Bill self on ESPN
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Give it up man. You are trying to reason with someone who believes that Helm banners are the same as NCAA titles. She is fine erasing every win but wants to add a loss just so the numbers look good in her favor. These are fans who cheer for known woman beaters. Pathetic.
Oh Colar lite RC is on life support. You can always return to your championship board and spew there. Just a suggestion...you seem to have a little Roy in you....jmusao
I didn't say a word about those games. Might want to check your facts. I'm a UK fan so what Cal did prior to coming here does not concern me. Since we're wiping those games out Cal is 1-0 against Selk in the only game that matters to me. Bet your a Texas football fan too.
The guy was an okay singer. I guess he was a better person per Hi C. I like meeting good people so I missed out...
Kansas fans know they have no way of winning his tournament let alone he to the final four. Graham leavin and possibly Vick...poor recruiting has caught up to Kansas.
We should be the title favorite next year. We may lose Vick and Newman, but if we do we'll probably add Langford.
Oh no, it returned like a case of warts. Does ku have a board?
Favorite for what the regular season conference title.
How’s that working out for you, moron?
I just want to give you a big hug.
Not me, save that for your girlie man kneeburns...
No I'm just trying to figure out how you're predicting Kansas the title favorite for next year. Hard to predict that when you don't even know who's coming back for your team or others. I can do that too, Kentucky is the favorite for 2037. Cal has that class locked up.
Let me explain to you what KySpringcat is trying so valiantly to get through your thick skull.
First of all, Cal wasn't cheating during those two seasons, but let's even say that he was for sake of analogy -
Say your child is in a U-14 basketball league, and some other kid leads his team to an undefeated season, dropping 30 and 10 a game and generally getting the best of your 20 and 5 boy every time they meet.
It later turns out that the other kid is 15, and his title is stripped.
Forget about age for a second... at this moment in time, is your boy a better player than the other kid? Of course not. The numbers still demonstrate a considerable gap in ability which doesn't magically disappear just because the record book is altered.
Maybe later down the road when they're both adults, your kid will be better - and maybe when Billy rughead grows up, he'll be better than Cal.
But he sure as hell isn't now, and the actual tournament results make that clear (46 and 17 for Cal if your numbers are correct, which is a 73% win rate).
To answer your Louisville retort, no, they don't have a championship, but if we were comparing the strength of teams from 2013, it would be asinine to state that because Duke went to the Elite 8 and Louisville technically had no wins in the tournament, Duke was in fact the better team.
It's not a difficult concept.
Louisville was obviously better than Duke in 2013. Anybody who isn't brain damaged knows that. At the same time, Louisville was not allowed to keep their championship from 2013.
Cal is obviously a better coach than Self. Anybody who isn't brain damaged knows that. At the same time, Cal was not allowed to keep his F4s from those two years.
All of these statements can be, and are, true - all at once.
Yeah, he's a lot better than your average college coach. He's also the second best coach of the two we're discussing in this thread.
Self had the worst KU squad in 15 years, started a 3 star with an offer from applacian state, lost his 5 star one and done and...
Won a conference champ
Won a conference tournament champ
Won record conference champ
Went to sweet 16
Pretty damn good coach
Yeah. Pretty good.
Cal took a school that had been to 1 NCAA tournament in history (1962), and averaged 29 wins a season over 5 including a sweet 16, an elite 8 and a final 4. He did this with two players on his entire roster that even had a single high-major offer.
But yes, I'd say Self is a top 5 active coach, so I'd be happy with him if I were a KU fan, as well. Short of locked-in guys like Cal or K, you're not going to do better.
And Cal has an opportunity to make the final four at UK not only twice as a 1 seed but potentially a 5 to add to making it as a 4 and a 8.
Devin Dotson - best pg in the class
Quentin Grimes - best sg in the class
Romeo Langford - top 5 player
Dedrick Lawson (POY Candidate)
Azubuike (POY Candidate)
Silvio DeSousa
David McCormack
Marcus Garrett
Charlie Moore
KJ Lawson
Ochai Agbaji
If we only lose Shai and Knox, I'd take us.
If we lose Shai, Knox, and Hami, I could go either way.
I"d hold off counting Romeo just yet. Indiana an Vanderbilt are still options.