Cal is right here. He has done a great job of keeping the knuckleheads out of our program and will continue to do so with NIL. The transfer portal/ NIL deals are a runaway bus right now. I expect this to get reined in soon. It’s a bad take by most of our “experts” here.Cal - "The problem is the NIL shouldn't be a part of (The transfer portal) and its becoming a part of it and if anyone is talking to me about NIL as part of transfer, I'm not really interested"
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Cal on NIL and Transfer Portal
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Did Clyde win a title? I’m also asking for your boyfriend. He concerned about u btw
I’m pretty sure the players can’t offer their services to the highest bidder. If Cal were to say he’s playing that game it would be a recruiting violation.Cal - "The problem is the NIL shouldn't be a part of (The transfer portal) and its becoming a part of it and if anyone is talking to me about NIL as part of transfer, I'm not really interested"
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There seems to be some confusion over the NIL rule. For those thinking players can be bought, read it and weep. No pay to play. No recruiting inducement. No pay for retention. There are entire chapters written elsewhere interpreting this in gruesome detail. To Dick Vitale I would say this, KY involvement in NIL for Oscar was limited to clarification of the impact of immigration laws on Oscar’s NIL eligibility. Dick as well as those espousing hate on this board toward KY or Cal need to learn some facts before shooting their mouths off. KY remains squeaky clean.
Excerpt from NCAA Interrim NIL bylaws PDF:
1. NCAA Bylaws, including prohibitions on pay-for-play and improper recruiting inducements, remain in effect, subject to the following:
• For institutions in states without NIL laws or executive actions or with NIL laws or executive actions that have not yet taken effect, if an individual elects to engage in an NIL activity, the individual’s eligibility for intercollegiate athletics will not be impacted by application of Bylaw 12 (Amateurism and Athletics Eligibility).
• For institutions in states with NIL laws or executive actions with the force of law in effect, if an individual or member institution elects to engage in an NIL activity that is protected by law or executive order, the individual’s eligibility for and/or the membership institution’s full participation in NCAA athletics will not be impacted by application of NCAA Bylaws unless the state law is invalidated or rendered unenforceable by operation of law.
• Use of a professional services provider is also permissible for NIL activities, except as otherwise provided by a state law or executive action with the force of law that has not been invalidated or rendered unenforceable by operation of law.
Excerpt from NCAA Interrim NIL bylaws PDF:
1. NCAA Bylaws, including prohibitions on pay-for-play and improper recruiting inducements, remain in effect, subject to the following:
• For institutions in states without NIL laws or executive actions or with NIL laws or executive actions that have not yet taken effect, if an individual elects to engage in an NIL activity, the individual’s eligibility for intercollegiate athletics will not be impacted by application of Bylaw 12 (Amateurism and Athletics Eligibility).
• For institutions in states with NIL laws or executive actions with the force of law in effect, if an individual or member institution elects to engage in an NIL activity that is protected by law or executive order, the individual’s eligibility for and/or the membership institution’s full participation in NCAA athletics will not be impacted by application of NCAA Bylaws unless the state law is invalidated or rendered unenforceable by operation of law.
• Use of a professional services provider is also permissible for NIL activities, except as otherwise provided by a state law or executive action with the force of law that has not been invalidated or rendered unenforceable by operation of law.
Y’all should make your mind up. Do you want one and done or roster continuity? Do you want players to come to UK and care about the history and prestige or their own bottom line?
Which one is it?
Which one is it?
We want Final Fours and titles. For the last several years, the one and done mentality has produced zero titles. Thus it would make sense to go back to the traditional way of building up teams. Calipari seems to be failing with either model, so the best solution would seem to be to scrap him.Y’all should make your mind up. Do you want one and done or roster continuity? Do you want players to come to UK and care about the history and prestige or their own bottom line?
Which one is it?
I'm not going to games.Boy you sure changed your tune in a hurry.Now Cal is great.Very interesting.........
Not at all. You are taking this personal. I'm saying if you want a change. Don't invest your time and ignore them. Then you get what you ask for. I told you in the response above to get to your point and not be worry about feelings. That response was exactly how it was intended. If you want to get the changes you seek, don't invest any of your energy/time/$ into the program. You'll receive it. Not a shot. Not meant to offend.
It's not saying Calipari is great. It's dealing with reality. You are going to have him be the HC this year. So what needs to happen to see a different/better outcome? As I stated, there's no emotional tie for me. I got so sick of how the program I supported for 30 yrs of my life chose to operate, I walked away. Don't invest time/$ and just blew it off. They dug in and supported an approach I knew was dated and wouldn't compete and I just was tired of being angry/upset and blew it off. It can be done. Now if your fans want change at UK, do the same. You'll get it with a school/historical program like this.
Same thing happened with UK football.
Well Cal has about got me to point I will give up on UK until he is gone.He is slowing destroying my love for this program.Billy Clyde couldn't do it because he wasn't here long enough,Tubby got lazy recruiting but I still felt he respected the fanbase,Cal makes fun of fans,overplays favorites to the detriment of the team,plavs outdated offense,hires new coaches but won't listen to them,tightens up to stall ball in the tourney and worries more about players dreams than championships.Sharpe was the final straw for me.
I will never forget when Craig Esherick responded to angry fans after a season concluded by saying "I'll be around 50 yrs if I want....." and next day he was fired. I just saw the writing on the wall of JT3. They embraced that Princeton system which never evolved and was boring. I hated watching it....hated how he was recruiting....and knew that system couldn't win in how he operated. So I just left it alone. Was weird at first blowing off 3 decades of investment but you get to enjoy watching the teams who play basketball and compete/contend in a manner that attracted you to the sport/team you liked in first place.
If you accept things as is...it'll never change. Personally I think the UK AD is as much of a problem as Calipari is...but Cal got fat/happy/lazy. I just am referring to what can happen to make '23 better and he's changed some things that outsiders who are friends with him wanted changed for some time and reported to him were being used against them. Justus. Gone. Recruiting improved. Now Harris is gone. We'll see if they can get better in that area. Thing about changes if they don't work after a few, they'll change who is the HC which is what many want anyway. So might as well sit back and enjoy '23 and see what happens because it'll be positive for fans who want to win or new coach. Either outcome you'll get your way more than likely.
I don’t like it either Cal. NIL has created situations like what is happening with Sharpe and Wong, where players can control the coach by refusing to play.Cal - "The problem is the NIL shouldn't be a part of (The transfer portal) and its becoming a part of it and if anyone is talking to me about NIL as part of transfer, I'm not really interested"
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Understand your frustration. Which is why it might be best to walk away, which is all I was saying. It worked for me. Now my problem was the "Cal" of the team I supported was still running things after he "retired" so was just more of same for another decade and change. Miserable.
I think Cal's in a win or go mode right now. I do think the '23 roster is more talented than '22 which I never understood why they were seen as this great team? Thought they were improved but counting on mediocre guys ends up with mediocre/substandard results.
If you watch most coaches, they revert to their weaknesses in tight games/moments. Fans want to think this is more complex than it is-but often it's just about which team makes more plays and overcomes their coaching than it is some tactical adjustment to help the team win. It's why you have to be great at recruiting. Bill Self won this year because he played Remy Martin. Hubert Davis lost because he tried to do what worked in entire tournament on Championship night and Love was not playing well prior to being injured--team was better when RJ Davis was running things and it came up short.
I just tend to trust that Cason Wallace/Livingston/Fredrick/Reeves are better than what is leaving. I know Toppin/Collins is better than Brooks. Oscar is back. They have room to add as well. At Kentucky you always are close to contending. Be it under this coach or another. The aspect I think you'd enjoy if you choose to embrace it-either Calipari wins big in '23 or he's gone. It's not going to be another year of misery for you.
When JFcats likes your posts you know suicide is a good option for you.
I think the list of who isn't is easier to spot at this point. Look at the deals being handed out in the 6 & sometimes 7 figures. They're all over the place, they're being handled on a much more organized scale elsewhere. Cal on the other hand is putting statements out there basically saying we're not dealing in those waters.
Without a doubt agree with coach on this one. Keep the trash out. Good riddance to those negotiating. If I ran the program and a kid did that to me, Id probably lie to them. Say we got a deal so I can sign them, then when push comes to shove, back out at the last minute. So you want to play ball or not
Yeah. The fact they weren't even going to give Georgetown a look got to be 2nd nature. Then he got some nice players and didn't adjust his system, just forced the Princeton garbage..so his response wasn't to change to fit players, it was to alienate players and recruit less talented guys.
I can’t believe I’m going to say this but here goes:
Honestly he kinda has a point with the the transfer portal and NL
I think the whole thing is *** backwards as the Sharpe debacle proved
I think NIL should be earned after putting in the time and playing games…not given or even promised before to induce commitment
that being said..while I agree with the philosophy, it’s not the reality
Honestly he kinda has a point with the the transfer portal and NL
I think the whole thing is *** backwards as the Sharpe debacle proved
I think NIL should be earned after putting in the time and playing games…not given or even promised before to induce commitment
that being said..while I agree with the philosophy, it’s not the reality
Cal just smart and ahead of everyone else.Cal - "The problem is the NIL shouldn't be a part of (The transfer portal) and its becoming a part of it and if anyone is talking to me about NIL as part of transfer, I'm not really interested"
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