Calipari fatigue?

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its called embarrassing loss / play fatigue. if the one and done was doing what it did in the first 5 years... we'd be fine with it
But it’s not. And any reasonable person that’s followed basketball for a reasonable length of time knew it couldn’t last You can’t replace your entire roster nearly every year and expect cohesion. I don’t know who in their right mind thinks that’s the way to win championships.
 

Cawood86_rivals

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But it’s not. And any reasonable person that’s followed basketball for a reasonable length of time knew it couldn’t last You can’t replace your entire roster nearly every year and expect cohesion. I don’t know who in their right mind thinks that’s the way to win championships.
I don't think Cal is worrying about trying to win championships anymore. That fire went out in 2015.
 

KYExtemper

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Looking at Cal's body language in that press conference, he looks like a defeated man who is out of answers.

He might talk about how the season starts in March, but from my vantage point our postseason starts after Louisville. We ride into the SEC with a six-game losing streak then we better win every game after that because we'll have zero quality wins without many chances to get other quality wins and get a tournament resume together. We're going to have to win the SEC Tournament too to get in.
 
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Losing fatigue. 1-5 no matter how much you like Coach Cal is unacceptable. This is Kentucky. That was an acceptable excuse back in 1926 when the team was made up of mostly football players. I've tried to be patient because of the youth and inexperience, but even my patience is wearing thin(not that my singular impatience matters).
 
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so he won one and made it to the title game in another without even trying?

Oh I believe he was trying, to get as many players drafted as possible. I don’t believe his priority was winning the championship or getting to the final game. Because I believed what he said from day one.
 
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armchairpg

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Oh I believe he was trying, to get as many players drafted as possible. I don’t believe his priority was winning the championship or getting to the final game. Because I believed what he said from day one.

that sounds like coaching to get guys drafted actually works sometimes. I personally don’t think that is what happened.
 

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But it’s not. And any reasonable person that’s followed basketball for a reasonable length of time knew it couldn’t last You can’t replace your entire roster nearly every year and expect cohesion. I don’t know who in their right mind thinks that’s the way to win championships.
not exactly true. We just haven't gotten the players the last 6 years. To win and win big with one and dones you need them to be Wall, Cousins, Davis, MKG, KAT, Knight, and Randle types. We just haven't gotten those guys in the last 6 years. The one year we were closest to winning it again in the last 6 not surprisingly was Fox, Monk, Bam who were close to that tippy top tier. Cal needs the best players just the way it is. That is his strategy, it's a good one if you're getting them when you're not and you have no actual coaching strategy to fall back on with lesser talent and no older players you DOA.
 

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The bottom line to me is that does this make Cal decide to make some serious changes to the way he is doing things?
 

420grover

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I remember hearing him telling Helen (I think) after that 2012 championship “we got that out of the way and do have to worry about it anymore”.
I think you remember reading someone else on this board say that in the last few days. If you actually remembered that, you could probably remember her name.
 

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I remember hearing him telling Helen (I think) after that 2012 championship “we got that out of the way and do have to worry about it anymore”.
Yes. It was for the fans. He wasn’t concerned about winning a title.
 

yoshukai

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Looking at Cal's body language in that press conference, he looks like a defeated man who is out of answers.

He might talk about how the season starts in March, but from my vantage point our postseason starts after Louisville. We ride into the SEC with a six-game losing streak then we better win every game after that because we'll have zero quality wins without many chances to get other quality wins and get a tournament resume together. We're going to have to win the SEC Tournament too to get in.
I thought it was an act . He’s trying to play the pity card .
 
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Cats192

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I'm tired of the "system." And it won't go away without Cal going away.

I'm tired of refusing to use Zone. I'm tired of never running any inbounds plays. I'm tired of not running an actual offense. I'm tired of losing guys who shouldn't be going pro. I'm tired of guys like Baker and Juzang transferring because we refuse to give them a chance.

I'm tired of having a whole new team every year.
 

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not exactly true. We just haven't gotten the players the last 6 years. To win and win big with one and dones you need them to be Wall, Cousins, Davis, MKG, KAT, Knight, and Randle types. We just haven't gotten those guys in the last 6 years. The one year we were closest to winning it again in the last 6 not surprisingly was Fox, Monk, Bam who were close to that tippy top tier. Cal needs the best players just the way it is. That is his strategy, it's a good one if you're getting them when you're not and you have no actual coaching strategy to fall back on with lesser talent and no older players you DOA.

Don’t even think those type of players are enough alone. After all, Wall, Cousins and Bled weren’t enough for a final four. The next year we made the final four not just with top talent but with 3 year Liggins and 4 year Harrelson coming up huge.

Then our championship year honestly seems more like dumb luck than design as time passes on. Not only a generational talent in AD, a generational great attitude in MKG, two studs in Dlamb and TJones returning with final four experience due to NBA lockout, and a senior role player in Miller, plus Teague comes up clutch making 3s. All those pieces fit together perfectly too, the one overlap in MKG/Miller just so happened to have Mr selfless in MKG asking for Miller to start over him.
 

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I do think Tubby had more staunch supporters back then than Cal does now . Maybe it just seems that way .

That’s how I remember it too. There are a handful of guys here now defending everything Cal does or says. But, there was a whole army of rabid TLT zealots here trying to make excuses for his decline & labeling ppl as racists at every opportunity. The Superfriends buried their heads in the sand & didn’t WANT to see the truth. And, they were constantly on the attack. There were probably 10-15 TLT Superfriends for each Cal nut hugger here now.

I completely understand being loyal to a coach & I am myself, to a certain extent. But, some fans are seemingly more loyal to the coach than the school & are more than happy to let the program burn to the ground before they’ll recognize & admit that we might need a change. Yet, they are the first ones to accuse ppl of not being real fans. The irony is hilarious.
 

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Don’t even think those type of players are enough alone. After all, Wall, Cousins and Bled weren’t enough for a final four. The next year we made the final four not just with top talent but with 3 year Liggins and 4 year Harrelson coming up huge.

Then our championship year honestly seems more like dumb luck than design as time passes on. Not only a generational talent in AD, a generational great attitude in MKG, two studs in Dlamb and TJones returning with final four experience due to NBA lockout, and a senior role player in Miller, plus Teague comes up clutch making 3s. All those pieces fit together perfectly too, the one overlap in MKG/Miller just so happened to have Mr selfless in MKG asking for Miller to start over him.
I don't disagree at all I was just saying if it's going to be all one and dones they literally need to be the 5 best ones in the country every year. I've said til I was blue in the face that DLamb is the most important player of the Cal era in terms of on court wins. He get no credit for being the the leading scorer, the bucket getter, free throws, 3pt's, etc....