2 more years ..

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

How many of the best coaches in college football needed 4-5 years to turn a program around? Almost all of them turned it around by Year 2-3. Even Bill Snyder got K-State to 7-4 in Year 3. Rhule turned Baylor around in 3 years, Campbell turned ISU around in 2 years, Fleck 3 years at Minnesota. If you don't show significant progress by Year 3, it's probably not going to happen. I can't think of any coaches who started with 3 consecutive losing seasons and still turned the program around later on.

I'm not sure campbell belongs in this discussion. they, like baylor, have all the looks of a flash in the pan as opposed to a turnaround.

in fact, every coach cited aside from Snyder has yet to sustain success.

is one good season a turnaround? I'm not so sure.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

I'm not sure campbell belongs in this discussion. they, like baylor, have all the looks of a flash in the pan as opposed to a turnaround.

in fact, every coach cited aside from Snyder has yet to sustain success.

is one good season a turnaround? I'm not so sure.

correct ... you would be foolish to assume anyone was a good coach based on just one good season

 

[Harry Caray]

I'm not sure campbell belongs in this discussion. they, like baylor, have all the looks of a flash in the pan as opposed to a turnaround.

in fact, every coach cited aside from Snyder has yet to sustain success.

is one good season a turnaround? I'm not so sure.

It's Iowa State, though. They only won 8 games one time since 1978 before Campbell, and he did it twice in his first 3 years while beating multiple Top 10 teams.

Nebraska is a blue-blood program with a virtually unlimited budget for recruiting and staffing, and a sold out stadium every game. It shouldn't take more than 3 years to have a winning season if it can be done at places like ISU, Baylor, Minnesota, Indiana, and Virginia.

 

[kerpal_68]

If Moos and Frost didn't put their foot in their mouths 2 years ago this recent statement is taken a lot easier by the fan base. Eventually you run out of excuses for not backing up your talk. I should mention I'm a long ways from the fire anyone crowd. I just think they brought a lot of this on themselves.

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

correct ... you would be foolish to assume anyone was a good coach based on just one good season

thanks. this is very helpful context to be applied to all of your posts fawning over campbell.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

How many of the best coaches in college football needed 4-5 years to turn a program around? Almost all of them turned it around by Year 2-3. Even Bill Snyder got K-State to 7-4 in Year 3. Rhule turned Baylor around in 3 years, Campbell turned ISU around in 2 years, Fleck 3 years at Minnesota. If you don't show significant progress by Year 3, it's probably not going to happen. I can't think of any coaches who started with 3 consecutive losing seasons and still turned the program around later on.

And of those on that list, fleck at minny is most applicable, not only newer, the Big as well.
I think building off of ucf success where SF set an all time ncaa recird by going no wins to undefeated in two years drove expectations higher than reality, and even we'd just gotten a bowl bid, things would be different.

However, comparing us directly to the minny turnaround isn't accurate either, as minny was on more stable ground with the prior staffs, and, their schedule isn't comparable to ours, this year.

So, what makes a turnaround knowing what we know? I've said 7-5 this year, others may be higher or lower, but by the end of this year, we will know if the staff is turning it around or not, everything else is much handwringing about nothing.

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

It's Iowa State, though. They only won 8 games one time since 1978 before Campbell, and he did it twice in his first 3 years while beating multiple Top 10 teams.

Nebraska is a blue-blood program with a virtually unlimited budget for recruiting and staffing, and a sold out stadium every game. It shouldn't take more than 3 years to have a winning season if it can be done at places like ISU, Baylor, Minnesota, Indiana, and Virginia.

0-4 vs iowa, 1 bowl win

going backwards now

whoop-de-do

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

I'm not sure campbell belongs in this discussion. they, like baylor, have all the looks of a flash in the pan as opposed to a turnaround.

in fact, every coach cited aside from Snyder has yet to sustain success.

is one good season a turnaround? I'm not so sure.

Flecks record at w mich was outstanding, and he played a salty wiscy team close before he took minny

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

thanks. this is very helpful context to be applied to all of your posts fawning over campbell.

when a coach is fired, the new coach is brought in to be better than the coach that had to be fired. .. a good coach should not have difficulty surpassing the results of a terrible coach very early in his tenure

Matt Campbell's win total after 2 years compared to the 2 years prior to him taking over is +6 and +11 comparing 3 years .. his 8 wins in 2017 was the most wins in 17 years at ISU

Frost after 2 years is minus 4 compared to Riley... he would have to win 10 just to break even with Riley's total after 3 years. .... it is unclear how long it will take for him to match Riley's 9 win total

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Good thing coaches dont have to deal with human beings, imagine how complicated things could become.

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

when a coach is fired, the new coach is brought in to be better than the coach that had to be fired. .. a good coach should not have difficulty surpassing the results of a terrible coach very early in his tenure

Matt Campbell's win total after 2 years compared to the 2 years prior to him taking over is +6 and +11 comparing 3 years .. his 8 wins in 2017 was the most wins in 17 years at ISU

Frost after 2 years is minus 4 compared to Riley... he would have to win 10 just to break even with Riley's total after 3 years. .... it is unclear how long it will take for him to match Riley's 9 win total

Boy, after all this moving goalposts talk you seem to have become quite proficient in the practice.

Why would entire tenure be taken into account? Is this the case when replacing longstanding coaches, or just those who don’t last long?

Poor Coach O. National champ yet still a long way to go to get that win total above Les Miles’s.

Riley was fired for winning 4 games. 2 years later, under a new coach, they won 5. Sure looks like improvement to me.

You’re having a tough time on the board lately. Perhaps you should get out there and see other teams. Might speed along the mending of your tragically broken heart.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Boy, after all this moving goalposts talk you seem to have become quite proficient in the practice.

Why would entire tenure be taken into account? Is this the case when replacing longstanding coaches, or just those who don’t last long?

Riley was fired for winning 4 games. 2 years later, under a new coach, they won 5. Sure looks like improvement to me.

.

Matt Campbell took over for a coach who won 3 games and 2 years later won 8.
But I agree in the big picture Matt Campbell hasn't been that great ... 8 wins isn't that big of an achievement

We need to be more competitive in the conference. The year Riley was fired we finished 5th in the division with 3 conference wins. In year 1 we finished 5th in the division with 3 conf wins ... but after a full off season, fall camp, returning Fr All American QB etc, etc in year 2 we came over the top with a 6th place divisional finish and another 3 win conference campaign ..... I can see why you are on such a high after snorting all that improvement based solely on finally beating a sunbelt conference team

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

Matt Campbell took over for a coach who won 3 games and 2 years later won 8.
But I agree in the big picture Matt Campbell hasn't been that great ... 8 wins isn't that big of an achievement

We need to be more competitive in the conference. The year Riley was fired we finished 5th in the division with 3 conference wins. In year 1 we finished 5th in the division with 3 conf wins ... but after a full off season, fall camp, returning Fr All American QB etc, etc in year 2 we came over the top with a 6th place divisional finish and another 3 win conference campaign ..... I can see why you are on such a high after snorting all that improvement based solely on finally beating a sunbelt conference team

Yet another of your talking points that doesn’t apply to me.

No sunshine pumping here, as many posters will attest. Just an understanding of what’s manipulative and arbitrary versus what’s genuine and informative.

You may carry on trolling, though I fear it won’t do much for your shattered feelings.

Have you tried going back and watching Frost’s introductory presser? A good cry could do you wonders.

Let it all out, @jlb321

 

[timnsun]

when a coach is fired, the new coach is brought in to be better than the coach that had to be fired. .. a good coach should not have difficulty surpassing the results of a terrible coach very early in his tenure

Matt Campbell's win total after 2 years compared to the 2 years prior to him taking over is +6 and +11 comparing 3 years .. his 8 wins in 2017 was the most wins in 17 years at ISU

Frost after 2 years is minus 4 compared to Riley... he would have to win 10 just to break even with Riley's total after 3 years. .... it is unclear how long it will take for him to match Riley's 9 win total

Very compelling. I see the light. Frost sucks. The sooner we fire him the better off we will be. Riley was better than Frost. Hands down.

Why did we ever fire Riley???? Big mistake there... Moving forward, I am not going to weigh in on any hires that aren’t approved by jlb. He should be the sounding board moving forward. Get him a seat at the table please.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Very compelling. I see the light. Frost sucks. The sooner we fire him the better off we will be. Riley was better than Frost. Hands down.

Why did we ever fire Riley???? Big mistake there... Moving forward, I am not going to weigh in on any hires that aren’t approved by jlb. He should be the sounding board moving forward. Get him a seat at the table please.

where have I ever said Riley should not have been fired .. or Frost never hired
the ultimate evaluation of a hire comes from results .. they have been ****** to date

everyone loved when the Knicks hired Phil Jackson ... that doesn't change the fact that he did a terrible job

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Very compelling. I see the light. Frost sucks. The sooner we fire him the better off we will be. Riley was better than Frost. Hands down.

Why did we ever fire Riley???? Big mistake there... Moving forward, I am not going to weigh in on any hires that aren’t approved by jlb. He should be the sounding board moving forward. Get him a seat at the table please.

Before you do that, check the age of the coach first,yes, on your own, feel free to make your own decision

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Before you do that, check the age of the coach first,yes, on your own, feel free to make your own decision

agree with this ...Frost is very young, he has another 5 years on his contract ... he has time to possibly develop into a quality power 5 coach

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

where have I ever said Riley should not have been fired .. or Frost never hired
the ultimate evaluation of a hire comes from results .. they have been ****** to date

everyone loved when the Knicks hired Phil Jackson ... that doesn't change the fact that he did a terrible job

I don't think anyone will disagree with you here.

also, not for nothing but this is much better than your usual passive aggressive nonsense.

 

[timnsun]

where have I ever said Riley should not have been fired .. or Frost never hired
the ultimate evaluation of a hire comes from results .. they have been ****** to date

everyone loved when the Knicks hired Phil Jackson ... that doesn't change the fact that he did a terrible job

Results are the only things that matter. Frost sucks worse than Riley. You have spoken.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Should the OP then be? If MR were still coach, could he still coach two more years?

 

[Ewooc]

How many of the best coaches in college football needed 4-5 years to turn a program around? Almost all of them turned it around by Year 2-3. Even Bill Snyder got K-State to 7-4 in Year 3. Rhule turned Baylor around in 3 years, Campbell turned ISU around in 2 years, Fleck 3 years at Minnesota. If you don't show significant progress by Year 3, it's probably not going to happen. I can't think of any coaches who started with 3 consecutive losing seasons and still turned the program around later on.

Agree, yes there are few examples over the last 60 years where it took a coach more than 3 years to have at least some success. Not many. This is the year in my opinion. It is going to say if Frost will be able to flip this or not. I know some don't want to believe it, but it is what it is. Many will find excuses or reason to why Frost needs more than 3 years. Neb and Frost need to win this year. I think we have to get to 8.

 

[Headcard]

Results are the only things that matter. Frost sucks worse than Riley. You have spoken.

Immediate results are the only thing that matter. Like Saban at Alabama. but not Saban at MSU, because that is different somehow.
The state of the program inherited matters for Campbell, proving he is good, but not for Fleck, because that is different somehow too.
Everything is equal and all good coaches win right away, with the exception of all the great coaches who haven't, except Scott Frost because, that is also different.
No excuses, play like a champion, unacceptable!

 

[Headcard]

Agree, yes there are few examples over the last 60 years where it took a coach more than 3 years to have at least some success. Not many. This is the year in my opinion. It is going to say if Frost will be able to flip this or not. I know some don't want to believe it, but it is what it is. Many will find excuses or reason to why Frost needs more than 3 years. Neb and Frost need to win this year. I think we have to get to 8.

So if we are a 7-win team coming into the Iowa game and the game comes down to a last second FG, the fate of the entire program rides on that one kick? Wow, talk about intense.

 

[mgbreeze]

where have I ever said Riley should not have been fired .. or Frost never hired
the ultimate evaluation of a hire comes from results .. they have been ****** to date

Wow, this might be the first time you've actually ever said what you meant instead of trying to be cleverly insulting.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Immediate results are the only thing that matter. Like Saban at Alabama. but not Saban at MSU, because that is different somehow.
The state of the program inherited matters for Campbell, proving he is good, but not for Fleck, because that is different somehow too.
Everything is equal and all good coaches win right away, with the exception of all the great coaches who haven't, except Scott Frost because, that is also different.
No excuses, play like a champion, unacceptable!

where have I called for championships?

how about simply being better than your predecessor? Particularly when your predecessor was one of the worst coaches in program history.

At the very least don’t be worse

 

[timnsun]

where have I called for championships?

how about simply being better than your predecessor? Particularly when your predecessor was one of the worst coaches in program history.

At the very least don’t be worse

Exactly. Frost sucks. Riley was better. Results matter. You have spoken.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Exactly. Frost sucks. Riley was better. Results matter. You have spoken.

his results have been worse than Riley ... I’m sure eventually, given enough time, he will eek ahead of MR

 

[timnsun]

his results have been worse than Riley ... I’m sure eventually, given enough time, he will eek ahead of MR

His results say otherwise. Thanks for helping me see the light. I am with you now.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

His results say otherwise. Thanks for helping me see the light. I am with you now.

I have not made that statement ... but you seem insistent on taking this bold stance

 

[timnsun]

I have not made that statement ... but since you are insistent on your stance I won't try to change your mind

Hey, I’m with you on this, no need to hide. It’s taken me awhile to get there, but you see much better than me. Frost sucks. No more beating around the bush. Be loud and proud. Your posts constantly point out how bad Frost is.

Own it. I am here for you.

 

[timnsun]

Sorry, @jlb321, maybe I’ve been a bit over the top with my posts here... you know how it is, right?

Right? Yeah, you definitely know...

 

[icnu525]

neb will be bowl eligible before they lose a game in 2020
imho

 

[Ewooc]

So if we are a 7-win team coming into the Iowa game and the game comes down to a last second FG, the fate of the entire program rides on that one kick? Wow, talk about intense.

Numbers, statistics, odds, data and anything other analytical thing you want to throw at it says yes. Plus the Iowa game isn't the last game. So we would have 2 other games to get 8 or 9 wins.

 

[B1G RED RULES]

How many of the best coaches in college football needed 4-5 years to turn a program around? Almost all of them turned it around by Year 2-3. Even Bill Snyder got K-State to 7-4 in Year 3. Rhule turned Baylor around in 3 years, Campbell turned ISU around in 2 years, Fleck 3 years at Minnesota. If you don't show significant progress by Year 3, it's probably not going to happen. I can't think of any coaches who started with 3 consecutive losing seasons and still turned the program around later on.

You speak the truth, but you are going to hurt a lot of sensitive feelings.

 

[Headcard]

Numbers, statistics, odds, data and anything other analytical thing you want to throw at it says yes. Plus the Iowa game isn't the last game. So we would have 2 other games to get 8 or 9 wins.

No it doesn’t, it’s just your made up narrative.

 

[SeaOfRed75]

Wow, this might be the first time you've actually ever said what you meant instead of trying to be cleverly insulting.

I don't think anyone will disagree with you here.

also, not for nothing but this is much better than your usual passive aggressive nonsense.

Notice that someone ignores these posts and doesn't respond. Because........spot on.

 

[vs540husker]

do you think the university will mint 6 win commemorative coins so we can all relive this monumental success for generations to come?


maybe the bookstore will print shirts:

I would buy a 6 shirt!!

 

[Headcard]

Numbers, statistics, odds, data and anything other analytical thing you want to throw at it says yes. Plus the Iowa game isn't the last game. So we would have 2 other games to get 8 or 9 wins.

I would love to see what "analytical thing" you think supports your notion if a coach doesn't win big by year three, it will never happen.

These guys all took at least 4 years to get to 9 wins at their schools:
Frank Beemer @VT 9 years
Johnny Majors @Texas 7 years
Bobby Bowden @WVU 6 years
Mack Brown @UNC 5 years
Nick Saban @ MSU 5 years
Bill Snyder @KSU 5 years
Jim Harbaugh @Stanford 4 years
Bo Schembechler @Miami 4 years

And for the Hawkeye lovers out there:
Hayden Fry @ Iowa 5 years
Kirk Farentz @ Iowa 5 years

 

[Headcard]

But maybe I'm setting my sights too low. After all, none of those guys even won National Championships at those schools.

These guys all took at least 4 years to win 9-games and then went on to win National Championship(s) at their schools :
Bill McCartney @ Colorado 8 years
Don James @ Washington 5 years
Lavell Edwards @ BYU 5 years
Biggie Munn @ MSU 5 years
Woody Hays @ OSU 4 years
Bear Bryant @ Alabama 4 years
Johnny Majors @ Pitt 4 years
Danny Ford @ Clemson 4 years
Bobby Ross @ GT 4 years

And for the Hawkeye lovers, who believe they won a title in 1958:
Forrest Evashevski @ Iowa 5 years

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

But maybe I'm setting my sights too low. After all, none of those guys even won National Championships at those schools.

These guys all took at least 4 years to win 9-games and then went on to win National Championship(s) at their schools :
Bill McCartney @ Colorado 8 years
Don James @ Washington 5 years
Lavell Edwards @ BYU 5 years
Biggie Munn @ MSU 5 years
Woody Hays @ OSU 4 years
Bear Bryant @ Alabama 4 years
Johnny Majors @ Pitt 4 years
Danny Ford @ Clemson 4 years
Bobby Ross @ GT 4 years

And for the Hawkeye lovers, who believe they won a title in 1958:
Forrest Evashevski @ Iowa 5 years

If SF had taken the fla job, he'd likely meet some goal post shifting requirements.
Thing is, he's gotten praise from the right people, but fans either don't have a clue or are in denial, of just how far we'd sunk, yet still only lose last minute to iowa, home and away.

Speculating on the negative is just dumb, and that one winning season wipes it all out, but some of us are getting tired of having to stand in the boat, ankle deep in pee from those lil whiner dogs pittle.