And other times it's just because they are careless with the ball.
Considering that Kstate is 4th in the nation in steals, I'm sure that played a small part in all of this.
It's not like we haven't had turnover issues this season.
PJ missed 13 FT's. It's that simple
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And other times it's just because they are careless with the ball.
Considering that Kstate is 4th in the nation in steals, I'm sure that played a small part in all of this.
It's not like we haven't had turnover issues this season.
Right.
Once you are in the bonus, you need to get your guards/shooters to the Ft line.
He was successful running off some screens, but on the first one they called an iffy offensive foul. After that, it was mostly jumpers.
Yeah I’ve dissected through everything I can, but PJ just needed to hit a few more free throws and it’s our game
Like I said, you’ve made my point.
A lot of hacking and grabbing by K state.
Over 50 fouls called in this game. In the first half, Shai got all or almost all his points from the line.
But at the end, for the last several minutes, despite 50+ fouls in the game, nobody expect PJ gets to the line.
Plus front end of one and ones, like a turnover, thanks PJ. Your dads a coach, please if you stay take 100 FTs a day, F***!
Shai started playing better when the ball was being pushed and UK played faster. Then when they'd be up and he'd go into pick and roll action he could play in halfcourt. This walking the ball up garbage was pure trash tonight. Heinous to watch and let a less talented team dictate tempo and control entire game. No pressing? No pushing after long rebs off missed 3's?
PJ Washington didn't lose the game alone, but he contributed and it's not the first time he's gagged at the FT line. He's has a bad habit of it and all the mean mugging in the world doesn't help you when you are alone at the line and can't dunk the ball.
Quade Green's shot attempt was the head scratcher...wow. Kevin Knox doesn't touch the ball late in a 1 possession game. And he's off to the NBA. Inexcusable.
PJ Washington didn't lose the game alone, but he contributed and it's not the first time he's gagged at the FT line. He's has a bad habit of it and all the mean mugging in the world doesn't help you when you are alone at the line and can't dunk the ball.
Quade Green's shot attempt was the head scratcher...wow. Kevin Knox doesn't touch the ball late in a 1 possession game. And he's off to the NBA. Inexcusable.
The saddest part of the season is that some players showed a tad bit of life at the end to think they should go pro......if we get gutted, next year could be scary bad. But if we lose those that should go, then we will be great next year. That is why I am not sure how devastating this loss is....
That is what I kept saying it was like the refs figured out in the first half that Shai was going to hit his free throws. Now maybe K-State was coached to not foul him, but they road him pretty hard anytime he tried to penetrate! But the refs sure didn't beat us tonight. We beat ourselves, love our kids but we just didn't have it tonight. If we play them a seven game series we beat them 5 times but that is not the way it works in the NCAA Tournament.
Some were the front end of one and ones. Could have missed more. Certainly denied additional point production with some of his misses.
You can only surmise that. A rebound with missed free throws counts the s@me as a turnover. Zero production. Advantage to your opponent
I expect PJ to return. He has got to use this as motivation to work hard on his free throws. If he comes back with the same bad free throw stats, I'll be disappointed.
Would love to see PJ get the ball, take one bounce and pull the trigger. It's painful to watch, like he's freezing himself.
It was a bad night. I agree with everything you said.
It's also worth noting that outside of PJ, we shot 15/17 from the FT Line.
It's a shame that we couldn't get anyone else to the line down the stretch. And I don't believe that I was the only one who noticed this as it was happening.
Just stop with the it was a conspiracy to send Washington to the line type of thinking. Only one person was consistently attacking the basket. Washington. Only one person was fighting for rebounds. Washington. It’s certaibly within reason that he shot a ton of free throws. He’s the only player who played with any type of aggression and played through contact. Everyone else turtled up. SGA played soft. It’s notnreally Knox’s game to attack the rim.
Call it what you want.
It's fascinating to me when you've got a team of great free throw shooting guards, are in the bonus early, but they don't sniff the line.
I'm happy if you want to lay it squarely on the feet of the coach, I don't care.
The fact is that for some reason, we couldn't get anyone else (15-17 from the line) to the line down the stretch. Even on a rebounding foul, or something on the perimeter.
Meanwhile, Diallo gets called for a foul when KSU player is trying to save a ball inbounds, KSU gets marched 94 feet twice in the second half, etc.
When you have a team in the bonus, you attack with your guards. I have agreed with people that questioned why Knox wasn't posting up.
But nonetheless, it happened.
However, people tend to write narratives based upon results, and not always what actually happened.
In the 2004 Finals, the Lakers didn't get to shoot free throws, apparently because they didn't attack the basket. So, ESPN shows clips of Kobe missing perimeter jumpers. It supports the narrative. They didn't show video of Shaq getting hacked and not getting to the line.
In 2006, Dwyane Wade gets marched to the line, in Dallas, largely from getting "bumped" on the perimeter. Often, he was pushing off. But hey, Dwyane Wade was "aggressive".
Kentucky played poorly last night. I wouldn't say that they "deserved" to win. I do, however, think that the refs did a nice job of keeping it close by making sure that KSU got marched to the line on a lot of questionable calls. That happened.
And for some reason, KY couldn't find a way to get it's best shooters to the FT line, despite the fact that this included our primary ball handler. (Who, somehow, when we were down by a lot in the first half, managed to get to the line a few times in relatively short succession - just not when the game was close at the end).
Free throughs? Really? Even someone with just 13 posts should be able to do better than this. Maybe you should stick with foul shots.
The drive by Brown at the end was too easy. It seemed like the defensive intensity and effort was not there. I was suprised by that.
People that have unusually large hands are usually poor free throw shooters & shooters in general. It might be something that practice cannot fix.
I'm more pissed he volleyball spiked Brown's shot out of bounds on purpose with 50 seconds to go and the score tied instead of just tipping it to Knox like he had plenty of time to do. That allowed K-State to keep possession and they subsequently scored to go ahead for good.
Y'all do realize that was a mistake right? Not a lack of effort. There wasn't a conscious, "oh, well, I think I'll let him go. *yawn*". There was a failure of the defense to rotate on that play. Another thing that might have escaped some of you is that these guys are human. They do occasionally make mistakes. Now, I know some can't understand this as they NEVER make a mistake, but it does happen to the more pedestrian among us. Tends to happen more in kids.
Or maybe you don't know it was a mistake. That in itself explains SO much.
I don't believe Knox has posted up all season and I have never understood why? He's 6/9.
Completely serious question: Do you think it was a mistake when he blocked it out of bounds, or do you think he was trying to smack it as far and hard as he could? (Hint: Watch the replay a few times before you answer.)
My point is, Washington (but it could have been anybody) didn't have to intentionally block it out of bounds. He was coming from the weak side and had all the time in the world to do what he wanted with that shot -- including tipping/blocking it to Knox -- but he chose to send it flying into the third row. Sure the crowd goes wild and it looks great on replay and it gives you the chance to glower menacingly at the poor short little bastard you blocked, but that's it.
OTOH, it sure would have been nice to have gained possession of the ball with a tie score and 50 seconds left on the clock instead of allowing K-State to keep possession and subsequently score. I hate the intentional block out of bounds. It's a show-off move, like an unnecessary behind-the-back pass, that accomplishes NOTHING except for giving your opponent another chance to score.
I'm not blaming Washington, it's what players do nowadays. But damn, it's an idiotic play that coaches tolerate for no good reason. Hell, at least make an attempt to control the block instead of just smacking it out of bounds on purpose like an idiot. Tell me what exactly did that do? Nothing, that's what. If he had lightly blocked it, the shot still wouldn't have gone in and we'd have gotten possession. (And before you say it intimidates the other team, lemme ask you this: Did Brown look intimidated when he drove in for the game winning layup after having his shot volleyballed just 30 seconds earlier?).
It seems some people have an agenda against Cal. I don't understand it.
Do you realize how hard it is to control a block, particularly if you have a bunch of adrenaline on board? Clearly not after your post. Anthony Davis is the great exception. So, i’d consider it a mistake if he was one of the few that can control the block. If he can’t, then he was in the right by removing the ball from play. The exuberant removal is pretty much irrelevant so low as the ball is not playable.
If he felt he could not control the block but made a futile attempt to do so and the ball landed in the hands of KS, then that is the worst possible outcome save not making the play at all.
Keep in mind, he has maybe a tenth of a second to make this decision and execute it.
Why don't they show Anthony Davis's blocking the shot and gaining possession of the ball at the same time? I know that none of our players are as good as he was, but at least show them the video, so maybe they could learn to do the same.
Most of these are trolls having a blast. Almost all the rest are fans those self importance is predicated on the success of this ball team. The ones in this sad shape are desperate to place blame because of their loss of self esteem. As a result they lash out at kids and coaches for the perceived failure. Rather pathetic.
It’s actually not hard at all...especially if you work on it in practice. Take a basketball, toss it up with one hand and then hit it with the other. How hard is it to lightly tap it instead of smacking the ever loving **** out of it?
Irrelevant? You do realize that K-State subsequently scored the winning goal on that possession, don’t you? Seems pretty relevant to me.
This is just flat out wrong. Washington had PLENTY of time to decide what to do. He KNEW he was gonna try to block that shot from the time he came over to help out and, ON THAT PARTICULAR PLAY, he could have easily deflected to ball to Knox. It’s not even a close call.
Watch the entire play...
Brown was directly in front of Washington and he (PJ) had an unobstructed view of it as it developed. If it’s your opinion that Washington had no choice (or time, what was that? 1/10th of a second?) except to smack the ball out of bounds then you’re the one who’s clueless — and completely so.
Thought that was the one you were talking about. Good block. He rotated properly. 2 was very well positioned for a follow-up three had he botched it. He removed the ball from play. In December he would have failed to get himself in a position to make the play. I was wrong on one point. I don’t believe he thought he would make contact. He did not have even a tenth to decide.
Dude you are struggling for examples if that’s all you got. Or just barking, which is the more likely explanation.