It's not only this game. They've lost five road games in conference dating back to last year, besides, State beat them at Duke last year. It's the same story every year, which is weak defense. I don't care that they lost at PNC but every other team seems to beat State and BC type teams when they should. The season aint over, but don't see it ending any different than the last few if others on the team other than Bagley don't start showing up every night
ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE LOSS
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Definitely, the kid is just 19 years old and one year removed from high school.
This is just laughable...
Coach K: "Alex has got to play better. He came in and I thought he played nervous tonight. That happens when you're trying to grow."
He played 2 min!!....2 min!!! What the hell are you supposed to do with 2min? How can you even have that opinion from 2 min of playing time???
Coach K: "Alex has got to play better. He came in and I thought he played nervous tonight. That happens when you're trying to grow."
He played 2 min!!....2 min!!! What the hell are you supposed to do with 2min? How can you even have that opinion from 2 min of playing time???
And? Right now he's ready to leave with one year completed? No. Freaking. Way.
Well up to now, this team isn't nowhere near where I thought they would be. Yes I've been critical of the bench, or lack of, but this crap is getting old. Not to pick on some of the posters here as well, but at what point do some of you say K is at fault? After the BC loss, he blamed it on lack of practice, then we have 3+ weeks to improve defensively. How are we now? Everyone before the season gets all hyped up for our one and done stars, then some want to put the brakes on and say we are young, and will take lumps.
Why didn't the bench play some? The old K would sit at least 3-4 guys out, sometimes the starting 5 to wake them up, now he sits there and watches his stars get abused, look confused, as they play church league defense. Our bench can't do any worse. Why did Grayson play 39 minutes with the way he played, or Trent 38 and shoot 4-14, and O'Connell plays 2 minutes?
We still can turn it around, and everyone is right to say the kids have to do better, but the fact is K as of Jan 6 is the reason. I mean we have what 4 nba future stars right?
Why didn't the bench play some? The old K would sit at least 3-4 guys out, sometimes the starting 5 to wake them up, now he sits there and watches his stars get abused, look confused, as they play church league defense. Our bench can't do any worse. Why did Grayson play 39 minutes with the way he played, or Trent 38 and shoot 4-14, and O'Connell plays 2 minutes?
We still can turn it around, and everyone is right to say the kids have to do better, but the fact is K as of Jan 6 is the reason. I mean we have what 4 nba future stars right?
We've been over everything a million times already. Hoping for a quality effort here on out, or my wife is going to leave me.
The outlook to our season is still bright. We have as much talent as anyone in the country. That’s part of the reason why this loss was as disappointing as it was.
Its kinda hard to hear the questions being asked. So you’re not sure what he’s answering. He got a little frustrated at one point because of one reporter and dumb questions. He’s K. He has 5 rings. Until he starts making dumb moves like putting Robinson at Center...I’m cool with what he’s doing. Maybe some of these other armchair coaches would like to go to his office on Monday to give him some advice. 2nd loss and almost then entire board has turned into Guru Gary and thrown in the towel. Either be a damn Duke fan with the good and bad...or close your account and go to RR and THR to join those idiots. @pisgah101 this is not directed at you.
Not ready to give up yet but we're looking an awful lot like last year's team. Hopefully we can figure it out but the clock is ticking.
Yeah...everything is fine and dandy with this team. Just some of the worst defense we've ever seen from a Duke squad over the past month or longer. Even in our wins the defense is fugly. Plus two losses to ACC bottom feeders is nothing to be alarmed about at all.
He was leading by example. He was waiting for the ball to be passed if Bagley didn’t score. That’s what the rest of the team does. Not for nothing but States guards were all over Grayson. I mean it’s not like they could stop Bagley so you cover the rest. I just don’t see how it’s on one player. People blame K, Blame Grayson. It’s the team as a whole coaches and all. And when he said lead by example he ment with his actions otherwise every player on the court would be putting it on the line like Grayson.
I 100% agree and have thought so for years now. Unfortunately there are too many "You never ever ever question the GOAT under any circumstances" people on this board.
Ummmm 2015 we lost two in a row. State at PNC by 12 and the next game to Miami by 16 in Cameron. We won the Natty that year. If this were toward the end of the season I’d be worried.
So no sense of realism allowed? I'm curious...
The 15 team defended, even moderately, and didn't allow points as freely as this team does. This team can score and has more raw talent, but they've got to go a long *** way to even sniff championship level D.
If we find the right defense and stick with it and play it, then we can be the team we are supposed to be.
Yes, but were those in the first three games in conference? Miami and state were pretty good that year both made the NCAA tourney. For some odd reason I just don’t see BC and State making it this season. Shoot state could have atleast said they were without their starting pg. no one on here isnt saying the same same thing, as announcers and people in the basketball “ know” are asking.
You wouldn’t be a fan if you didn’t worry.
Kobe I agree. With this much disarray w/this much talent, I think there is more going on as you say "behind the scenes than we know." K did say following the game he was "disappointed in himself and his staff." Maybe they can re-evaluate their teaching methods of defense, and make this a true TEAM, rather than just a great group of individual offensive talents.
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I'll feel better when someone on this team shows they can give at least 25% of the effort on the defensive side of the ball as Winslow, Jefferson or Jones.
You are correct sir. Still time to grow and improve. Just another head scratcher, especially when State didn't even have to be hot from three. Something needs to be done with the bench, Grayson has to be more vocal, Trent has to eventually wake up, and hopefully some kind of defense gets going. On a side note, there were a lot of top 25 teams that lost today.
Not going to question the X’s and O’s But I can get on board with the lack of Fire from the staff all the way around. K has lost some fire on the sidelines. I realize he handles groups differently, but tonight was quite worthy of a K wake up call!
We have bodies to sub in for a wake up. This no bench talk is mind blowing
We have bodies to sub in for a wake up. This no bench talk is mind blowing
Javin got 15 minutes, the rest of the bench played 9 minutes total
I didn't give Quinn Cook enough credit. I was slightly more hopeful earlier in the year that Grayson could emulate Cooks 2015 leadership abilities. This game shook my confidence in that, a bit, but there is still a lot of time to get the ship righted.
Much like our guys, I never put forth the effort needed to be a good defender when I played basketball either. It wasn't my coaches fault, it was my fault. These guys have all the tools to be a great defensive team, they just have to make it a priority. I really hope they do, because good defense could lead to even better offense, and easy baskets. I hope it all comes together. I could really use an enjoyable sports viewing experience from one of my sports teams. The rest are dumpster fires.
Much like our guys, I never put forth the effort needed to be a good defender when I played basketball either. It wasn't my coaches fault, it was my fault. These guys have all the tools to be a great defensive team, they just have to make it a priority. I really hope they do, because good defense could lead to even better offense, and easy baskets. I hope it all comes together. I could really use an enjoyable sports viewing experience from one of my sports teams. The rest are dumpster fires.
Expectations lowering a little bit? Been saying it all along. We will be above average...Could be special if we put it together.
I have to say this one is on K. This makes 4 of 6 losses in the last half dozen Raleigh trips, and come on, losing to the Pack by double digits this year?? You mentioned K saying we didnt have enough practice time to learn to play D after the BC LOSS.Tonite he blamed the lack of games in the last month + exam break for lack of preparation. He's just underachieving in league play right now, w/the most talent in the league.
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Those comments about needing games to improve defense after saying they needed practice to improve defense - that's pretty bad.
NCSU lost to Northern Iowa (8-7) on a neutral court. They lost to UNC-G at home! They lost to Clemson by 16 and scored only 62 points. They lost to Notre Dame by 30, scoring only 58 points!
Then, they put up 96 against us! There's no debating this team has serious problems.
Jeff Borzello, ESPN:
"ACC teams are scoring 92.7 points and shooting 48.6% from 3 in conference games involving Duke. (Via @ESPNStatsInfo)"
"Duke has two points and 18 minutes from its bench tonight. I asked Mike Krzyzewski about the lack of bench production weeks ago, and he said, "The primary people to develop are the ones who play the most minutes." Wanted his starters to be comfortable playing 30-plus minutes."
I don't get that quote from K. That's just not a good thing to say - how would you like to be a player on the bench and hear that? Or be a mid-level recruit? Leaving aside my own fan bias, If I were ranked 30th or lower, no way would I consider Duke. It's also not a good thing to do, imo. It's almost saying, "I'm desperate to win now, as many games as possible, so I'm not concerned about the 8th/9th guy off the bench." Then, he complains about not having depth? We have top 25, top 50, and top 100 recruits on the bench - players who were ranked along side other players on other teams who are developing.
Bolden - 16; Delaurier - 44; Jordan Tucker - 42 (unused; transferred); O'Connell - 87th (2 minutes tonight; but has played better). Had the same issue with Chase Jeter - 11th overall (used little; transferred).
Either our scouting of recruits (other than top 10 players) really sucks, or K is just ignoring developing any players past the top 5 (which seems to be indicative of that statement). Or a little of both.
Whichever you want to pick, that's not good.
Why not develop the guys who get fewer minutes then you can develop 8-10 players and we have depth and can play more physical defense?
Maybe we'll be better but it doesn't get any easier. People will be hungry to play Duke. It also makes it very tough because these guys are young and don't have that experience to fall back on.
It's also unlikely K will change anything at this point. He's not been a person to change his philosophy toward players so who knows.
NCSU lost to Northern Iowa (8-7) on a neutral court. They lost to UNC-G at home! They lost to Clemson by 16 and scored only 62 points. They lost to Notre Dame by 30, scoring only 58 points!
Then, they put up 96 against us! There's no debating this team has serious problems.
Jeff Borzello, ESPN:
"ACC teams are scoring 92.7 points and shooting 48.6% from 3 in conference games involving Duke. (Via @ESPNStatsInfo)"
"Duke has two points and 18 minutes from its bench tonight. I asked Mike Krzyzewski about the lack of bench production weeks ago, and he said, "The primary people to develop are the ones who play the most minutes." Wanted his starters to be comfortable playing 30-plus minutes."
I don't get that quote from K. That's just not a good thing to say - how would you like to be a player on the bench and hear that? Or be a mid-level recruit? Leaving aside my own fan bias, If I were ranked 30th or lower, no way would I consider Duke. It's also not a good thing to do, imo. It's almost saying, "I'm desperate to win now, as many games as possible, so I'm not concerned about the 8th/9th guy off the bench." Then, he complains about not having depth? We have top 25, top 50, and top 100 recruits on the bench - players who were ranked along side other players on other teams who are developing.
Bolden - 16; Delaurier - 44; Jordan Tucker - 42 (unused; transferred); O'Connell - 87th (2 minutes tonight; but has played better). Had the same issue with Chase Jeter - 11th overall (used little; transferred).
Either our scouting of recruits (other than top 10 players) really sucks, or K is just ignoring developing any players past the top 5 (which seems to be indicative of that statement). Or a little of both.
Whichever you want to pick, that's not good.
Why not develop the guys who get fewer minutes then you can develop 8-10 players and we have depth and can play more physical defense?
Maybe we'll be better but it doesn't get any easier. People will be hungry to play Duke. It also makes it very tough because these guys are young and don't have that experience to fall back on.
It's also unlikely K will change anything at this point. He's not been a person to change his philosophy toward players so who knows.
Whoa that quote you bolded
honestly if i was player 6-end of bench and he said that I'd be joining tucker as we speak.Saying we dont have depth is a slight on the players on that bench.After all they were given scholarships to be on the team and have talent...it also sends a really bad message to recruits...if you dont start you wont play much....how is that going to help get any players other than the OAD? We are already seeing a pretty high transfer frequency the past few years....this comment ( twice now) from Coach K does not help in the present or the future.
Alex was definitely nervous tonight. Anyone who watched the game could see that. He came in and was immediately timid. Not the first time I've seen that happen this season. He doesn't do well against aggressive guards; but he'll be fine in a couple years, and so will Jordan.
I agree. Every pregame interview (INCLUDING LAST NITE) it seems K says on his radio interview, "They're OLD." In other words we have a bunch of freshman, and we're at an immediate disadvatage.
This is a CHOICE staff has- to go the OAD route OR build teams the old fashioned Duke way like the '10 team.
Too many other excuses: after the BC loss-"we have had too many games, not enough time to practice. " Last nite postgame: "We havent had enough games lately, 3 in a month, and its hurt us."
Coach K and staff TRULY need to look in the mirror with all this talent and re-evaluate or this season is going to melt away quicker than you can say South Carolina. Finally coach, please stop saying "we dont have a bench." Thats a slap to those young men who chose to play for the best school in the country, and you are only going to get out of your bench what you invest in it.
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Well I guess one of the problems with recruiting the mix of OAD vs 4 yr guys is that you’re not sure who’s gonna say yes. So if you recruit Bagley/Carter and then the rest of 4 yr players....what happens when they say no to Duke? You’re left going and getting the 3 star kid. Then people would be in here complaining that K has lost his recruiting edge, needs to retire, and leave he recruiting to the younger guys. Again, it’s still early, it’s their 2nd loss, and it’s not March. K took 4 freshman and won a title. I think he knows a little more than everyone on here.
Polish it anyway you wish but 5 straight road losses in ACC PLAY since last season doesnt cut it in his current approach.
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When all is said and done it's all about the defense. OFC
Regardless of the terrible defense, we would still be undefeated if we went inside more. It's true.
When the games get tight, Bagley and Carter need the ball inside every possesion. No Grayson horrible long jumpshots, no Gary jumpers, and definitely no Duval 3's. EVERY POSSESION we need to go inside.
The only ways BC and NC State could stop us was by bricking jumpers.
When the games get tight, Bagley and Carter need the ball inside every possesion. No Grayson horrible long jumpshots, no Gary jumpers, and definitely no Duval 3's. EVERY POSSESION we need to go inside.
The only ways BC and NC State could stop us was by bricking jumpers.