Birthright Citizenship

[scotchtiger]

BREAKING: The US Supreme Court is about to consider UPHOLDING President Trump's executive order that ends birthright citizenship for illegal aliens and migrants who cheat the system


This is a MUST-WIN for our republic. Do the right thing, SCOTUS!


"Next week, the Supreme Court is slated to revisit President Trump's birthright citizenship executive order."


"It directs all U.S. government agencies to refuse issuing citizenship documents to children born to illegal immigrants or children who do not have at least one parent who is an American or a lawful permanent resident."


"It's a law President Trump says is in place all over the world, and he's right. You're looking at that map. And if he wins in court, he would effectively cripple the booming birth tourism industry!" @kayleighmcenany

Have the democrats said why they are against this? It makes a lot of sense. Children of immigrants still have access to birthright citizenship, provided their parents are here legally.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Have the democrats said why they are against this? It makes a lot of sense. Children of immigrants still have access to birthright citizenship, provided their parents are here legally.

Mostly the constitution.

Assuming if you support this there’s a grandfathering of the distinction? Or are only naturalized citizen’s kids birthright citizens? If you go back far enough, everyone other than naturalized citizens are only citizens because someone was born here, right? If grandfathering, that sounds like a law structure than the constitution or a law should address?

 

[scotchtiger]

Mostly the constitution.

Assuming if you support this there’s a grandfathering of the distinction? Or are only naturalized citizen’s kids birthright citizens? If you go back far enough, everyone other than naturalized citizens are only citizens because someone was born here, right? If grandfathering, that sounds like a law structure than the constitution or a law should address?

I haven’t researched the EO at all, but it seems it’s simply directed at those here illegally. Not all immigrants. If you came here legally, even if you are not a citizen, your children still receive birthright citizenship.

I do think our laws need refinement here. When the constitution was drafted, taxpayers weren’t paying for housing, food and other welfare benefits. People weren't spilling over the border just to drop a child on US soil.

There were approximately 2.5 million people in the US at the time of constitution drafting. We needed to populate our brand new nation. Obviously, we’re in a much different spot with more than 340 million people in the country and tens of millions dependent on the government.

Let’s welcome qualified immigrants legally and embrace the citizenship of their children. We can do that while also implementing logical protections and rules.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

I haven’t researched the EO at all, but it seems it’s simply directed at those here illegally. Not all immigrants. If you came here legally, even if you are not a citizen, your children still receive birthright citizenship.

I do think our laws need refinement here. When the constitution was drafted, taxpayers weren’t paying for housing, food and other welfare benefits. People weren't spilling over the border just to drop a child on US soil.

There were approximately 2.5 million people in the US at the time of constitution drafting. We needed to populate our brand new nation. Obviously, we’re in a much different spot with more than 340 million people in the country and tens of millions dependent on the government.

Let’s welcome qualified immigrants legally and embrace the citizenship of their children. We can do that while also implementing logical protections and rules.

All fine discussion. And I hear you on most of it. But the constitution is the constitution is all.

 

[TigerGrowls]

 

[DailyBuck7]

People ought to read the decision of US v Wong Kim Ark, 169 US 649 (1898), which ruled in favor of birthright citizenship. It is a poorly reasoned case that essentially is based on the law of serfdom. It held that under English common law people belonged to the land where they were born. There was little analysis of the 14th amendment in particular. The most respected member of that Court, Justice Harlan, dissented. Very easy case to overrule because it is based on such antiquated ideas. In fact the English common law principle, upon which it was based was overruled.

 

[TigerGrowls]

No, the facts about birthright citizenship are not racist:


1. The 14th Amendment's birthright citizenship provision was intended to make citizens for former slaves – not anchor babies of 21st century illegal alien invaders.


2. Although the 1898 Supreme Court case of US v. Wong Kim Ark improperly extended the 14th Amendment to include the child of Chinese immigrants, at least Wong Kim Ark's parents were in the country legally as permanent residents. You can't say that about anchor baby parents.


3. BTW, the 14th Amendment is unconstitutional in the first place as it was improperly ratified. Southern states weren't allowed to vote on it in Congress; they were forced to ratify it before they could be readmitted to the Union, which Lincoln said they had never left; and New Jersey rescinded its ratification well ahead of final ratification but was counted anyway. Amy Coney Barrett knows this. repository.law.upenn.edu/documents?sear…


4. If we had a properly functioning government: SCOTUS would trash the 14th Amendment in Trump v. Barbara, which will be argued Wednesday, April 1, 2026. Congress would then re-draft the 14th Amendment and have it properly ratified. Instead, we will likely get more disastrous SCOTUS overreach.

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I know we can all get in the weeds arguing carefully nuanced analysis of legal semantics…

The 13th amendment made some slaves free
The 14th gave them citizenship
The 15th the right to vote…

The highest farce must be the notion that these legislators of the mid 19th century, many of whom who had to be pulled kicking and screaming to just vote to end slavery, suddenly thought they’d shoehorn a lil gift by giving the right of citizenship to all illegal aliens children…

 

[TigerGrowls]

The 14th Amendment was written after slavery to guarantee citizenship to former slaves and to children of immigrants fully under U.S. jurisdiction. The framers obviously could not have imagined Chinese anchor baby mothers flying in for a quick visit. But they included the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” meaning that some limits on automatic citizenship were intended. Traditionally, this has applied to children of foreign diplomats or invading forces, but there’s no reason it couldn’t extend further. For example, Article 7 of China’s National Security Law obligates all Chinese citizens to serve the state as spies, meaning they remain subject to their own jurisdiction. There are many arguments along these lines, so it will be interesting to see where Barrett, Kavanaugh, and perhaps even Gorsuch come down on this.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Big day!!!

 

[TigerGrowls]

@LafayetteBear

You part of this group???



Lawyers from San Francisco are headed to DC to challenge Donald Trump executive order that bans birthright citizenship

One of the lawyers is the National Legal Director of the ACLU in California

The group of lawyers says they will argue that everyone born in American under any circumstances gets citizenship

 

[TigerGrowls]

 

[TigerGrowls]

 

[fatpiggy]

Reminds me of a book I read called “The Charm School” where Russians kidnap a couple Americans and make them teach Russian spies American language, mannerisms and culture.

 

[fatpiggy]

 

[fatpiggy]

All fine discussion. And I hear you on most of it. But the constitution is the constitution is all.

It would seem if it is that finite, then foreign diplomats should receive citizenship, but they don’t.

 

[baltimorened]

Reminds me of a book I read called “The Charm School” where Russians kidnap a couple Americans and make them teach Russian spies American language, mannerisms and culture.

great book, Nelson DeMille

 

[TheValley91]

Doesnt seem to be going well in here lol

 

[Chumpsky]

Trump is about to get bent over by the Supreme Court on this one. What a fcking idiot

 

[Chumpsky]

A story like that's gotta be true.

 

[LafayetteBear]

This will end up with scotus.



Just listened to the Preliminary Injunction hearing in Seattle. Unbelievable. After the DOJ attorney made a compelling argument, citing controlling Supreme Court precedent about the meaning of the "subject to the jurisdiction" requirement in the Citizenship Clause, Senior Judge Coughenour attacked President Trump for undermining the Rule of Law, then signed the PI without even mentioning any of the controlling precedent. This is preposterous.

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It has a name. It's called Democracy Governance Rule of law and they implimented it into our court systems through liberal Prosecutors in liberal Judges chambers and they used it on you in your trial.

It's part of the United Nations attempt to change our court system into the ICC.

BWAHAHAHAHA!! "Dr. John Eastman." And Repugnicants were casting brickbats at Jill Biden for claiming the title of "Dr." This Eastman character is a crook, and no longer eligible to practice law, at least not in California. He was recommended for disbarment, but I believe he is still fighting that in court. He's a Cheeto Hitler pardon away from having donned an orange jumpsuit. Such an impressive legal authority.

 

[TigerGrowls]

BWAHAHAHAHA!! "Dr. John Eastman." And Repugnicants were casting brickbats at Jill Biden for claiming the title of "Dr." This Eastman character is a crook, and no longer eligible to practice law, at least not in California. He was recommended for disbarment, but I believe he is still fighting that in court. He's a Cheeto Hitler pardon away from having donned an orange jumpsuit. Such an impressive legal authority.

Everyone has an opinion but he is on a much higher level in the legal world bro. Commies attack patriots. Eastman is a patriot.

 

[TigerGrowls]

 

[yoshi121374]

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Boy don't you just love blatant racism?

 

[Moogy]

Everyone has an opinion but he is on a much higher level in the legal world bro. Commies attack patriots. Eastman is a patriot.

Commies attack Nazis, bro. Nazis. You two have never gotten along.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Boy don't you just love blatant racism?

Well she's a dei hire by your party yoshi.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Commies attack Nazis, bro. Nazis. You two have never gotten along.

Are you a proud commie moogy?

 

[TigerGrowls]

If the Supreme Court strike's down Trump's birthright citizenship EO, then he needs to immediately pivot the party in the direction of implementing an immigration moratorium for at least 10 years.

An amendment to the constitution isn't happening anytime soon so this would be the best way to mitigate the long-term damage and ramifications of such a disgraceful ruling.

 

[TigerGrowls]

 

[Moogy]

Are you a proud commie moogy?

No, I'm a once-proud American who is going to have to clean up the mess of your Nazi crew fighting the Commies.

Fun fact: the "red pill/blue pill" premise you use to justify your crazed existence was created by 2 brothers, who are now sisters.

 

[TigerGrowls]

No, I'm a once-proud American who is going to have to clean up the mess of your Nazi crew fighting the Commies.

Fun fact: the "red pill/blue pill" premise you use to justify your crazed existence was created by 2 brothers, who are now sisters.

Moogy you obviously do not know what a nazi is so all of your other opinions are thrown into doubt.

 

[Moogy]

Moogy you obviously do not know what a nazi is so all of your other opinions are thrown into doubt.

So, wait, when you exaggerate a little, it casts everything else you say into the realm of doubt? So when you call people retards, knowing they're not actually retarded, you've just destroyed your own credibility on any topic?

That's your story and you're sticking to it?

Fascist = Nazi (roughly) ... and, yes, you guys are fascists, without exaggeration.

 

[TigerGrowls]

So, wait, when you exaggerate a little, it casts everything else you say into the realm of doubt? So when you call people retards, knowing they're not actually retarded, you've just destroyed your own credibility on any topic?

That's your story and you're sticking to it?

Fascist = Nazi (roughly) ... and, yes, you guys are fascists, without exaggeration.

I refer you to the "libs are not smart" thread moogy. Let the truth set you free.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Congress made it a crime to enter this country illegally. We built walls, passed laws, and funded enforcement to keep it from happening.

The idea that someone who broke every one of those laws earns citizenship for their child the moment they cross the border is absurd.

Birthright citizenship for illegal aliens was never the intent of the 14th Amendment.

 

[TigerGrowls]

How many of the illegals have popped anchor babies over the last 6 years???

 

[TigerGrowls]

 

[LafayetteBear]

Everyone has an opinion but he is on a much higher level in the legal world bro. Commies attack patriots. Eastman is a patriot.

A higher level? ROFL, TG. He's a criminal and he's facing disbarment. Other than that, he's great.

 

[LafayetteBear]

I don't know how this moron Alito ever passed the bar exam. His only guiding principle is allegiance to Cheeto Hitler.

 

[fatpiggy]

 

[fatpiggy]

It would seem if it is that finite, then foreign diplomats should receive citizenship, but they don’t.

 

[fatpiggy]

Desantis gets it.

We The People wrote the constitution. Thats does not apply to people outside of we the people. The constitution does not protect illegals