Am I the only one who doesn't care that much that Kansas passed us? I mean, don't they have 100 plus more losses than we do, too? Even Dean Smith, when UNC briefly passed us in the early 90s, said that winning percentage was a bigger deal.
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Not the best effort, you might want to see if you put a hook on the line. To answer your question, yes I care.
to start a thread and compose all the reasons why fans should not be upset about it doesn't really come off as not caring
just add it to the list of things we aren't supposed to care about as UK fans while Cal is coach here
just add it to the list of things we aren't supposed to care about as UK fans while Cal is coach here
Kentucky should hold that title. Most everybody cares.
But don't we? Three more wins and 100 more losses. How is that something to brag about?
Nobody pays attention to that and never will. It’s the win total that matters. We know. You know. Nobody is ever gonna brag about the best winning percentage of all-time. Should. Kinda can’t. It’s the total.
@FurdTerguson , @Col. Angus summarized the situation perfectly.
No one cares that Kansas played 100+ more games. They only talk about the all-time wins. That's why Kentucky fans care.
It's weird that you don't care. But then again, maybe it's not so weird at all.
No one cares that Kansas played 100+ more games. They only talk about the all-time wins. That's why Kentucky fans care.
It's weird that you don't care. But then again, maybe it's not so weird at all.
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I could not possibly care any less. KU had like a 5 year head start, right? UK stills leads all programs in winning percentage, which is a far more impressive stat.
150 more losses, and yes, it's a pretty pointless record when teams started in different years. You either need to normalize for games played or just use win percentage, which we still lead it.
I'd be willing to bet that the fans who are okay with Calipari right now are mainly the same ones who are okay with Kansas passing us in all-time wins.
They're also the ones who are okay with losing to the likes of Evansville and who push for "only March matters", until we lose to someone in March and then is becomes "the tournament is too random" or "at least we don't have Billy Gillispie anymore."
I bet I could name 25 posters who fit this criteria. Two of them have already posted in the thread. I'm looking forward to the others joining them soon.
They're also the ones who are okay with losing to the likes of Evansville and who push for "only March matters", until we lose to someone in March and then is becomes "the tournament is too random" or "at least we don't have Billy Gillispie anymore."
I bet I could name 25 posters who fit this criteria. Two of them have already posted in the thread. I'm looking forward to the others joining them soon.
This is what Cal has done to certain fans.He has made them believe that nothing matters anymore.
My thing about the winning percentage is this: how often do you really hear people bring it up? It sounds like a fallback option after the numerical win lead was lost. No one used to talk about it until Kansas passed UK, then it was, "Oh, winning percentage is way more important."
And I get that Kansas has more years in history, but the fact that Kentucky overcame that and still had the most wins all-time was a testament to their greatness.
Winning percentage falls in line with how Kansas fans have talked about their 20+ years of consistent dominance. It's the same type of nuances argument that only devoted followers of college basketball hone in on.
Winning percentage matters, but it's a secondary bragging point. Being first in wins matters, and everyone this side of the nihilistic portion of BBN understands that.
The fact that you consistently devolve to ad hominem instead of actual rebuttal is telling.
I read where the day after Kansas passed us, UK took the "all time wins" phrasing from their official account
and then I hear the announcer reference Kansas as the all time wins leader at the end of one of their games
For people to say they don't care or it doesn't matter, or substitute some other stat as more relevant isn't a reflection of what the University prided itself on.
and then I hear the announcer reference Kansas as the all time wins leader at the end of one of their games
For people to say they don't care or it doesn't matter, or substitute some other stat as more relevant isn't a reflection of what the University prided itself on.
The reality is that we're dealing with some members of BBN who actually have very little to no expectation for the program.
Once we acknowledge that reality, it makes sense that some of them never "get it." The program could go 0-32 one season, and they'd still talk about how it's not as bad as it seems.
We just keep eroding away the traditions and things that used to matter. That's how you become a program that doesn't matter anymore.
You'd lose all those bets. I was far more ashamed losing at home to Evansville and to Jersey City Community College this March than I am losing the wins lead to Kansas. Michigan and Notre Dame football have the most wins, but no one looks at them as the top football program.
Personally I'd rather win two more titles in the next 10 years and still be second to Kansas than not win any and take back the wins lead.
I have a lifelong friend who is a Tarheels fan. We have gone back and forth for 35 years now. Whenever I tried to use all time wins, he'd say "against who, a bunch of SEC football schools"? What shut him up was our eight titles. Can't fake those. When Carolina passed us in 95 or whatever it was he didn't even care. I agree. It's a meaningless stat especially when you see who programs beat before 1950.
Nope.
I bet if you took a poll within BBN, you'd find yourself in the extreme minority on this one. It's an objective standard, and one we had controlled for a few decades.
It doesn't matter to you, but you don't speak for the program. The fans overwhelmingly care.
Surely all y’all UK fans don’t think the Kansas program has passed the that of the Wildcats, this from an Auburn fan chiming in. I know the overall wins record is important, but a lot of hoops fans don’t even know or care about it. Championships matters.
This is so true. Really pisses me off. Biggest douche on this board (KybASSfan) is proof of this. A moron that thinks Triple C is king and talks stupid sh*t to everybody that wants the C man fired. Thanks for the truth
.Other than maybe batting percentage in baseball....no one uses percentage.
All time wins...home runs....scoring....etc.
Anybody know Kareems shooting percentage?
All time wins...home runs....scoring....etc.
Anybody know Kareems shooting percentage?
Good point, but I'll counter with this...do you know what teams are 1 and 2 in NBA titles? That's right, Lakers and Celtics. Do you know what team has the most overall wins?Other than maybe batting percentage in baseball....no one uses percentage.
All time wins...home runs....scoring....etc.
Anybody know Kareems shooting percentage?
Steelers and Patriots have the most Super Bowl wins. Bears have the most regular season/overall wins. Which one matters?
Kansas should be getting ready to vacate a boatload of W's. They're every bit as guilty as LSU except they've been doing it for decades not just the last 4 or 5 years Wade was at LSU.
why would we have to choose?
if you're winning championships, you're adding to the count total - Kinda like how UK is sitting at home and Kansas is playing tonight...well....*exactly* like that
I care and I want to get back to most all time wins, but in reality win percentage is a much better metric than all time number of wins. Neither are perfect though, because they can't account for the relative level of the competition teams play against. Look at Gonzaga for example. Few has a very high win percentage but they rarely play anyone with a competitive program so it really doesn't tell you much about his coaching ability. Although I care about those statistics from a bragging perspective, in truth they aren't the end all be all. Titles and final four appearances are far more important in my opinion.
Don't so much care about the 3pt thing, but the wins thing is a big deal perception wise...why do you think they announced it for KU at the NC game?
Except the man in charge...he'd much rather you announce how many oads HE has in the cnba.
We have played more games but we play in a tougher league. The Big 8/12 has always been among the best.
Not as much bc as far as I can tell college basketball isn't discontinued after this year. Will be glad to reclaim it tho...even tho ku amd unc have played way more games.
The one I think is nonsense tho is ppl crying about the 3pt streak. Outside of uk fans I guarantee no one even knew who had that, nor do ppl know who has it now...who is it, Vandy? Lol yes definition of greatness. It's like asking who has the most consecutive games out rebounding their opponent...no one knows.
The one I think is nonsense tho is ppl crying about the 3pt streak. Outside of uk fans I guarantee no one even knew who had that, nor do ppl know who has it now...who is it, Vandy? Lol yes definition of greatness. It's like asking who has the most consecutive games out rebounding their opponent...no one knows.
Tubby had more wins at UK than Pitino did. Is that how we should evaluate our coaches?
