Can We FIRE Cal Yet?

morgousky

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That tells me you’re basically on the floor like a child throwing a fit. Very productive.

I've said it 100 times, I'd hire Beard tomorrow without a second thought. I'd go through the process of reaching out tot he obvious coaches and gauge interests. Nobody can pay what UK can, and nobody will. This is the Oval Office of college basketball.

I don't understand why so many of you pretend this is some impossible task.
 
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In response to both of your posts.

Yes, Cal can still be removed, but it will take an NIT this year and a bad season next year. That's probably going to happen.

Cal will leave on his own if he thinks this is coming. His brand in the only thing that's important to him. He'll land in the NBA.

If the fans apply mad pressure, which they are about to, his hand becomes even more forced. Changing will not happen with John Calipari. You have to think you're doing wrong to change, he doesn't. Cal is doing exactly what he wanted to do.

1. Be the go to guy for NBA players
2. Cement a legacy as the guy who coaches OAD's
3. Make a **** ton of money doing it

This is how his story was meant to be written. Cal stopped caring about wins and losses a long time ago, he cares about his personal crusade to be the NBA players coach, regardless of outcomes.

It turned into being about relationships with Cal after 2010. He was able to win because he landed top 3 players. That's over, but his point is still to have these relationships. It's just about his lifestyle.

I hate it, Cal suckered a lot of people with this crap.
How do the boosters view all this ? I know the fans need to put the pressure on but if the boosters are starting to feel like most of us fans then that is when they start pressuring the people that matter!
 

UK90

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I don't understand why so many of you pretend this is some impossible task.
It’s an “impossible task” for the reason already discussed: Cal’s contract. We’re on the hook to pay him around 10 million per year through the year 2029. You’re nuts if you think UK can just eat such an insane obligation while also paying a new coach. We’re rich, but not THAT rich.

Unless and until the issue of Cal’s contract is dealt with, the option of hiring a new coach is off the table.
 
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Tapemaster8

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More “real” than Cal’s ability to coach. He’s out of excuses. There’s ZERO excuse for how this year has gone. We’d be 3-1 with any other coach with the roster we have. Most of our players have got worse since last year.
Huh? We don’t have any players playing from last season?
 
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Rockfly78

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I've said it 100 times, I'd hire Beard tomorrow without a second thought. I'd go through the process of reaching out tot he obvious coaches and gauge interests. Nobody can pay what UK can, and nobody will. This is the Oval Office of college basketball.

I don't understand why so many of you pretend this is some impossible task.

ok that’s a reasonable answer. Thank you. It won’t happen though. A guy like Cal doesn’t get fired. It would take a couple tourney misses in a row. He’s built a ton of equity. I’d still wager that Cal is still better than any other option.......for now. Keep in mind it’s only 4 games in.
 
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TankedCat

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It is an “impossible task” for the reason already discussed: Cal’s contract. We’re on the hook to pay him around 10 million per year through the year 2029. You’re nuts if you think UK can just eat such an insane obligation while also paying a new coach. We’re rich, but not THAT rich.

Unless and until the issue of Cal’s contract is dealt with, the option of hiring a new coach is off the table.

If this was Cal's first high paying gig or he was 40 or maybe he felt like he didn't get a fair shot, I could see him sticking it out, hoping to turn it around, thinking all it takes is one good season to win the fans back (which is probably true to be honest)

but you can put a price on ending misery and UK fans can make it miserable for him if the program is down and not seeing an immediate turnaround. The price of ending that misery is walking away from the UK program.

At the moment, I don't want that for Cal, he's earned a losing season and a shot at redemption in my eyes, but that also comes with a mea culpa. You don't find too many coaches who have a national championship on their resume admitting their system doesn't work (until they are coaching at High Point)
 

ArtLaibsGhost_rivals

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Folks Cal doesn’t, give a hoot in Hades what our fan base thinks. His constant harping this season that we are losing because our unreasonable fans forced him to schedule too hard shows how he feels about us. When a coach starts turning on his fan base his days are numbered. I saw Nolan Richardson do the same thing at Arkansas when he grew fat and complacent and stopped producing. Cal complained about the schedule again tonight after the game, as if we had played Duke rather than the worst team in the ACC. Cal came to UK hungry and his use of one and done s was ahead of the curve. It no longer is, many others are now fighting for the same kids he used to get regularly in his first 5 years. He isn’t getting enough of them now to sustain the level of success he enjoyed early, so he decided kids to the NBA would be his new legacy as winning titles is just too hard. I am going to scream and complain all year if things don’t improve, and I hope a bunch of others do to. The University has their hands tied by his contract but if enough fans holler Cals massive ego will force him to move on.
 

USMC Cat_rivals309254

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I worry about Beard handling everything that UK requires off the court and while we know recruiting would take a hit regardless who we get, whoever comes in is going to have to recruit beyond a state or region.

Recruiting doesn't take a hit if we get the 5 best basketball players who aren't really interested in an NBA career.
 

SmedMoley

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We laugh at Indiana on this board. We need to take a lesson from them and not keep Cal around longer than is merited. I really think if they cut Knight loose in the late 90s time frame that program could be in much better shape today. Cal is not going to change. He's not even going to fire assistants for show. I don't want this version of Cal sticking around another 5-6 years.
 

RKulmer

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Could have sworn we won the SEC last year and favored to win the tournament and make a deep run in the Dance.
Can happen again if the write buttons are pushed ans a certain persons ego takes a backseat.
 

wildcatdon

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I have been impressed with what I have seen from Oats. Beard is not the answer Morg. Too soon for him. There would be plenty of applications if Cal left which I hope he does.
 
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westerncat

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Some may not agree but the players Cal has been getting are great kids BUT most of them are here for one reason and that is to get too the NBA as soon as possible. i don't think they give a hoot about KENTUCKY across their chest.

I will be glad when the one and done is over with and we get players who WANT to be here and proud to play for UK. A 17 point lost is really a sad thing to watch.

Will this be the team that loses enough games that we fall behind in all time wins ? I really don't think Cal cares anymore about that. As some of you have pointed all he cares about is putting players into the NBA. I could care less about that . I want to see UK win games and destroy other teams. Right now i am just pissed !
 
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behind the scenes I just wonder what the UK prez and Barnhart of thinking.

This can't be what they signed up for and I'm not talking about the losing at the moment.

Cal definitely has been "on one" in 2020 even by his own standards.

You would think for being such a religious man he would check his pride at the door considering how blessed he has been over the years but I guess at this point he's believing his own hype. Stubborn ***. This story has been written 10000x over with the same ending.
 

Slowwalker

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Rick Pitino was running whores in the dorms and kept his job. We want to fire Cal for a three game skid. Makes sense.

Cal needs to change. He is not stupid. Either he figures it out or he doesn’t. If he doesn’t, him leaving works itself out. If he does, I like our chances. I will take his winning percentage over just about every active coach out there. Not every coach out there can come in and have your team winning titles in three years, so be careful what you wish for. A brand new coach can take years to field the type of team that many on here long for.

I don’t think firing is the solution. Cal is a winner. He didn’t get where he is without adapting.

We have another Jackson sidelined with an injury. Let’s get him back before we completely write this team off.
 

BigBlueFanGA

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Well, that’s a nice thought, but I think you’re nuts if you truly believe Carl’s gonna walk away from the crazy money still owed on that contract just “to do the right thing.” People don’t walk away from a guaranteed $70-$80 million. Would you?

The only way I could see Cal leaving is if an NBA team offered him a comparable amount. But I don’t see that happening, as Cal is no longer the hot commodity he was several years ago.

LIke it or not, UK and Cal are probably stuck together for years to come, even if the two sides don’t really want it that way. That contract binds us together, it makes it impossible for us to fire him, and he’s still owed too much to walk away.
Cal will leave once his ego is bruised enough by embarrassment. Whether that embarrassment stems from recruiting, team results, fan anger or apathy, or a good helping of each, that is when he will leave and not before.

His legacy is more important to him than anything.
 

BigBlueFanGA

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Rick Pitino was running whores in the dorms and kept his job. We want to fire Cal for a three game skid. Makes sense.

Cal needs to change. He is not stupid. Either he figures it out or he doesn’t. If he doesn’t, him leaving works itself out. If he does, I like our chances. I will take his winning percentage over just about every active coach out there. Not every coach out there can come in and have your team winning titles in three years, so be careful what you wish for. A brand new coach can take years to field the type of team that many on here long for.

I don’t think firing is the solution. Cal is a winner. He didn’t get where he is without adapting.

We have another Jackson sidelined with an injury. Let’s get him back before we completely write this team off.
Fair enough but if you think the reaction is over 3 games, you've been pulling a Rip Van Winkle for a few years.
 

Slowwalker

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Fair enough but if you think the reaction is over 3 games, you've been pulling a Rip Van Winkle for a few years.

No, I know it is larger than the last three games, but we didn't see half of the threads on the board about Cal being gone at the end of last year. They have increased tremendously with the last few games.
 

morgousky

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I have been impressed with what I have seen from Oats. Beard is not the answer Morg. Too soon for him. There would be plenty of applications if Cal left which I hope he does.
Well, Beard will be at Kansas and we can compete against him then. That’s exactly what’s coming. Hope some of you are right and he’s a bad choice. I don’t see it.
 

morgousky

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It’s an “impossible task” for the reason already discussed: Cal’s contract. We’re on the hook to pay him around 10 million per year through the year 2029. You’re nuts if you think UK can just eat such an insane obligation while also paying a new coach. We’re rich, but not THAT rich.

Unless and until the issue of Cal’s contract is dealt with, the option of hiring a new coach is off the table.

But wait, Cal is a morality man, right? I mean, spiritual advisors and social workers would never hold a university and the taxpayers to a deal they weren't keeping their end on, right? That would hurt the University, and by extension, average students who don't have a lot. Cal says he's for kids living their dreams, getting out of their way, and sucking it up. He wouldn't do that.

Unless of course that's all ********, and the only "kids" he cares about are spoiled athletes who are set to make millions in a handful of months which bolsters his reputation.

I wonder what the truth is?
 

morgousky

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No, I know it is larger than the last three games, but we didn't see half of the threads on the board about Cal being gone at the end of last year. They have increased tremendously with the last few games.

We haven't gotten along completely but I don't fit into that camp. I've been consistent for going on two years.
 
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The boosters I know never liked Cal to begin with.

@morgousky - this is weird statement. How many “bosters” do you know. You stated “never like Cal to begin with.” No way. I dont pretend to know tons of boosters, but I have talked to someone who was integral in the hiring of Cal. Trust me, the booster base was clamoring for Cal, and it wasn’t a secret. They overwhelmingly loved him and wanted him here before BCG. Maybe the one or two you know didn’t fit into that mantra? Crazy talk.
 

morgousky

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@morgousky - this is weird statement. How many “bosters” do you know. You stated “never like Cal to begin with.” No way. I dont pretend to know tons of boosters, but I have talked to someone who was integral in the hiring of Cal. Trust me, the booster base was clamoring for Cal, and it wasn’t a secret. They overwhelmingly loved him and wanted him here before BCG. Maybe the one or two you know didn’t fit into that mantra? Crazy talk.
Let me rephrase.

Those boosters never really trusted Cal in the beginning. They came to like the winning. I'm aware the brass at the top knew we had to have Cal.
 

BlobUK

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You're crazy if you think Chris Beard would be a better coach here than Cal. Zero chance.
Beard would be a fantastic choice. I would be beside myself. Back to team concepts, Kentucky first, a hungry young proven coach, and one of the best in the game right now.

He's at TT, so we've yet to see what this guy is capable of. If we want him, you better get him before Kansas does.
 

ZaytovenCat

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How about now?

This team very likely WONT EVEN GET TO 10 WINS.

There’s no reason in the world for that to ever happen here and the coach should be fired on the spot. I wouldn’t give a damn who the coach was.

Freaking Gillespie would have won 2 games by now with this team.
 

ZaytovenCat

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It’s bad when I have Tennessee fans asking me how much longer is UK going to put up with Calipari. Everyone sees it except our idiot AD and the rainbow crew of BBN who supported even Billy until his last day.
 

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Won’t have to. He’ll bolt to the Knicks in the spring after a losing season.
We could only hope. Anyone watching this hot mess and doesn’t see major losing season is not being honest with themselves. Cal is just a pathetic x/o’s coach really bad and he’s being completely exposed.
 
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