Terrence Clarke never had a scholarship offer from Duke and never even visited Duke in person. Can't even consider Clarke a true target for Duke without a official offer scholarship. Boston definitely had Duke's attention and an offer. So i would consider that a win, but certainly not Clarke, who had no offer yet.
Banchero commits to duke
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I felt confident with kentucky getting a commitment from Banchero....
My big take away ... our insiders suck!
Sources say podcast claim to have a beat on recruits but never deliver the goods.
My big take away ... our insiders suck!
Sources say podcast claim to have a beat on recruits but never deliver the goods.
It's actually the same story that I am arguing. My point is that Cal went after those guys(or to use your words, didn't "identify things" properly), not that UK ever was a real threat for some of them.
The result is the same, regardless of realistic chances: Cal didn't get the player he wanted.
And never did I make a case that these recruitments were "the same" in terms of realistic chances. I will throw those names out there as players Cal wanted, however, but ultimately failed to land...for one reason or another.
because Clarke was smart enough to realize he wanted to make real NBA money
Really surprised by this. I am at the point that nothing surprises me anymore BUT this came out of left field. I think everyone knows puke cheats and nothing is being done about it. This is the world we are living in now.
As for Banchero, just makes zero sense. Same thing with Zion, more or less a commitment out of left field, and something that changed, seemingly, on a dime. I mean, Duke was like a 4th or 5th option, and Banchero was said to be months off from a decision.
So what ($) happened that would make a recruit commit in a manner like this? You can say "Well, Cal got top recruits all the time!".. but never like this. We got guys that we were strong on for MONTHS.. Kentucky/Cal had a track record for the NBA.
There's more to this recruitment that we won't know about for a few years.. but we will, eventually, know.
So what ($) happened that would make a recruit commit in a manner like this? You can say "Well, Cal got top recruits all the time!".. but never like this. We got guys that we were strong on for MONTHS.. Kentucky/Cal had a track record for the NBA.
There's more to this recruitment that we won't know about for a few years.. but we will, eventually, know.
I wonder if the Bancheros will paint over Zion's growth chart.
The only growth chart that goes east to west and not north to south.
The coaches know more about this stuff and so do people in the industry. There is such a thing as wasting time and the guys mentioned were wasting time, but UK carried more clout on the trail so Cal made time and approach was only can gain something because you weren't in strong position. Assistants didn't spend as much time because their job is to get things lined up/maintain status. It works in UK favor as well--for instance Cal stayed on Bam and Monk and nobody gave them a shot, but word was they were loving UK and that's where Assistants put in more work. Fox as well seeing Kobi Simmons was guy they had targeted as primary guy heading into Spring/Summer.
The losses like Banchero hurt a lot more because they put in time and there was a time they held a comfortable position as a leader. You'd like to think you could get someone to wait until you finalize staff changes, but that's life in recruiting.
Main thing is to quit wasting time with guys the staff tells you not to--like Vernon Carey Jr last year which cost them Stewart and Oscar T who went to WVU. The staff doesn't always agree with everything that takes place either and think the position Cal's creating will help tighten some things up and get recruiting a bit more organized.
Yeah I wonder about this as well.. Banchero may have been holding on to the UK offer with a very light grip then Kenny leaves and that's all it took to drop the offer..
Nate James of Duke has had a pretty good history coaching bigs at Duke for the past 10 years or so. Alot of high draft picks as well. They are gonna get theirs also.
With how good Paolo is and his body maturity already I wouldnt be totally shocked if he started his NBA journey early through the NBDL either.. Unless, hes has more perks attending Duke.. lol..kidding
Prior to yesterday. I don't believe I had ever seen Banchero name talked about on the Duke message board. Because the Duke fans figured they were not even in the running for Banchero.... Just like on here, we don't talk about Chet Holmgren for the same reason, we don't have a chance of getting him. If UK were to just out of the blue get a commitment from Holmgren. I would be convinced that Calipari had paid the kid to come here. You can bet that's the reason Banchero just out of the blue picked Duke.
Cal will always field a great team , overall the recruiting is rock solid , its the head to head battles with Duke over top 5ish type players that they keep beating us on . Like I said , I really dont care as much any more . We ( and everyone else) are mere stop over for the goal of almost all these guys .. go get a check somewhere . Whether its a 60K check or 150K or 3 million , just go get paid .
I like the part where none of our fans ever give Duke credit. You would think that Coach K wasn't the all-time winningest coach in college basketball and had never coached Team USA before.
Is Nike helping them out? Sure, but so does the Duke brand, and I hate them more than any of you do.
If only UK was also a Nike school...oh wait, we are...
Is Nike helping them out? Sure, but so does the Duke brand, and I hate them more than any of you do.
If only UK was also a Nike school...oh wait, we are...
Maybe we will get lucky and get the last laugh, which would be Banchero skipping college for the GL.
I don’t think it's a good time to be going after top 10 kids, most of them are skipping college.
Hopefully Cal keeps going after transfers and builds that way.
It sucks, I wanted Banchero, but Duke/K are just better recruiters, they’re kicking our asses.
I don’t think it's a good time to be going after top 10 kids, most of them are skipping college.
Hopefully Cal keeps going after transfers and builds that way.
It sucks, I wanted Banchero, but Duke/K are just better recruiters, they’re kicking our asses.
From 2007 through 2014, Cal landed 12 top 5 players and went to five Final Fours in an eight year span.
From 2015 through the present, he's landed two and we're in a Final Four drought.
Don't tell me these battles don't matter.
From 2015 through the present, he's landed two and we're in a Final Four drought.
Don't tell me these battles don't matter.
Yeah, the results don't lie. You can't stick with one and done if you are relying on lower tiered freshmen AND your goal is final fours and titles.
Now, if your goal is changing lives and getting kids to the draft, then by all means, continue to recruit the way we are.
Lately, we seem to be one player short and we also always seem to be short on basketball IQ, experience and polish to finish off games.
It’s tough to fix those issues when so many players jet after one year.
Cal squeezes every last drop out of what he has every year through hard work on his part, but enough us enough. Go back to the old school way.
That's kind of how I see it. We really haven't gotten many "out of nowhere" guys. Jamal Murray comes to mind, but that was also kind of a last minute scramble, and being from Canada, I just don't think many other elite schools got in fast enough.
If anyone cared to read Banchero's comments, one of K's selling points that landed him was K spoke on getting guys like Durant and other stars to buy in on the Olympics teams.
So much for the "it's not a big deal he's coaching the olympics" thing. When it comes to using improper benefits, he might as well have handed Banchero a Lambo yesterday.. The guy used an Olympics Gold Medal, from years ago, that almost any college coach could have won given the roster. The thing that many of us thought he'd use as an unfair advantage, he's likely been using for years. A current college coach, in an era of massive collegiate cheating, should have never been allowed that Conflic-of-interest opportunity.
So much for the "it's not a big deal he's coaching the olympics" thing. When it comes to using improper benefits, he might as well have handed Banchero a Lambo yesterday.. The guy used an Olympics Gold Medal, from years ago, that almost any college coach could have won given the roster. The thing that many of us thought he'd use as an unfair advantage, he's likely been using for years. A current college coach, in an era of massive collegiate cheating, should have never been allowed that Conflic-of-interest opportunity.
I don't think that's ever been "a thing." Who has said that?
I believe nearly everyone's in agreement that Coach K's long stint as the Team USA "America's coach" was a huge deal for his career and gave him a recruiting advantage. I've never seen argument over that fact.
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Well it looks like we have some liberals on the board afterall. Are you saying that Coach K used his success to get the Olympic gig than used that to help with recruiting? It's unfair that he got that gig and other coaches didn't? Socialism has a new convert and their name Lineski
BEcause it makes us sound like bitches when we blame every loss on the refs and recruiting miss on cheating, some of us have enough pride to think that's nonsense
Maybe, I guess my issue is the complacency. People are acknowledging it, but it's not a big enough of a deal to raise concerns. Clearly, Duke fans and alum don't think anything of it.
I don't think this is a political thing. and it's in no way the same as "haves and have's not". Sports are supposed to be played on a somewhat even field. If you have a problem with socialism, then you shouldn't be watching ANY professional sports that leverage a salary cap, to stop teams from spending more than the others..
What a weird post lol.
There is no doubt it is a tough blow losing and losing him to Duke, but the way basketball is now I would much rather have the guards and if we get Hardy and another top guard I'm not too worried about it. You all also have to factor in that we could actually have some big kids come back and Toppin could be amazing in a year!
I just don't buy this. KP was an assistant coach. We can say that he may have a bigger part in development than we realize, I can accept that. But it was still Cal's name and his work with the NBA that got kids their millions. What KP leaves and Banchero is just like "man, I'm not sure John Calipari can get it done?" No way.
However, I imagine there was a BIT of a pause when KP left and that was Coach K's in.
You just don't commit 6 months early, to your 4th/5th choice like that, without something happening. It wasn't KP leaving.. it wasn't that Banchero was never considering us.. it was the same thing that happened with Zion, and likely the same thing that happened with Wiggins.
No but he did lose his associate head coach and "big man" extraordinaire. Why are people not connecting this to Payne leaving for NY. This ones gonna sting awhile.
What are we supposed to do about it? Try to revoke his gold medals?
It's not that we're being "complacent", instead it's just something that nothing can be done about. You can't undo the past.
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There is no such thing a level playing field in college sports. It's myth propagated by those who to convince us it still an amateur venture. Unless you're going to try to argue that UK has no advantages over Vandy, Temple, St Joes, etc. It's a silly argument to argue level playing field.
As such, it we take a capitalist view (capitalism and socialism are economic, not political, systems) then K got the Olympic job on merit and as such should be able to leverage that in other areas of his life. That's the way we say our economy works.
Because it acts as a method of deflecting when we can casually dismiss any kid we lose to Duke as simply being a sign of K cheating. It deflects the narrative away from potential inadequacies in UK's recruiting paradigm. We get to take the "high road" while they get the elite kid. I'd rather have the elite kid, wouldn't you?
The sample size is alarming. Six straight years of losing about 70% of the time against Duke for mutually-coveted top 10 recruits.
And we really only landed Knox and EJ for minutes/chemistry issues. I don't really even consider those "wins" over Duke. As far as I'm concerned, we were their 2nd choice.
Boy, I'm glad this isn't college football.. 24 of the top50 would have houses in NC. The recruiting would be way past Saban/Dabo. Duke's roster would legit be an NFL team.
Word coming out today that Paolo committed after meeting with Dukes John Scheyer approximately 1 week ago. If you don't think assistance have a major impact on recruiting your wrong. John has been a major player in Dukes recruitment taking over the lead roll after Capel had left.
That would of been around the same time Chandler announced his commitment out of the blue.
Also a week ago is when KP for UK was a done deal confirmed to the NBA. You can bet Duke used that in their pitch.
Cal's names is the biggest wave with UKs tradition. But recruits now and days know the assistance on these programs as well and probably have more of a relationship and contact with the assistance
That would of been around the same time Chandler announced his commitment out of the blue.
Also a week ago is when KP for UK was a done deal confirmed to the NBA. You can bet Duke used that in their pitch.
Cal's names is the biggest wave with UKs tradition. But recruits now and days know the assistance on these programs as well and probably have more of a relationship and contact with the assistance