You do realize that this conversation isn’t about comparing two teams but rather my attack on the idea that having better depth is always preferable to having better top end talent?
Duke game thread 8/15/18
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It would be difficult to make a logical decision based on the fact only 1 has ever played a collegiate game. As of now, I would say reddish will go higher based on potential. He's also played basketball quite a bit longer, so in reality that should be the case. However, NBA scouts spoke very highly of Richard's post Bahamas and its evident why. Richards also had a significant size advantage over Reddish. You can't teach 7'0.
Talent is nice and having 3 top talented players is a great thing, but in reality you had that and more last year and still couldn't get past a lesser talented but deeper and more experienced KU team. Do you expect a different outcome this year, and if so, why?
RJ Barrett with 34 points and now with another 35 points tonight. Dude takes about 20% of the shots of the team. He is good but with so much reliance on him, if he has an off night I can see them struggling to eek out a win.
We faced the Toronto National team they played the college I'm pretty sure. We played Team Toronto, they played Toronto University LOL.
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Nope. Now, since we're being honest, what kind of grade would you give K since he's been team building primarily with oad's. Your 15 title was not primarily done with oad's. I'll be interested to see if you'll be honest in your opinion on this. Personally, I'd give him a 6 out of 10. I'm not convinced he can win big with oad's. He hasn't so far despite the talent level on the floor.
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Dude I know you want Duke to be bad, trust me, I hate them with a passion and want them to suck every year. However, the difference between you and me is I am a realist and you are not. You are not going to be able to convince yourself, much less anybody else that Duke is going to suck, no matter how many times you type it. The bottom line is they have 3 big time players and other pretty good one with Jones, as well as a couple decent role players. They are going to be a handful come March because of that big 3 alone. Now, the good news for you and me sir, is that we are better and we will prove that in November. But please face the facts that they are going tobe really good, you will save yourself the aggravation.
Fair enough.
I think he’ll be a better player than cam Reddish this year. I think Richards will be one of if not the best centers in the country. 7’, 36 in vertical, soft touch and good jump shot for a big. I think Reddish is overhyped a bit. Good player. I’m guessing he’ll have a solid year and still be able to go lottery based on his potential as a 6’7 2 guard that can also play some point. Lot of upside there. Just the few times I’ve watched him he seems slow to me.
Jmo.
Stop it. Stop making us UK fans look like idiots for the love of god. Reddish is going to be one of the top 3 options for Duke... Richards will be the 5th option if not the 7th-9th option for UK..... To say he's going to be better this year than Reddish is idiotic
Richards certainly wasn’t the 5th option in the Bahamas was he?
#3 scorer in only 18 minutes a game while shooting 80% against legit big men.
At least we played Mega they could have played Carleton. We played men, guys that had played in the NBA and that will. Their playing kids their same age that suck!
Since all you puke turds are here so much would you do
Me a solid and tell me where all you fudgepackers are watching the game in Indy.
I will be there bar hopping looking to rile up some of you 40 year old virgins.
I would be playing horrible college teams and getting 1 players face smashed in and big bad Bolden has 0pts in 2 games LOL.
You’re exactly right. We all want them to suck, but it’s stupid to think they will. They will be really good like usual. Here’s the thing, if we think we have the best team, and the best coach, which, according to all of our fans we do, and Duke wins the title this season for the fourth time since 2001, well, we have to take a major ego fall and keep our mouths shut.
The 6-foot-7 Barrett went for 35 points, 9 boards and 3 assists on 15-of-25 shooting and Williamson had 24 points, 8 rebounds and 2 steals as Duke rolled Toronto, 96-60, on Friday night.
then UK wins on both sides of the argument
UK has more overall starting talent and depth then Duke does
i am not sure how you can even begin to argue that
They have the three top recruits! They will be good but, their ooc schedule will make them look better than they are. It’s one thing to get the three top players but how do they compliment each other or fit together. They all are SF’s. It would be one thing if one was a pg, wing, and a big! They had a way better team last year and they didn’t win the acc, the acc championship or the national championship!
Last year’s team was more complete. Anyone with basketball knowledge can see this. Can’t wait to shut them up in November. Herro is gonna be lit. Tag me in this post. Bring it back up. @Mike-D
Last years team was well rounded but it didn’t have any versatile wings on it. They’re starting lineup all year was three guards and two bigs. This year they’ll be more versatile and switchable but have much less of an inside presence.
So you agree with me on Reddish. Great. Makes you wonder why even dispute the point to start.
Duke is better this year because they have a true pg, their wings can get their shot whenever they want as opposed to being fed, and this team can guard and actually play m2m while switching everything like K likes.
Now does that mean they’ll win it all? Nah. But they have as good a shot as anyone.
I can begin by pointing out that Duke’s starting lineup has 3 top 10 picks and uk’s doesn’t even have one player in the lottery. Of course both of those statements are based on current projections and subject to serious change but it puts a massive hole in your starting talent claim. The guys who get paid to evaluate and acquire talent feel very differently.
We had 2 lotto picks last year as did duke and k state and Kansas had zero. It doesn’t always translate.
As I have said before, Duke will have the three best players on the floor every time they take the floor this year.
If the game was 3 on 3, Duke goes 40-0.
But luckily for the rest of the country, the game is played 5 on 5.
If the game was 3 on 3, Duke goes 40-0.
But luckily for the rest of the country, the game is played 5 on 5.
PG - any point guard that will start at UK is better than jones - UK
SG - Barrett -vs- Herro - Duke
SF - Reddish -vs- Johnson - UK (possible push, but KJ just has a much better motor)
PF - Williamson -vs- Washington - push (sure Zion is a freak but PJ just has more basketball skills)
C - any center that UK starts is better than any center Duke starts - UK
Bench - do you even want to go there - huge advantage - UK
draft picks are based on potential, not how good or bad they are right now, you should know that
Did Villanova’s title team have top ten NBA picks smart guy? Nope. Does having top ten NBA picks necessarily equate to starting team talent? Nope. You have simple arguments. Are you that simple minded? Yes, clearly.
Further, the guys who get paid to evaluate talent for the NBA fail often and largely.
Lol, what?
First off, when did I disagree with you or dispute the point?
Duval was about as true a point guard as it gets he just sucked as a shooter. Had great speed, court awareness and vision. Not to mention he looked to pass first and score second. Btw, Grayson Allen could play point any time needed. He did it several times over three years and generated some nice numbers doing it. Also, Allen and Trent Jr. Could create for themselves without much issue. Bagley and Carter needed some help being fed down low, but both were also comfortable handling the ball and driving the lane at times.
I'm not really sure where you think this team will be better from that aspect. Jones, while a true pg, looks to score first and pass second. That can be adjusted, but takes time. Barrett, as demonstrated in the first game, is not a solid setup man and is prone to turnovers at a high clip. He also plays 1 on 1 too much and takes a lot of ill-advised shots. Zion can handle the ball, but it remains to be seen how he does against real competition. I think longer players are going to bother him some. Reddish can handle the ball, setup for himself and others, but he likes to shoot a good deal too. Will be interesting to see how that shakes out. He also seems to lack a solid motor and gets passive.
In reality, you all need all 4 of your main guys (all freshman btw) to avg at least 15 pts a game and hope you can scrounge together 15 - 20 from the rest of the team per game. Even at that, you would only avg around 80 pts a game, which is quite a bit less than your team last year. Personally, I just don't see how this works out well for you all. Against crap teams you'll be fine, but any team with a good defense or depth should be able to have success against you all.
You'll face a lot of zone and teams are going to make you all beat them with long 2's and 3's. Again, you lack shooters to be able to do this consistently. Teams also know they can foul you more because you don't seem to have a lot of good ft shooters either.