They should give every team a set number of transfers that are immediately eligible. For example, say everyone gets 2 transfers that are immediately eligible, and the rest have to sit out a year. That would be the most fair to me.
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They should give every team a set number of transfers that are immediately eligible. For example, say everyone gets 2 transfers that are immediately eligible, and the rest have to sit out a year. That would be the most fair to me.
Why? Are you also going to put a limit on two big 10 coaches who can take a new job or 8FBS coaches I can take a new job?
Players need to understand that they aren't going to make a living in the NFL....Even the best college qbs...those that are 6'5 220, rarely play a snap in the NFL and are done after 3 years. A 250k practice squad salary sounds great but 40-45% of that is gone in a split second due to agent and taxes. That leaves 165k to spend on a new house in California or Florida, or another major urban area, that might get you a garage....and you don't get a check from January to August...so you have to live off of your season pay. Throw in the fact that you on average only get to do this for three years and you are often 28, out of work, and broke. To leave a program that has just signed the CF coach of the year to go to one of the doormats of college football just in the off chance that your 180 pound frame might make an NFL roster is idiotic. You skip the entire process of being a part of a historically special program, with a coach that focuses on unity and common purpose just to be guaranteed to be broke in 8 years. The greatest lie of all is that the NFL is a career path. Its like winning the lottery. Much better off playing in a community that loves you, going to school that offers what you want, winning and using your connections to build a life in that town.
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Fantasy games are fun aren’t they? None of those things happened. I could easily say that Tristan is going to go to Oregon State and be a two-year starter, I mean if we’re playing what if’s and all
I did not say he was being selfish. And I have already conceded, after Tuco’s interventions, that Gebbia is a bad choice for making my point.
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Rereading some of your posts, and I misinterpreted what you were saying. My bad.
Ok, have you seen Gebbias parents house?
If it wasnt Gebbia, I could see and mostly agree with you, but it is Gebbia, monies wont be a problem going forwards, nor a high paying job.
He, like all qbs just wants to play in a system he can manage.
even worse...so he just passed up an opportunity to learn from arguably the best qb coach in the nation, with a head coach that was a Qb, using a system that was flexible enough to turn mckenzie milton in an All-american, and he skipped all this for Oregon state. Like I would understand if he jumped to Stanford or UCLA, or USC, or even Cal...but damn...really bad decision. He went to a program that can't possibly win anything to learn from a staff that hasn't produced anything.
I agree almost fully, except for one huge and monstrous caveat, system.
There's no one on board more than me about SF and Verdu when it comes to qbs, but Tom Brady would ride the bench behind AM in this system.
Gebbia is a smallish qb who can move just fine. If he was the backup we win 6 games last year...make a bowl game and are way farther ahead this season. Gebbia left because he was butthurt and thought he was better. Being butthurt is not the best time or basis for a decision. AM is one of the best qbs in the country when healthy but his health was suspect at times last year.
Im not convinced we beat Colorado with Gebbia at all, but even so he did what was best for him. It’s selfish to ask him to ride the pine for the rest of his career so we could have made the Toilet Bowl last year. Move on. We’re better off without him now anyway. There’s a decent chance he’d be 4th on the depth chart if he was here now.
There were a handful of players who actually thought TG outplayed AM last year too. I'm not saying they were right as coaches obviously know more AND I'm sure TG was better liked, at least at the time, by more players (which would make sense as more would know TG than AM) which maybe influenced their decision, but I also don't believe AM blew TG away either. I'm guessing it was pretty close.
If he was good he wouldn't be...the issue is he made a decision because he thought he was good but in actuality he was blessed with the best opportunity to grow as a person and qb and he skipped out because of ego. Going to OSU to play for a new coach without any experience is not better than being a dependable backup behind a qb with an injury history. I don't care what he does but people thinking it is a "good" decision, or "best" for him are ignoring the human tendency to react to pain and ego with the wrong decision.
I get the Verduzco love to a point but outside of Milton and Martinez, who are these other QBs that he has produced that would qualify him as the best QB coach in the country?
I get it, he’s a cool cat, has cool hair and glasses and has written a thesis on QB play, but he Has been coaching football since the 1970’s and I don’t know that I know of one QB that he produced.
This isn’t a slam on him, I am just curious what qualifications he has to be called arguably the best QB coach in the nation.
I get it, he’s a cool cat, has cool hair and glasses and has written a thesis on QB play, but he Has been coaching football since the 1970’s and I don’t know that I know of one QB that he produced.
This isn’t a slam on him, I am just curious what qualifications he has to be called arguably the best QB coach in the nation.
What makes you the judge on what is a good decision for another individual? Get over yourself a little bit.
He made a choice, like every other choice we make, it has consequences. He will either have good consequences or bad consequences. But they are his, not yours.
Apart from your declaration that Gebbia sucks, and there is no possible way for him to make it to the league, how is being a career backup going to further his goal of playing in the nfl if he can’t showcase his ability? At least at Oregon State, should he start, people will actually see him play. How is actual playing time worse than riding the bench your entire college career?
Has coached 4 QBs who have played in the league and his QBs at Northern Iowa earned 13 all-conference lists. Who knows if he’s the best in the nation. But his record suggest he’s pretty damn good. I suspect he was one of the first calls Frost made when he got the job at UCF.
https://spacecoastdaily.com/2015/12...ars-of-experience-and-worked-with-bill-walsh/
I cant find the story, but in it, in fcs, he had a top five qb every time, with two or three the best.
Now, just like college qbs become nflers, so do qb coaches. In other words, it wasnt him making a little out of not much, but him getting the most out of what he had to work with. It hasnt changed.
Look up his time at N iowa
You act like he is some mercenary. He was a Nebraska Cornhusker for 500 days. He committed himself to be the leader of the team as he competed to be the starting qb at the university of Nebraska. He was gifted with multiple great coaches and a scholarship offer to one of the best programs in the nation. He was made #2 as a RSH freshman behind a qb with a history of season ending injuries. He didn't wait a month or a year after the decision, he literally begin the process of transfer minutes after the decision. Now if he had a guarantee of a career in the NFL and he went to a program that produces NFL qbs it might make sense. He skipped out on his team, the same team he could have been the leader of, in favor of Oregon State. He skipped out on training with coach Frost and Coach V..for Oregon State. Even if he sat I bet he would have better chance at making an NFL team having V. work on his mechanics and Scott work with him on how to be a teammate. Making the NFL as a QB comes down to combine, tryouts...not playing for Oregon State.
History of season ending injuries for AM? What history? He had an injury that ended his junior year and prevented him from playing as a senior. Same injury. What other season was ended by injuries?
And yeah, apart from Matt Cassell, name me one QB that made it to the league without ever starting in college? I’m sure if he stayed at Nebraska for his career the NFL would be hounding him by his senior year, ready to bring him in. But since OSU sucks, I’ll bet the NFL doesn’t even know they have a team and players. He may as well be a ghost.
Frost strung him along, seriously? Gebbia is the one who left his teammates out to dry by transferring a week before the season.
The transfer thing is a mess on both sides. But it hurts the schools the most. Think what is happening this year and all the waivers being granted then think what will happen in the future.
- Small schools will serve as minor leagues for the larger schools. A kid who has proven himself at a smaller school even though not highly ranked in HS can now pick where he wants to go
- G5 schools will lose good QB's to P5 schools
- Bad P5 schools will lose QB's to good ones
- The elite schools have their pick of QB's every year
For one Bruce Mathison backed up Quinn, Gill, Turner and Mason I believe during his time at NU. He played for 4 years in the NFL and started for Buffalo before Jim Kelley I think. As a Husker fan, yous should have known that one.
Nebraska also had a backup linebacker that ended up being a starter for several years in the NFL. I don't disagree with your argument though. Gebbia did what he probably needed to do. He wasn't a great fit for Frost's offense and his opportunities appeared to be limited with AM around. Time will tell if he made the right choice.
since when has the NCAA cared about any of those bullet points?
promoting balance? hilarious
Totally agree. It should be a mandatory 1 year off. This immediate eligible crap is flat out wrong.
Embarrassed... how did I forget Mathison?For one Bruce Mathison backed up Quinn, Gill, Turner and Mason I believe during his time at NU. He played for 4 years in the NFL and started for Buffalo before Jim Kelley I think. As a Husker fan, yous should have known that one.
At the same time, didn’t he start a few games for us? I remember him playing... but maybe not starting...
So QBs like Gebbia and Buechelle who leave larger schools and go to smaller schools don’t help balance the power?
SMU is better off and Buechelle is better off
Outside of the two QBs that Oregon picked up from FCS, who are the transfers going from small schools to big? I see more going from big to small.
If a kid wants to improve his position, more power to him.
The elite programs have their pick of QBs already. Nothing changes.
yes, we are all forced to make extremely important life decisions at 17 and then live with them for 4-5 years unless we want to face massive punishment for the crime of changing our minds
all while coaches/assistants/administrators are paid unfathomable amounts and have the freedom to bounce to and fro at their leisure
not at all hypocritical.
not. at. all.
I do believe it is fair for a kid to be able to transfer if there is a coaching change ie Gebbia. But you should not have your cake and eat it too, he should have transferred immediately his timing of one week before the season shows a character flaw. Good for Gebbia bad for the team- mates
This thing is just starting to roll if a kid can transfer without sitting a year which is the direction things are going then yes I believe the flood doors open and I think that is bad.
Character flaw? Since when did looking out for yourself become a character flaw? As far as the timing, blame Frost for that. He transferred when he found out he lost the QB competition.
In what world is there a rule that you cannot have your cake and eat it to. Why would you get cake if you weren’t going to be allowed to eat it?
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players, who give everything and receive nothing but a chance at a degree, are supposed to suffer a 25% eligibility penalty for changing their minds on a decision made as a 17-year old while multi-millionaire coaches can do what they please when they please?
a kid wanting what's best for him is selfish, but an administrator who leaves for more money isn't?
talking about having not having cake & eating it, too, while playing both sides of this coin sure is something.
It seems to me that the NCAA could take away the academic year in residence requirement and just grant initial eligibility to all transfers. Transfers would still have to meet all the other requirements and still must meet progress-toward-degree benchmarks and still are on the five year clock. My thought is that the team being transferred to would not only need to have room under the current 85 scholarship limit, the current recruiting year 25 scholarship limit, but also must have room under the annual 25 scholarship limit for the year that the transfer’s eligibility clock started. So for instance, if a player’s eligibility clock starts in 2019, whether he transfers this year, next year or in 4 years, the only teams he could transfer to would have to have had room on there 2019 25 scholarship limit class. It would be like he committed to that school’s class initially in 2019, except he wouldn’t have to count retroactively towards the 2019 85 scholarship but rather the 85 scholarship limit at the time of the transfer. This might allow for movement of players, but also limit teams who actively process players to make room for transfers. Teams would have to decide if they want to take a full 25 scholarship class or leave a spot or 2 for potential future transfers for that class.