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RUJMM78

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Conference needs to upgrade its recruiting and recruit athletes. Year after year , this conference lags in recruiting behind other P5 conferences with exception of Michigan as of late and Ohio State next year.
Also look at coaching moves. Sean Miller is available and Maryland settles for Kevin Willard - Turgeon 2.0 - while Sean Miller - game changer - was available.
Teams like Wisconsin and Iowa will be successful in conference play but put them against other conferences - and it’s generally a fail in the long run.
Conference needs to look itself in the mirror and emulate what Howard is doing at Michigan. Recruiting / Recruiting / Recruiting !
Its the skillset of recruits that needs to get better.The centers needs to make outside shots to open the foul lane for dribble drives to the basket.The importance of the 3 point shot hasn't been emhasized enough as shown by the poor outside shooting on most Big Ten teams.There is a lack of lateral quickness on defense which has allowed opponents in the tournament to dribble drive to the basket and make the basket or get fouled.The star players like Murray and Davis didn't take enough shots in the games which was a advantage to the opponent.
 

burtmanjack

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Big East would have 2 teams, not 3. Big East riding the coattails of Villanova for forever.

Um, read more closely. 3 out of 9 teams (best B10 can do at this point) is 33% of bids, same as BE already has (2 out of 6 teams). Exactly as I said - exactly the same percentage.

And that’s funny - every conference has flagship schools. Unfortunately, the BE actually has championship coattails to ride. The B10 has . . . a lot of bids.
 
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burtmanjack

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Perception wise , it looks terrible that your first 4 teams that played today lost.
Sadly, it’s the same thing every year.

We kid ourselves and pump ourselves up by claiming every year that we are the best conference in the nation.

And then we and our conference brethren go out every year and prove otherwise.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Wake me up when this league even sniffs a national championship in basketball (or football) again.
 

MadRU

Heisman
Jul 26, 2001
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Wisconsin went totally away from team ball and just went to Davis ball and he has been poor.
 
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burtmanjack

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Hall fan? Envy is a destructive emotion
I pull for both. I grew up in SO. Have family actively playing varsity for RU. And I went to Harvard, so no dog in this fight (still can’t stand Amaker tho).

Sadly, not a lot to be jealous of. Either way.
 

shields

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Aug 5, 2002
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Happened during the game, hard to make adjustments then. Aiken was a shame. OSU and Michigan State were lower seeds. Illinois was poor.
 

RUJMM78

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Wisconsin loses to Iowa State 54-49. Very disappointing in the Wisconsin performance.
 
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Big 10 is a joke In March. 9 teams last year and only one makes it to second weekend. Purdue and Ohio state suffer awful first round losses. Illinois loses as a 1 to 8. Iowa gets blown out as a 2.

this year 9 teams again and maybe only 1 through second weekend again. Iowa one of the worst losses in tourney. Illinois was awful. Wisconsin loses at home basically.

the style of play in b10 isn’t suited for success in March
 

G- RUnit

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Makes you wonder about the ratings systems that everybody relies upon might not be worth anything.

Last year everybody said PAC 12 was trash. Blew everybody away.
This year everybody said ACC was trash. Looking awfully good.
 

fluoxetine

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Nov 11, 2012
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Makes you wonder about the ratings systems that everybody relies upon might not be worth anything.

Last year everybody said PAC 12 was trash. Blew everybody away.
This year everybody said ACC was trash. Looking awfully good.
The rating systems just do math on the game results. There was no reasonable thing you could have done with game results last season to make the PAC look good. Ditto for the ACC this year. And it’s not like human analysts even disagreed with the computers on these points
 

RU Husky

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It's the Rutgers factor. What do Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois,Ohio State,Michigan State (all out early in the tournament) have in common.? They all lost to RU. My simple thesis. If Rutgers can beat you, you're doomed to fail. Of course there are exceptions to the curse, but not many.
 

AZBlues

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Here's the Wisconsin-Iowa State shot chart for the entire game... Looks like Wisconsin took 28 shots outside the paint... and made 3.

 
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G- RUnit

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The rating systems just do math on the game results. There was no reasonable thing you could have done with game results last season to make the PAC look good. Ditto for the ACC this year. And it’s not like human analysts even disagreed with the computers on these points
Obviously it’s not working. May want to change their systems. Two years in a row embarrassingly wrong. Like political polling wondering if all just so wrong and simply following each other.
 
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RU84

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I was listening to some commentators on Mad Dog radio yesterday and they made the point that Big 10 teams are built to compete in the conference but aren’t constructed to have success in the NCAA tournament. Their reasoning is that most tournament games are half court where the teams that excel have superior guard play. They said Big 10 teams are built around old school pound the ball inside with your big man play and guard play is generally sub par. Think that’s a generalization but hard to disagree.
 
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RUJMM78

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It will be a total embarrassment if Michigan is the only Big Ten team winning over the weekend.The shooting has been horrendous for most of the teams.Purdue is leading Texas 17-14 with ten minutes remaining in first half.
 

RUJMM78

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I was listening to some commentators on Mad Dog radio yesterday and they made the point that Big 10 teams are built to compete in the conference but aren’t constructed to have success in the NCAA tournament. Their reasoning is that most tournament games are half court where the teams that excel have superior guard play. They said Big 10 teams are built around old school pound the ball inside with your big man play and guard play is generally sub par. Think that’s a generalization but hard to disagree.
The results today confirm comments regarding Big Ten tournament failures.
 

burtmanjack

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Big 10 is a joke In March. 9 teams last year and only one makes it to second weekend. Purdue and Ohio state suffer awful first round losses. Illinois loses as a 1 to 8. Iowa gets blown out as a 2.

this year 9 teams again and maybe only 1 through second weekend again. Iowa one of the worst losses in tourney. Illinois was awful. Wisconsin loses at home basically.

the style of play in b10 isn’t suited for success
I was listening to some commentators on Mad Dog radio yesterday and they made the point that Big 10 teams are built to compete in the conference but aren’t constructed to have success in the NCAA tournament. Their reasoning is that most tournament games are half court where the teams that excel have superior guard play. They said Big 10 teams are built around old school pound the ball inside with your big man play and guard play is generally sub par. Think that’s a generalization but hard to disagree.
If that's the case then one of these B10 coaches has to stop thinking like a dinosaur, wake up to the 21st century, and design a team to win something that matters, not another intramural trophy.

Whatever the reason, there is more than enough data over more than two decades to establish unequivocally that what they've been doing just isn't working.

My goodness, if Purdue wins it will be THREE sweet sixteen appearance out of EIGHTEEN bids over the last two seasons. And God forbid the 'Makers spit the bit also, it will be nothing more than Michigan (x2) out of those 18.

And this is the case even though the ENTIRE TOURNAMENT last year was in B10 country,

KenPom ShmenPom.

No apologist can credibly spin that ugliness.
 
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RUJMM78

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Hopefully,Purdue will be the savior for the Big Ten.Texas has gone over five minutes without scoring.Purdue leads 26-14.
 

burtmanjack

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Meanwhile (ND notwithstanding), ACC continues to kick ***.

The computers lie, Remember that next winter.