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SnohomishRed

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players, who give everything and receive nothing but a chance at a degree, are supposed to suffer a 25% eligibility penalty for changing their minds on a decision made as a 17-year old while multi-millionaire coaches can do what they please when they please?

a kid wanting what's best for him is selfish, but an administrator who leaves for more money isn't?

talking about having not having cake & eating it, too, while playing both sides of this coin sure is something.
Beside the fact you cannot compare grown men and their incomes to a high school kid. Sure you can change your mind and I did not disagree with Gebbia's decision to make a change. What I did disagree with is when he made the change, Frost decided to leave UCF yet he did not leave them high and dry for their big game he did the right thing.

Gebbia left one week before the season started for a losing program where two years later he is still not starting
 

John_J_Rambo

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Beside the fact you cannot compare grown men and their incomes to a high school kid. Sure you can change your mind and I did not disagree with Gebbia's decision to make a change. What I did disagree with is when he made the change, Frost decided to leave UCF yet he did not leave them high and dry for their big game he did the right thing.

Gebbia left one week before the season started for a losing program where two years later he is still not starting

Gebbia, a kid who can't win a QB competition at oregon state, left a 4-8 team high and dry?

Would UCF fans say the same about Frost not leaving them in the lurch 2 years into an existing contract after an undefeated season?

I don't get punishing kids, without whom these grown men would have a fraction of the income, for changing their minds on an emotional decision. It makes no sense in a world where literally every other person in the athletic department is not only unpunished but often lauded for doing the exact same thing.
 
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self·ish
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  1. (of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
    "I joined them for selfish reasons"
    synonyms: egocentric, egotistic, egotistical, egomaniacal, self-centered, self-regarding, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, self-seeking, self-serving, wrapped up in oneself, inward-looking, introverted, self-loving; More

Yep. Pretty much describes 99% of the FBS coaches.
 
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It’s funny. I started this thread with one opinion, but ended with the opposite. Some of you guys are great posters with good insights into things. Keeps me grounded. So thanks for the conversation
 

SnohomishRed

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Gebbia, a kid who can't win a QB competition at oregon state, left a 4-8 team high and dry?

Would UCF fans say the same about Frost not leaving them in the lurch 2 years into an existing contract after an undefeated season?

I don't get punishing kids, without whom these grown men would have a fraction of the income, for changing their minds on an emotional decision. It makes no sense in a world where literally every other person in the athletic department is not only unpunished but often lauded for doing the exact same thing.
Yes gebbia deserted his team, mind you a team with a freshman starting at QB and a walkon as the only backup. Frost handled his leaving with great sacrifice to himself and his staff. No one is saying you cannot switch teams either player or coach, I am saying there is a proper way to do it
 

John_J_Rambo

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Yes gebbia deserted his team, mind you a team with a freshman starting at QB and a walkon as the only backup. Frost handled his leaving with great sacrifice to himself and his staff. No one is saying you cannot switch teams either player or coach, I am saying there is a proper way to do it

next time I hope the player and his family consult you before making a life-impacting decision to be sure he's doing it the 'proper way'
 

oldjar07

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Character flaw? Since when did looking out for yourself become a character flaw? As far as the timing, blame Frost for that. He transferred when he found out he lost the QB competition.

In what world is there a rule that you cannot have your cake and eat it to. Why would you get cake if you weren’t going to be allowed to eat it?
It is when you abandon your teammates a week before the season starts. There's not a damn thing Frost did wrong, he gave both qb's a fair shot and AM won the starting role. It's not like Gebbia couldn't have stuck out the year and transferred afterwards. He would have actually gotten some playing time and a chance to prove himself which is a better position than he's in now.
 
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It is when you abandon your teammates a week before the season starts. There's not a damn thing Frost did wrong, he gave both qb's a fair shot and AM won the starting role. It's not like Gebbia couldn't have stuck out the year and transferred afterwards. He would have actually gotten some playing time and a chance to prove himself which is a better position than he's in now.

Yes it does matter to Gebbia. He saved a year of time not sitting on the bench behind a guy he doesn’t have a chance of beating out.

Why do you think he is in a better spot now? He got to practice with the new offense for a year. He passed up 5 other QBs and is the top back up to a 6th year guy.

At Nebraska, when he left, no one knew that Martinez was going to get hurt.
 

DrAlan_Grant

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Lol, why are we all still hung up on Gebbia deciding to transfer. Question his timing if you will. He deemed it his best option. I didn't like the timing, but if he thought it best for himself, then so be it.

I'm still interested in seeing how things turn out for him, but I won't waste time being angry over a young kid making a life decision.
 

Mr.Scary13

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It is when you abandon your teammates a week before the season starts. There's not a damn thing Frost did wrong, he gave both qb's a fair shot and AM won the starting role. It's not like Gebbia couldn't have stuck out the year and transferred afterwards. He would have actually gotten some playing time and a chance to prove himself which is a better position than he's in now.

Its ancient history so who cares, but if you think it was a fair tryout you're delusional . AM was the starting qb the second he signed with Nebraska.
 

oldjar07

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Yes it does matter to Gebbia. He saved a year of time not sitting on the bench behind a guy he doesn’t have a chance of beating out.

Why do you think he is in a better spot now? He got to practice with the new offense for a year. He passed up 5 other QBs and is the top back up to a 6th year guy.

At Nebraska, when he left, no one knew that Martinez was going to get hurt.
And he's still sitting on the bench there isn't he? He would have actually gotten some game experience here instead of wasting away on the bench for 2 years like he's currently doing.
 
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And he's still sitting on the bench there isn't he? He would have actually gotten some game experience here instead of wasting away on the bench for 2 years like he's currently doing.

No, he would have sat on the bench for Nebraska last year and sat out this year at Oregon St as a transfer. He now has 3 years at Oregon St as opposed to 2.

The fact that you don’t recognize that is a you issue.

You are also using things that you know in hindsight as a reason why he should have stayed. He had no idea Martinez was going to get his knee twisted against Colorado when he left. There was no guarantee he was going to get any playing time when he decided to leave.
 

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Wrt to Gebbia, things have worked out for all parties involved. QB depth was hosed for a awhile, but Frost now has a room of kids that are invested in being productive in his system. McCaffrey and Smothers will battle for the job in the future, Bunch and Vedral provide competent depth. Gebbia didn't cover himself in glory in terms of handling it (team first guy and then a 180 shortly thereafter), but it's probably not fair to expect an 18-19 year old kid to handle such a thing without flaw.
Gebbia just wanted to play and in his rush to get out the door, he chose (defaulted to?) Oregon State. It is possible that if he'd stuck around a year and put in some solid play when needed that he could have landed at a place that might see a bowl game during his years of eligibility.
 

HUSKERFAN66

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players should have the exact same flexibility as coaches.

why penalize a kid for wanting to do what he thinks is best for himself when nobody else in the athletic department is subject to the same rules?
Difference is coaches have a buyout where the institution gets paid damages. With players leaving, nothing
 

John_J_Rambo

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Just saying it's probably not an apples to apples comparison

coaches get lucrative contracts, are allowed to come and go as they please

players get zilch, are subject to enough red tape to reach the moon & back

it's not apples to apples to begin with, compadre
 

HUSKERFAN66

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coaches get lucrative contracts, are allowed to come and go as they please

players get zilch, are subject to enough red tape to reach the moon & back

it's not apples to apples to begin with, compadre
OMG. Players get zilch. I've heard it all.

Is this indicative of your reporting at the rag?
 

HUSKERFAN66

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did I not say 'monetarily speaking'?

or is your reading comprehension indicative of the dead-end career you were thrust into unwittingly?
My reading comprehension is fine. That's why I never read the daily Nebraskan in my days at unl. Chose to actually read a newspaper.

Going back to your original point, you said players should have the same flexibility as the coach.

A player has actually more flexibility because, most transfer after year 1 or 2 (I'm guessing) unless a grad transfer, after they figure out it's not the right fit or realizing they're getting passed by. They can transfer.

Coaches in year 1-2 probably have a pretty hefty buyout that makes leaving unattractive to their potential new gig.

That's the point I was making.

As far as$$, college athletes on scholarship have a pretty sweet deal compared to the rank and file Joe blow student. They're not getting zilch and when they leave sometime it hurts the university, sometimes it is better to sever the ties.

College athletes are never going to get paid what coaches do. Thanks Mr obvious.
 

John_J_Rambo

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My reading comprehension is fine. That's why I never read the daily Nebraskan in my days at unl. Chose to actually read a newspaper.

Going back to your original point, you said players should have the same flexibility as the coach.

A player has actually more flexibility because, most transfer after year 1 or 2 (I'm guessing) unless a grad transfer, after they figure out it's not the right fit or realizing they're getting passed by. They can transfer.

Coaches in year 1-2 probably have a pretty hefty buyout that makes leaving unattractive to their potential new gig.

That's the point I was making.

As far as$$, college athletes on scholarship have a pretty sweet deal compared to the rank and file Joe blow student. They're not getting zilch and when they leave sometime it hurts the university, sometimes it is better to sever the ties.

College athletes are never going to get paid what coaches do. Thanks Mr obvious.

Coaches can coach for as long as they want or as long as a program will have them. Football players have 4 years of collegiate eligibility.

Can you please enlighten us all on coaches who weren't pursued because the buyout was too hefty? Because, in football, I don't recall ever once hearing this as an excuse not to coax a guy out of a contract into a situation that's at bare minimum better for his bank account, if not a better place to coach on the whole.

Athletes are punished by being forced to forfeit 25% of their eligibility, which they can never recover, if they do the unthinkable and choose to transfer.

As for cash, you brought up buyouts, not me. I also have never heard of a school going bankrupt for firing coaches/having them leave before their term is up. Nor have I heard of material damages suffered due to a player leaving (LMAO).

If your point is really that players have more flexibility than coaches/admins, it's a terrible one. It's cute you tried, though. Thanks for playing.
 

HUSKERFAN66

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Coaches can coach for as long as they want or as long as a program will have them. Football players have 4 years of collegiate eligibility.

Can you please enlighten us all on coaches who weren't pursued because the buyout was too hefty? Because, in football, I don't recall ever once hearing this as an excuse not to coax a guy out of a contract into a situation that's at bare minimum better for his bank account, if not a better place to coach on the whole.

Athletes are punished by being forced to forfeit 25% of their eligibility, which they can never recover, if they do the unthinkable and choose to transfer.

As for cash, you brought up buyouts, not me. I also have never heard of a school going bankrupt for firing coaches/having them leave before their term is up. Nor have I heard of material damages suffered due to a player leaving (LMAO).

If your point is really that players have more flexibility than coaches/admins, it's a terrible one. It's cute you tried, though. Thanks for playing.
So aren't there players that have gotten immediate eligibility? And yes there's been coaches passed over due to lofty buy-outs. Plus if the coach does get poached, the school gets a nice payday to put towards the salary of the new coach.

Ok. I don't have the time to continue this plus my thumb is getting tired of typing on my phone. we're staying from the original points anyway

I accept your explanation but also chose to not agree with it. And I don't think anything I say will make a difference. Let's agree to disagree. Ok compadre?
 

bigboxes

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Yep. Pretty much describes 99% of the FBS coaches.

Quiet. Let the jilted speak.
 

NorthwoodHusker

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Lol, why are we all still hung up on Gebbia deciding to transfer. Question his timing if you will. He deemed it his best option. I didn't like the timing, but if he thought it best for himself, then so be it.

I'm still interested in seeing how things turn out for him, but I won't waste time being angry over a young kid making a life decision.
You need to quit being rational, they're just waiting for rational....
 

HuskerO58

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Yes gebbia deserted his team, mind you a team with a freshman starting at QB and a walkon as the only backup. Frost handled his leaving with great sacrifice to himself and his staff. No one is saying you cannot switch teams either player or coach, I am saying there is a proper way to do it
When would have been a proper time for Gebbia to announce his transferring? Is 1 month good? 2 months?
 

HUSKERFAN66

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Coaches can coach for as long as they want or as long as a program will have them. Football players have 4 years of collegiate eligibility.

Can you please enlighten us all on coaches who weren't pursued because the buyout was too hefty? Because, in football, I don't recall ever once hearing this as an excuse not to coax a guy out of a contract into a situation that's at bare minimum better for his bank account, if not a better place to coach on the whole.

Athletes are punished by being forced to forfeit 25% of their eligibility, which they can never recover, if they do the unthinkable and choose to transfer.

As for cash, you brought up buyouts, not me. I also have never heard of a school going bankrupt for firing coaches/having them leave before their term is up. Nor have I heard of material damages suffered due to a player leaving (LMAO).

If your point is really that players have more flexibility than coaches/admins, it's a terrible one. It's cute you tried, though. Thanks for playing.
Matt Campbell @ Iowa State