style draft where you're building the future of your franchise?
The Clark naysayers say that Aja is easily #1 in a redraft. And I agree if you're drafting for a single season. But if you're drafting for the next 10 years is that the case? Aja is 30 years old and playing in her 9th season. We've seen the peak of her and at some point she will come back down to earth. It is likely that she declines from being annual MVP-caliber within the next 3-4 years. Probably still all-star until 35 though. So you're looking at a half-decade of high performance barring injury.
Clark is 24 and in her 3rd season. She's got 2-4 years of getting better athletically before women typically peak at around 26-28. From there she will need to slow the athletic decline while improving her skills and court savvy. Barring injuries you're looking at all-star to MVP caliber play for a decade.
So, who do you take? A player with a few more years as an MVP candidate, and an additional few more years as an all-star? Or a player with around a decade ahead of her as an MVP candidate?
It would be like saying do you take Jordan in 1995? Or do you take Shaq? You can't really go wrong with either player. Both brought multiple titles to their teams after that year.
She'd easily be the number 1 pick. No owner is passing up that cash cow.
Agree on Aja winning MVP. Curious to see how Mitchell and Clark fare in the voting. I've been a skeptic of value stats like Win Shares, Player Efficiency Rating etc., and wonder if they under value the assist and over weight the turnover. Still, based on recent history, value stats would indicate that Mitchell is a serious MVP candidate along with Aja, while Clark is a pretender (likely due to her rough start transitioning back from injury):
MVPs | Season | WS rank | PER rank | PER*Min rank |
| Maya Moore | 2014 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| Elena Delle Donne | 2015 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| Nneka Ogwumike | 2016 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| Sylvia Fowles | 2017 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| Breanna Stewart | 2018 | 1 | 2 | 1 |
| Elena Delle Donne | 2019 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| A'ja Wilson | 2020 | 1 or 2 | 3 | 1 |
| Jonquel Jones | 2021 | 1 | 2 | 4 |
| A'ja Wilson | 2022 | 2 | 2 | 1 |
| Breanna Stewart | 2023 | 1 or 2 | 2 | 2 |
| A'ja Wilson | 2024 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| A'ja Wilson | 2025 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| | | | |
| thru 8/28 | | | |
| Aja Wilson | 2026 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| Kelsey Mitchell | 2026 | 2 | 3 | 2 |
| Caitlin Clark | 2026 | 14 | 7 | 9 |
| WS--Win Shares - estimate of wins player produced |
| (sometimes HerHoopStats and Sports Reference disagree) |
| PER--Player Efficiency Rating - per minute estimate of player value |
| PER*Minutes - estimate of total player value using PER |
Actually. I'd look at it from a totally different perspective. If I'm drafting with a centerpiece to build my team around, I'd want an all league type player who makes her team mates better and play at a higher level. Does Aja Wilson really make her team mates that much better? At the kind of level that Clark does? How many players in the league elevate their team mates the way Clark does, and yet can still produce themselves at that level? My draft would probably be Clark, Miles/ Bueckers, depending upon if Miles continues to play at that level.
I guess I base too much on the "eye test". She sure doesn't look like a "pretender" to me......
I agree with @Kceasthawk@77. In NO way is Clark a "Pretender". A player would have to be wildly inconsistent to even approach that notion. Again, a good indicator of how a player performs, "Making herself and those around her better", has to be taken into account. Wilson is good and she is a four time winner of the award, but what has she done since her last win to improve on what she has accomplished? I'm sure that "Win Shares" are not the only component to the selection process.
Not sure its fair to ask her to "improve" much. She's been the best player in the league for years and at the height of her game physically and mentally. I do think however that a players ability to raise the play of their team mates to a different level should be considered. and I don't see Aja or many other players doing that the way Clark does. Mitchell is another great player, but I don't think she consistently raises the level of play of her team mates either.
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