Cal needs to change his philosophy
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Abridging the freedom of speech would be a good place for you to start...thus is an opinion board and as long as you abide by the rules you are allowed to state what you want and just because clowns like you don't like them is not grounds for him to be banded at least until you are elected king
How would Alabama react if they had only one championship to show for all their recruiting success. Would they want to Farr Saban? Lol
Obviously expecting multiple championships every 6-7 years is unrealistic in a vacuum. Like many have pointed out, we have 8 titles in 70+ years of the NCAA Tournament. Up until 2011, we had gone 13 years without even making the FF... so perspective is important.
HOWEVER, I do lend just a little bit of credence to the OP's sentiment due to the fact that we've had *far and away* the best team in the country three times under Calipari now (2010, 2012, 2015) and despite that have only one title to show for it. Not to mention the 2011 and 2014 teams were right there with a great opportunity to steal a title in down seasons for CBB... again, came up short. So keeping those facts in mind, a little bit of frustration is understandable.
Does Cal need to completely overhaul his approach towards recruiting and encouraging guys to come back and improve if they're not a sure-fire first rounder? No, I wouldn't say that. Not a complete overhaul, but I do think he could alter his thinking/methods in this area very slightly and it could make a world of difference in terms of the overall results.
HOWEVER, I do lend just a little bit of credence to the OP's sentiment due to the fact that we've had *far and away* the best team in the country three times under Calipari now (2010, 2012, 2015) and despite that have only one title to show for it. Not to mention the 2011 and 2014 teams were right there with a great opportunity to steal a title in down seasons for CBB... again, came up short. So keeping those facts in mind, a little bit of frustration is understandable.
Does Cal need to completely overhaul his approach towards recruiting and encouraging guys to come back and improve if they're not a sure-fire first rounder? No, I wouldn't say that. Not a complete overhaul, but I do think he could alter his thinking/methods in this area very slightly and it could make a world of difference in terms of the overall results.
No. No no it's not 1 in 5 years it's 1 in 5 top rated, number one classes he's had at UK. We are paying cal like an NBA coach so having high expectations are in order. It is disappointing we do not have one more championship with the classes cal has brought in.
No Cal would find another job..Otis might be needing one they seem to like our ex's:basketball::boxing::smiley::sunglasses:
OK sure so who on our team last year would you not have signed?
I think cal needs to change his defensive strategy or tweak it a little bit. Teams take advantage of his switch everything man to man defense. They know they can create mis-matches and I really think that's what kept us from beating Wisconsin last season.
Exactly. I have no problem recruiting 1-3 one and done players but you have to have a mix of experience in with them. Unfortunately the experience on the team this year just didn't seem to care. I for one hope Lee and Skal leave this year. Lee is useless unless it's a lob or put back. I'd like to see 2 one and done's each year with experience the rest of the time. Yes everyone else is recruiting the same players we are but no one else is rotating their teams each year.
Cal is paid to recruit and put the team in the best possible position to win championships. Actually winning them regardless of recruiting classes is extremely difficult. Most years the number 1 team in the country doesn't win the championship whether it be UK or someone else. In a one and done tournament, things happen. Cal is living up to expectations to everyone (or at least most everyone) except you. You are the only one disappointed in Cal's performance. You have to be a troll. If you aren't a troll, then I certainly question your mental faculties because you seriously can't be that stupid.
And yes it is still 1 in 5 championships and 4 in 5 final fours...Those are pretty damn good numbers.
What I see every year when I watch the tournament is that we don't have a monopoly on good college basketball players! There are good players every where! I do wish we had a better balance of veterans and freshmen but I don't know how you get it! I thought the platoon system would be the trick, because surely they all couldn't go pro in the same year but they darn near did!
I just read the first amendment again, and I'll be damned if I can find any mention of opinion boards, clowns, kings or of being banded <sic>.
When winning the SEC championship in basketball guarantees you a place in the national championship game without first playing through five rounds of a single-elimination tournament, then this will be a valid comparison.
Until that point, it's apples and oranges.
Cal has just as many championships as Hall, Pitino, and tubby. hall was here 13 years pintino 8 tubby 10. I mean rupp was here for 41 years and only had 4 titles. He can coach and can develop players, and can recruit. We had 7 players leave last year. Do you all think we would have won if johnson had stayed? what about the twins? were they better guards then Tyler and Murray? what we needed were some bigs. and can anyone name a big the should have come back that would have helped us win this season.
9 out of every 10 people don't understand the first amendment. They think it gives them the right to free speech everywhere and under every circumstance.
And it cracks me up every time I see someone on this very board cry "1st amendment". It happens seemingly once a month, at least.
I didn't ready your post. Just read the title and realized what a foolish statement it was likely to be so I didn't wast my time.
While I would agree that we had the best team in the three years you referenced above, I would disagree that we were "*far and away*" the best team. Even when looking at last year's team, I'd put both Wisconsin and Duke in the same class. We were better, but not by a large margin.
At any rate, I would be curious to know your answer to the following question. Since the tournament was expanded to 64 teams, what percentage of the time did the best team actually win the tournent? How you answer that would help me understand where you are coming from a bit better.
Because I look at those same three teams and I see an Elite Eight appearance, a National Title, and a Final Four appearance, which to me is a sign that those teams largely delivered. I don't see that as requiring a change, because it seems to me his system is working excellently. No system will ever be 100% accurate.
I don't think anyone should be banned but let's not kid ourselves. This is not a legit discussion. In fact it's pretty silly. Only coach K has more titles than Cal does and by the way he recruits one and dones as well.
No way we should win 38 games and then lose? Where did this silliness come from. The fact that Wisconsin was the 3rd best team in the country should matter right. The fact that college is one loss and you're done shouldn't mean anything either I guess.
Cal has 1 title in just 7 years here. That rate exceeds even Rupps career average.
Besides you are factually wrong. We do have seniors and it's the seniors that didn't show up. The one and dones carried us against IU but you are saying we should recruit fewer Jamal Murray's and more Marcus Lee's? That just stupid. It really is. If anything we needed more one and dones not fewer.
Cal absolutely does not push kids out the door. Look at Ben Simmons. Who is pushing him out the door? I guess it's Cal as well right? The fact is the NBA is drafting players earlier and earlier. It is standard now for the top players to go pro after one year. The only thing Cal and Coach K have done is to build a system that allows that to actually work instead of flaming out Ben Simmons style.
And if you want to return to 4 year players I suggest you become a fan of Transy or something. That day has come and went for major programs. The only SEC teams that will load up on 4 year players are the ones that suck.
So there you have it!!!! ON A FREE MESSAGE BOARD you get to play king and ban a guy who VOICED HIS OPINION and broke NO board rules...maybe you need to read some more...totally stupid and you want to rip this man/ woman
It's unfortunate that we have fans like the OP. They pine for the 'good ole days' when basketball players wore short shorts and stuck around for 4 years, even the top prospects. Unfortunately, those days are gone and no matter how much you try to disparage Coach Cal it won't change that fact. Which is exactly why Duke changed their recruiting focus, why Kansas changed theirs and why all the top programs are trying to get OAD players...you are not going to win very many championships or get to FF's with 4 year college players.
Those days are gone. Cal will continue to recruit the best of the best and keep taking UK to Final Fours and winning championships. But unfortunately that doesn't happen every year. Sorry you can't sit on the toilet and read about your favorite top 10 player coming back for their senior year. If you want that, maybe go follow UL and you can read up on Biggus Anus and how his 4.9 pts per game is gonna lead them to a title because he's a senior.
Those days are gone. Cal will continue to recruit the best of the best and keep taking UK to Final Fours and winning championships. But unfortunately that doesn't happen every year. Sorry you can't sit on the toilet and read about your favorite top 10 player coming back for their senior year. If you want that, maybe go follow UL and you can read up on Biggus Anus and how his 4.9 pts per game is gonna lead them to a title because he's a senior.
So what you're saying is we need a 4 year Wall, Cousins, Davis, and KAT?
I like that strategy
Last years class had 3 oad's maybe two if Briscoe stays. Mathews, Humphries and Wynard are all multi year players. Cal has also brought in other players he expected to stay but left.
The fallacy is equating #1 recruiting class with an expectation to win an NCAA Championship. #1 recruiting class means you have some talented kids with a lot of potential to be really good in the future. You would be the overwhelming favorite to win the national high school championship. However, It certainly does not mean - by any stretch of the imagination - that you have the best team in college basketball. In fact, if you're a coach that is starting and relying on 4-5 freshmen, and your team is ranked in the top 10 pre-season, it probably means some writers don't like you and are hoping to make you look bad. Sure, if that talent stayed all 4 years (or even 3 years) and you still couldn't win more than your fair share, then you're probably not doing a bang up coaching job.
In my mind, however, what makes Calipari great and his teams so interesting to watch, is that he can regularly take a team of juvenile talent and turn it into a legitimate contender against veteran teams by the end of the season. If you can't enjoy that process - if you live and die with every game and consider any year that doesn't end in a championship a failure - then I see your dilemma with a Calipari team. Calipari's best freshmen are always going to be very good, not fully developed, prognositcators of their eventual ability. Sometimes that will be good enough, usually it won't. But, I think it gives UK a better chance to win it all year-in-and-year-out than anyone else enjoys.
Dude's a walking Fox News parody. Anything he doesn't like is a "liberal" or "Democrat and of course he doesn't understand the Constitution. I can't stand people who get political over everything. Both sides are **** and blindly supporting either one shows a lack of intelligence as far I'm concerned.
I can't believe how many people are so dumb they don't realize the first amendment protects the speaker from punishment from the U.S. government. It means freedom to speak without being jailed by the feds, but doesn't mean speech without consequence. And it certainly doesn't mean you can say anything to anyone without repercussions.
So, slugger, turn off the Hannity and pick up a book. Or read the damn Constitution.
I have done both smart boy and I will ask once again , on WHAT GROUNDS do you ban the OP? He has broken NO board rules and simply because he expresses an opinion you don't like you and a few more lap dogs want to ban him, why? And once again I do not agree with him, but I respect his right to do so. Why don't you? What are you afraid of?
Easy there, Sparky! I never said anyone should be banned. If you can find the quote where I said that please copy it in your reply.
I didn't even join this thread except to point out that no one's first amendments rights are being violated here, even if they happen to be banned. And I didn't address the OP. I addressed YOU. You, like so many others, misuse the claim to first amendment rights. The first amendment begins with my most favorite 5 words, "Congress shall make no law...". Congress! In other words, you are free to speak out on this forum or on a street corner and condemn your Government. And as long as you are breaking no other civil laws like blocking traffic, obstructing official business or threatening violence no one can charge you and put you in jail for it. It does not say that Cats Illustrated shall ban no poster. Whomever runs this site is free to delete any post and ban any poster. And no one's first amendment rights will have been violated.
Now do you get it?
Of course if you still think you are free to say what you want, to whom you want, with no repercussions please feel free to test it out. Walk right into your boss's office and tell him or her that he or she a fat, lazy, butt-ugly, malodorous, buffoon that lacks the skills to run a McDonald's deep fryer, let alone manage over you. Let us know how that work's out fer ya!
Look we are on the same page here I think. My simple take on this is that this poster, of which I have said I disagree, has broken NO rules to be banned from this site, but yet some on here don't want to allow this individual to express his opinion because he questions Cal and would like to see him do things differently. What is wrong with that?
On last night's Call In Show, Cal says he never re-watches the losses. Now, I am a huge Cal fan and certainly know he's the best, but it might do good to re-watch (especially the last few minutes of) his final games in '08, '10, '11, '14, '15 and '16. I think there's some lessons to be learned, some stats to study, some situations to look for that might prove beneficial in a close late-game situation. At the risk of quoting RP after our 1995 loss to NC, sometimes you need to evaluate what went wrong in hopes that "it never happens again" even if it's a new group of players. After the A&M comeback the other night, it was demonstrated that it's very possible to turn things around quickly (and they didn't play "foul ball"). That's my two cents. Having said that, I realize a coach can't get on the floor and force a player to change habits the coaches have tried to correct all season. Cal is the very best and I hope we fans realize how spoiled we are
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More than anything he needs to change his recruiting philosophy.
No more big guys who are great athletes, but have no basketball skills.
No more guards that are poor shooters and can't hit free throws.
If you're only going to have guys for a year or two, you don't have the luxury of spending a lot of time developing them.
No more big guys who are great athletes, but have no basketball skills.
No more guards that are poor shooters and can't hit free throws.
If you're only going to have guys for a year or two, you don't have the luxury of spending a lot of time developing them.
I disagree. Players have developed a lot during the one season with Cal. Jamal Murray isn't even close to the same player he was back in November. Even Skal improved a lot. He was just further behind than expected. I agree that a guard shooting %30 from the free throw line is not what you want but let's be honest that was a quirk. It's not like all his guards do that. Most of Cal's guards are easily hitting %70 or more from the line and at least %35 from 3.
I don't think he should be banned either. There was only one or two people who posted that the mods should ban the OP. My point was that it is not a first amendment issue. You can be banned on this board if you post that you prefer redheads to blondes, if the mods want to do it.
First, I do not hate you for this thread. You are entitled to your opinion. I am not going to hate anyone, just for being wrong.
But, I look at it differently than you do. It is almost like you hold it against Cal for having great recruiting classes. Would it have been ok if he had only had 5 top 20 classes, and had 4 final fours and 1 championship? Look, just because you recruit players that are rated high, out of HS does not guarantee you a NC. It simply says that Cal's recruiting is at a high level, but so is several other schools, and yes, sometimes freshmen do not quite perform as well as juniors and seniors, but can get drafted on potential. I would much rather him recruit kids with a lot of talent, than to recruit 4 year players, who may not work out, and are stuck with them for 4 years. Cal is not going to win a NC every year, with the way he recruits, but he is going to be in the hunt, almost every year. I can live with that. Adolph did not win every year, and he was the top recruiter of his day. But, he was in the hunt every year, and that is what you should try to attain. Then, with a little luck, you win one, now and then. And for the record, I am optimistic about next year. Very, very optimistic.Only those who are either trolls or have unrealistic expectations talk about it. We have been to 4 Final Fours in 7 years which we were never able to do under Pitino, Smith, Sutton or Hall. Yes 2 of those 7 years we had the best team and were the favorite to win it but guess what the favorite doesn't always win it in a one and gone situation. If this were like the NBA and you play a 7 game series we would have probably won 3 titles. If you don't like having superior talent that could leave after the first year I am sure Card Nation would gladly accept you into their fold where a 4 year player is the norm.