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[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

Just read that Oregon State has named their starting QB for the year and it isn’t Tristan Gebbia. He came in second.... again.... to a fifth year senior juco transfer.

Unless a dude has bone fide NFL talent (which Gebbia doesn’t) I don’t get this transfer game that these modern college QB’s engage in. Look at Tate Martell at Miami. Second string. I get that they want to play, but there is a good chance that if you are second string at one school you will be second string at your next one too. I know that there are exceptions to that, but that is my subjective impression.

Anyone on here still want to argue that Gebbia was better than AMart but Frost chose “his guy” over Gebbia?

The kid was not as good as AMart. Period. End of discussion.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

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Anyone on here still want to argue that Gebbia was better than AMart but Frost chose “his guy” over Gebbia, and stringing Gebbia along just to keep him around? Lol.

The kid was not as good as AMart. Period. End of discussion.

I'm 100% sure the QB competition was more or less fake, in order to keep Gebbia around as a backup.

Like you said, "The kid was not as good as AMart." So there was no reason to keep the competition going for as long as they did, except to keep the kid from transferring.

Most schools use Semester based systems, and the transfer window to those schools had already closed, so Frost thought his "starter announcement" timing was right, when it wasn't.

So he screwed that one up because of a little known transfer rule that schools based on the Quarters system use, which allowed a few more days for Gebbia to make the transfer.

 

[Nebraska Fan]

I'm 100% sure the QB competition was more or less fake, in order to keep Gebbia around as a backup.

Like you said, "The kid was not as good as AMart." So there was no reason to keep the competition going for as long as they did, except to keep the kid from transferring.

Most schools use Semester based systems, and the transfer window to those schools had already closed, so Frost thought his "starter announcement" timing was right, when it wasn't.

So he screwed that one up because of a little known transfer rule that schools based on the Quarters system use, which allowed a few more days for Gebbia to make the transfer.

I kinda don't buy in on that. Frost was after Martinez when he had Milton and when he switched to Nebraska he kept after Martinez not really knowing Gebbia.

I don't think quarters or semesters was an issue because Gebbia was gonna have to sit a year in any case.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

I kinda don't buy in on that. Frost was after Martinez when he had Milton and when he switched to Nebraska he kept after Martinez not really knowing Gebbia.

I don't think quarters or semesters was an issue because Gebbia was gonna have to sit a year in any case.

Does it matter when Frost was in on Martinez? If anything, it says Frost really wanted him and supports the 'my guy' position.

We all know Adrian is better than Tristan, the part I am talking about is the dumb QB battle that Frost messed up.

Also, the issue was not about sitting for a year. The quarters system technicality actually allowed the transfer to take place then. And so we didn't have him as a backup. We were stuck with Bunch.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

Does it matter when Frost was in on Martinez? If anything, it says Frost really wanted him and supports the 'my guy' position.

We all know Adrian is better than Tristan, the part I am talking about is the dumb QB battle that Frost messed up.

Also, the issue was not about sitting for a year. The quarters system technicality actually allowed the transfer to take place then. And so we didn't have him as a backup. We were stuck with Fyfe.

Yeah, thinking on this a little more I would nuance my statement in the OP. I think he did string Gebbia along hoping to keep him. My comments were mainly aimed at a few on here who claimed Gebbia actually outperformed AMart in Fall camp, but the competition was fake because Frost wanted “his guy”. There were even some rumors floated by some on here that there were some pissed off players because they “knew” Gebbia was better and were angry at Frost’s “unfair favoritism”.

 

[jedimasterjed]

Does it matter when Frost was in on Martinez? If anything, it says Frost really wanted him and supports the 'my guy' position.

We all know Adrian is better than Tristan, the part I am talking about is the dumb QB battle that Frost messed up.

Also, the issue was not about sitting for a year. The quarters system technicality actually allowed the transfer to take place then. And so we didn't have him as a backup. We were stuck with Fyfe.

I dont remember Fyfe playing last year.

 

[NorthWillRiseAgain]

It’s still a better situation for him in theory. He’s seated(for now) to be next year. Here, he lost out to a true freshman who fit the system. I’m failing to see how he didn’t better himself.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

I dont remember Fyfe playing last year.

Ha. Good catch. I am sure he meant Bunch.

Same result though.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

I dont remember Fyfe playing last year.

yeah, my bad.. I meant Bunch.

 

[HuskerOH_rivals315145]

Just read that Oregon State has named their starting QB for the year and it isn’t Tristan Gebbia. He came in second.... again.... to a fifth year senior juco transfer.

Unless a dude has bone fide NFL talent (which Gebbia doesn’t) I don’t get this transfer game that these modern college QB’s engage in. Look at Tate Martell at Miami. Second string. I get that they want to play, but there is a good chance that if you are second string at one school you will be second string at your next one too. I know that there are exceptions to that, but that is my subjective impression.

Anyone on here still want to argue that Gebbia was better than AMart but Frost chose “his guy” over Gebbia, and stringing Gebbia along just to keep him around? Lol.

The kid was not as good as AMart. Period. End of discussion.

I saw last night on the ESPN scroll that the Soph QB from Washington is transferring. Did not win starting job...

 

[WC_'sker]

Has Gebbia entered the transfer portal?

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

@Pennsyhusker you forgot to mention that the QB who won the competition is also the returning starter. He received a 6th year because he has been injured every year. I would say the odds of Gebbia playing this year are at least decent.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

@Pennsyhusker you forgot to mention that the QB who won the competition is also the returning starter. He received a 6th year because he has been injured every year. I would say the odds of Gebbia playing this year are at least decent.

I did forget to add that detail in my description. I am glad you added this fact because I am not trying to say that Gebbia sucks. In fact, I think he is probably a solid QB. And I agree there is a decent chance he plays this year. However, there was also a more than decent chance that he would have played here last year too.

I guess the deeper point I am trying to make is that fans, and the player himself, often buy into the hype machine and develop an inflated sense of a player’s talent. Gebbia has now lost out to a true freshman and a sixth year journeyman QB who nobody thinks is super talented. It makes me wonder about these QB’s transferring based upon an inflated sense of their own talent.

I would also add that if Gebbia was flashing signs of being something “special” and clearly, therefore the “QB of the future” for Oregon State, that they would probably say so and probably say as well that Gebbia would play this year for sure in certain situations. But they said nothing of the sort. They just gave a polite nod in his direction saying that he made the competition interesting.

 

[wannabee8]

Gebbia is in line to start next year then. If he had stayed here the only reason he plays is if A-Mart gets hurt, he would never win the job back. He did exactly the right thing for himself and people need to let it go and move on.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I did forget to add that detail in my description. I am glad you added this fact because I am not trying to say that Gebbia sucks. In fact, I think he is probably a solid QB. And I agree there is a decent chance he plays this year. However, there was also a more than decent chance that he would have played here last year too.

I guess the deeper point I am trying to make is that fans, and the player himself, often buy into the hype machine and develop an inflated sense of a player’s talent. Gebbia has now lost out to a true freshman and a sixth year journeyman QB who nobody thinks is super talented. It makes me wonder about these QB’s transferring based upon an inflated sense of their own talent.

I am not sure he transferred from Nebraska based on an inflated sense of his own talent. I believe he transferred because he lost a QB competition to another player in the same class. He was only going to play at Nebraska if Martinez was injured. By transferring he is now in position to be a 2 year starter, possibly more if Luton stays close to form and gets injured again.

I tried to make this point last year, when Gebbia left, but some apparently don’t see it this way, and that is fine. But 98% of college football players aren’t going to the NFL and only get 4 years to play this game. Some want to actually play in games and not just be a practice player and get a few snaps in mop up duty. Sure, some of it is ego, because they think they can play, but many, many of these players transfer simply for the opportunity to play.

People move jobs all the time because they lose out on a promotion or the person who is their direct supervisor is new and isn’t going anywhere for a while. Those situations are when a person has 20, 30, 40 years to wait it out or whatever and still reach full potential. Imagine if you only had 4 years time to reach that level.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

Gebbia is in line to start next year then. If he had stayed here the only reason he plays is if A-Mart gets hurt, he would never win the job back. He did exactly the right thing for himself and people need to let it go and move on.

He might start next year or he might not, depending on who they recruit, and/or potential transfers.

And you say we should let this go and move on. You move on to another thread if you don’t like this one. The issue in modern college football of hotshot, overhyped college QB’s transferring if they are not named a starter is a legit issue. The era of the Berringer type QB is over. There are a few like him still around, but the transfer thing is the new trend. Legit topic and issue.

I have nothing personal against Gebbia and I have no idea if this was a good move for him or not. Nor do I much care. Not my life. I bring him up merely as a case in point for the issue of transfers.

Tuco contributed to this thread with a pertinent fact, even though I suspect he has some issues with my OP. If you don’t like the topic then move on

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

I am not sure he transferred from Nebraska based on an inflated sense of his own talent. I believe he transferred because he lost a QB competition to another player in the same class. He was only going to play at Nebraska if Martinez was injured. By transferring he is now in position to be a 2 year starter, possibly more if Luton stays close to form and gets injured again.

I tried to make this point last year, when Gebbia left, but some apparently don’t see it this way, and that is fine. But 98% of college football players aren’t going to the NFL and only get 4 years to play this game. Some want to actually play in games and not just be a practice player and get a few snaps in mop up duty. Sure, some of it is ego, because they think they can play, but many, many of these players transfer simply for the opportunity to play.

People move jobs all the time because they lose out on a promotion or the person who is their direct supervisor is new and isn’t going anywhere for a while. Those situations are when a person has 20, 30, 40 years to wait it out or whatever and still reach full potential. Imagine if you only had 4 years time to reach that level.

Good points Tuco. So maybe Gebbia isn’t the best example for the issue I am trying to get at. The issue of QB transfer mania. I think, on the whole, it is a negative phenomenon.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Good points Tuco. So maybe Gebbia isn’t the best example for the issue I am trying to get at. The issue of QB transfer mania. I think, on the whole, it is a negative phenomenon.

It’s all over the place in every sport. The ncaa is aiding the cause because they continue to make rules that makes transferring easier and easier. They don’t evenly enforce the rule to sit out a year at all anymore. Look at our own back QB Vedral or Martell. As I said some people want an opportunity to maximize their 4 years. If the rules allow, I say more power to them.

 

[timnsun]

Does it matter when Frost was in on Martinez? If anything, it says Frost really wanted him and supports the 'my guy' position.

We all know Adrian is better than Tristan, the part I am talking about is the dumb QB battle that Frost messed up.

Also, the issue was not about sitting for a year. The quarters system technicality actually allowed the transfer to take place then. And so we didn't have him as a backup. We were stuck with Bunch.

I am curious to know how did Scott Frost mess up the QB battle? What could he have done differently that would have changed the end result, keeping Gebbia in the fold?

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

I am curious to know how did Scott Frost mess up the QB battle? What could he have done differently that would have changed the end result, keeping Gebbia in the fold?

Waiting even longer to make your starter announcement, which would have screwed Gebbia even worse?

Naming a starting QB is sorta kinda like waking up one day and realizing the girl you're dating isn't the one....As soon as YOU know, you have to tell HER, otherwise you're stringing them along and playing with their emotions, and that ain't right, and there is no great time to do it.

 

[inWV]

Frost wasn’t under a dictate to name a starter and it could be looked at that he gave Gebbia every chance to compete for the job. I’m sure Frost wanted TG around for a year for depth, but Tristan saw a loophole with the Beavers. And there probably were pro-Gebbia guys on the team, but they probably look at things differently now.
Gebbia will be a QB who eventually plays at a loser program. AMart may end up as a once in a generation talent, so the right kid left.

 

[wannabee8]

He might start next year or he might not, depending on who they recruit, and/or potential transfers.

And you say we should let this go and move on. You move on to another thread if you don’t like this one. The issue in modern college football of hotshot, overhyped college QB’s transferring if they are not named a starter is a legit issue. The era of the Berringer type QB is over. There are a few like him still around, but the transfer thing is the new trend. Legit topic and issue.

I have nothing personal against Gebbia and I have no idea if this was a good move for him or not. Nor do I much care. Not my life. I bring him up merely as a case in point for the issue of transfers.

Tuco contributed to this thread with a pertinent fact, even though I suspect he has some issues with my OP. If you don’t like the topic then move on

I respect you Pennsy, I just disagree with your stance here. If anybody thinks it was selfish of Gebbia to move on, look at it from this point of view: Is it also not selfish of us to expect a kid to be a career backup, for a coach he didn’t come here to play for, in a system he’s not suited to play in?

 

[cornhustler]

loophole with the Beavers

enough said

 

[1 nu rugby_rivals]

hmm, seemed i read that Jebbs wasn't starting like a week ago, around the same time Miami chatter was 18 looking at trying wide out. I remember thinking here we go again, start the merry go round!

 

[Sinomatic]

I still wonder if Gebbia would have been the difference between for one more win last year though.

 

[wannabee8]

I still wonder if Gebbia would have been the difference between for one more win last year though.

We probably beat Troy, but we still miss a bowl game in a season of growing pains so I wouldn’t lose sleep over it.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Maybe I am old fashioned but this me,me,me culture does not end up helping these kids. College should be about learning life skills that will make you a better person, not a lesson about how to cut and run when you do not get your way.

 

[SnohomishRed]

I still wonder if Gebbia would have been the difference between for one more win last year though.

I think our odds in the Cu game would have been good and we win Troy. So 6-6 with a bowl game with the additional bowl game prep and the benefit to recruiting kinda of a big deal

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

I am curious to know how did Scott Frost mess up the QB battle? What could he have done differently that would have changed the end result, keeping Gebbia in the fold?

Agree, even though the coach didn’t pick a starter pretty much the players knew who was going to start.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

You have a sixth year previous starter, who must play fairly well, since there obviously must have been others to compete against him, and throw in a transfer over him?
QB controversy has always exist, and rarely pan out well, but obviously can.

If the osu coach loses a team he's already struggling to hold onto, this would be one of those scenarios.
That doesnt take anything away from Gebbia, I dont know how good this Luton is.
In 8 games, he had a 62.5 comp rate ,and went 10tds to 4 ints.

All I'm saying is, I wouldnt judge Gebbias potential yet, but in his eyes, he's on a better track of at least having a greater potential to prove it where he's currently at

 

[John_J_Rambo]

gebbia sucks

o'brien sucks

who cares

 

[King Kong]

It’s all over the place in every sport. The NCAA is aiding the cause because they continue to make rules that make transferring easier and easier. They don’t evenly enforce the rule to sit out a year at all anymore. Look at our own back QB Vedral or Martell. As I said some people want an opportunity to maximize their 4 years. If the rules allow, I say more power to them.

The Portal is beginning to turn into a real issue. As usual, the NCAA doesn't know what it is doing and is making calls on eligibility very inconsistently. They show favorites.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

The Portal is beginning to turn into a real issue. As usual, the NCAA doesn't know what it is doing and is making calls on eligibility very inconsistently. They show favorites.

I think every athlete should get the one time transfer waiver without penalty of sitting out a year. If they want to transfer a second time then there’s a penalty of the one-year sit out. The number of transfers doesn’t really bother me all that much. But there needs to be a limit on how many times he can transfer

 

[John_J_Rambo]

actual good quarterbacks won't be transferring

"good" quarterbacks will collect visor after visor

in the end, nobody's affected but the "good" player who can't beat anyone out on the field when the rubber hits the road.

ohio going to go 9-3 w their coveted transfer qb

big whoop

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

QBs are leaders, each position group should have its own leaders, but not all of them, and thats normal, not so at qb.
Fit is also much more drastic, or, more important at qb than any other position.

So, knowing this, when I see people running down qbs decisions to transfer, my tendency is to look at the poster more than the post itself.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

I think every athlete should get the one time transfer waiver without penalty of sitting out a year. If they want to transfer a second time then there’s a penalty of the one-year sit out. The number of transfers doesn’t really bother me all that much. But there needs to be a limit on how many times he can transfer

players should have the exact same flexibility as coaches.

why penalize a kid for wanting to do what he thinks is best for himself when nobody else in the athletic department is subject to the same rules?

 

[inWV]

I think every athlete should get the one time transfer waiver without penalty of sitting out a year. If they want to transfer a second time then there’s a penalty of the one-year sit out. The number of transfers doesn’t really bother me all that much. But there needs to be a limit on how many times he can transfer

Would think coaches would be thumbs down on that, as it effectively becomes a second type of recruiting cycle. As in, kid blows up a bit in a team that sucks and sees an opportunity to go to a more competitive or winning program. Roster management could become a nightmare. Your coach is on the hot seat? A coach that gets fired? Have a friend on a team with a roster need that fits you? Hit the transfer button. What about transferring within conference?
After a kid's freshman year, I would think that kid has a decent idea of whether they can make a depth chart. That becomes even clearer after two years. Transfer plus sit would give that kid 2-3 years to contribute. That is essentially no change if they were to stay at the original school.
I think kids should be encourage to move on if they find where they are isn't a good fit. That should be done early and I think Frost is already employing that approach.

 

[TheBeav815]

@Pennsyhusker you forgot to mention that the QB who won the competition is also the returning starter. He received a 6th year because he has been injured every year. I would say the odds of Gebbia playing this year are at least decent.

Yeah it's a little early to close the book on Gebbia. He may yet turn out to be a solid college QB.

Dunno what you guys want from the kid, he committed to NU, peer recruited for NU, then the coach and system he committed to are gone but he still worked his *** off in the film room by all accounts, did well in the QB competition but just isn't as gifted an athlete as Martinez to fit Frost's system as a true dual threat.

So he saw that he wasn't the type they want for that offense and made a business decision to take a crack at starting somewhere rather than being buried for 4 years at NU. I'd have done the same.

TBH him leaving may have been the best thing for NU because it avoided any and all QB controversy. No divided loyalties on the team or in the fanbase, it was AM and then the rest backups who are clearly much worse. Zero questions about who the starter should be or why.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

I have a feeling the just win now coaches will gain most, as their team suffers more with this scenario.
But realistically, many arent moving up, they are moving down, as more often than not, its not talent thats the problem.
I would guess calls are being made early on between those in the know, before offers go out, just like normal.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Would think coaches would be thumbs down on that, as it effectively becomes a second type of recruiting cycle. As in, kid blows up a bit in a team that sucks and sees an opportunity to go to a more competitive or winning program. Roster management could become a nightmare. Your coach is on the hot seat? A coach that gets fired? Have a friend on a team with a roster need that fits you? Hit the transfer button. What about transferring within conference?
After a kid's freshman year, I would think that kid has a decent idea of whether they can make a depth chart. That becomes even clearer after two years. Transfer plus sit would give that kid 2-3 years to contribute. That is essentially no change if they were to stay at the original school.
I think kids should be encourage to move on if they find where they are isn't a good fit. That should be done early and I think Frost is already employing that approach.

the coaches can cope with 1 quick look at their bank accounts