What's he suppose to change? You keep complaining about it so lets hear your master plan?
Cal needs to change his philosophy
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3 Thoughts:
1) Yeah, we should have at least one more title. It is disappointing that we don't.
2) I love FF's and I love the fact that next year we have a legit shot at a title with the players coming in.
3) I do hope Cal can "tweak" something or another and get us that elusive number 9.
1) Yeah, we should have at least one more title. It is disappointing that we don't.
2) I love FF's and I love the fact that next year we have a legit shot at a title with the players coming in.
3) I do hope Cal can "tweak" something or another and get us that elusive number 9.
I agree OP. I knew our title hopes were taking a hit when we went from Vinny Zollo and Dakotah Euton to John Wall and Demarcus Cousins.
it has never been about who's coming in, but rather who's coming back...
I'm all for getting the best talent possible...but I also believe that new talent needs some old talent to come back...no one in their right mind is going to try and say a top 20 or better lock should come back...but the guy or guys who are second round and may even go undrafted...there is a discussion to be had there...
we could talk about all the recruits Cal missed out on this past year especially the big guys...but his biggest misses were Dakari Johnson and Aaron Harrison...I think Dakari was rushed by the wrong people and didn't get all the appropriate feedback from the right kinds of people...I think Aaron was probably mislead as well but ultimately left because his brother left...
bottom line...we're still dancing with those two...Ulis, Murray, Harrison, AP, DJ...we don't get dominated down low and we have another guard to take and make big shots which would have taken some pressure off Ulis and Murray...but hind sight is 20/20...
I'm all for getting the best talent possible...but I also believe that new talent needs some old talent to come back...no one in their right mind is going to try and say a top 20 or better lock should come back...but the guy or guys who are second round and may even go undrafted...there is a discussion to be had there...
we could talk about all the recruits Cal missed out on this past year especially the big guys...but his biggest misses were Dakari Johnson and Aaron Harrison...I think Dakari was rushed by the wrong people and didn't get all the appropriate feedback from the right kinds of people...I think Aaron was probably mislead as well but ultimately left because his brother left...
bottom line...we're still dancing with those two...Ulis, Murray, Harrison, AP, DJ...we don't get dominated down low and we have another guard to take and make big shots which would have taken some pressure off Ulis and Murray...but hind sight is 20/20...
Must be a Democrat...don't agree with OP ,but the last time I checked HRC or crazy Bernie aren't in charge yet so at the moment we still have a 1st amendment right..
A 5:1 ratio is crazy good. 2 championships every 10 years! Sign me up.
This is a ridiculous take. Does the OP not know that Calipari has honest conversations with his underclassmen every year? That these conversations include his frank appraisal of their talent and draftability? Calipari will straight up tell a recruit if they are ready or not ready and it is up to the recruit to decide if he is going to take that advice. Players at every program have 100% freedom to make this choice already, so this is not anything unique to Kentucky. What makes Cal different is that his players know he is telling them the truth about their talent and not just telling them to come back to school to keep the team better. Recruits and their families know this.
Take Cal with Ulis. Ulis is the kind of player who may have considered coming back next year. But Cal has been encouraging him to go pro because of his readiness to do so--maybe even more so than Ulis believes.
Some recruits have not followed Cal's advice and they are paying for it. Others have listened to Cal's advice and they are the better for it.
Wouldn't trade Cal's approach for anything. What I would trade is players' grandiose estimations of their abilities. But that is not Calipari's fault--it existed long before he came to UK.
Take Cal with Ulis. Ulis is the kind of player who may have considered coming back next year. But Cal has been encouraging him to go pro because of his readiness to do so--maybe even more so than Ulis believes.
Some recruits have not followed Cal's advice and they are paying for it. Others have listened to Cal's advice and they are the better for it.
Wouldn't trade Cal's approach for anything. What I would trade is players' grandiose estimations of their abilities. But that is not Calipari's fault--it existed long before he came to UK.
Not if he would have RS a year like he had to transferring, but I think it worked out the best for him
Why exactly "SHOULD" we have more titles?
Winning titles isn't easy.
This is a one and done tournament. The best team doesn't always win.
You could only make the case we had the best teams in 10,12, and 15. We won it one out of the 3 years.
And let's be honest......it's not like Duke and Wisconsin weren't close to us in 15. Even if we did have the best team, it wasn't by much
Winning titles isn't easy.
This is a one and done tournament. The best team doesn't always win.
You could only make the case we had the best teams in 10,12, and 15. We won it one out of the 3 years.
And let's be honest......it's not like Duke and Wisconsin weren't close to us in 15. Even if we did have the best team, it wasn't by much
Did I enjoy the days when guys stayed for 3 and 4 years...absolutely, but those days for major college basketball are done when you get the best. Here is the thing about Cal....he develops talent better than anyone. A guy like Booker was never looked at as a one and done prior to coming to UK. He comes in, has an amazing opportunity and leaves...and I don't blame him one bit.
Am I frustrated that we've only won 1 title since Cal arrived? Yes. Should he change his philosophy on recruiting and recruit lesser talented players? No.
OP, sit back and enjoy the most remarkable stretch of UK basketball since the late 40's/early 50's. You would have been miserable in the Rupp and Pitino days.
Am I frustrated that we've only won 1 title since Cal arrived? Yes. Should he change his philosophy on recruiting and recruit lesser talented players? No.
OP, sit back and enjoy the most remarkable stretch of UK basketball since the late 40's/early 50's. You would have been miserable in the Rupp and Pitino days.
Totally agree. With Cal we know he is going to get good citizens plus great ball players. So what if they only stay one year. The other top programs are recruiting the same kids. Enjoy Cal while we still have him. He has UK basketball as the top story for all the good reasons - unlike Pitino and the other school down the road.
If only we could go back to the days of Shera Thomas and Michael Porter....those were our golden days! It's hard to argue, when people talk about that intelligence of some of our fans. Seriously, one of the worst takes I've read on here!
So you would rather have 3-4 years players (just to get to know them) and wait 3-4 years to make a good run at the Championship. Then do what Cal is doing now and make the Final Four 3 out of the last 4 years. Makes a lot of sense???
Jon...next year will be no different than Cals first. He will have a brand new team. I think you directly addressed my frustration. Every season is a rebuilding season. The program reboots every season under cal with the exception of 2014-2015. We don't get to watch out teams progress. You can say I look crazy but we have had big time teams lay big time eggs. And who knows next year or the year after bc they will be another reboot.you really like that?
Tubby had lots of upperclassmen. Only won one title, but not with players he recruited.
With his players...no final fours.
The reason Ulis came to UK was because he was tired of coaches telling him he was a four-year player. If you wanted Cal to tell Ulis to come back, we would never have had him at all.
No next year won't be just like Cal's first. This program was at an all time low and he turned it around in 3 months. That doesn't have to happen next season and it won't be all completely new. Several players from this team will be back next year. You're sitting here wringing your hands generalizing things that don't happen every year. Sure he loses players to the nba each season but it's not 7 players every year. This season followed the biggest exit of players since his arrival and still yet two days ago many thought his team could win it all. He doesn't need four years to build a team but it doesn't matter who he gets, or how long they stay they're not winning a championship every other year like you suggest they have to. That is the part that make you look silly.
The OP is everything that is wrong with the bad UK fan....we tried his plan with Tubby and went thge longest stretch ever without a Final Four. With according to most UK fans the greatest bench Coach ever.
All you can ask is to be in the hunt...its a random tourney and anything can happen.
All you can ask is to be in the hunt...its a random tourney and anything can happen.
Actually Cal has gone for guys that he thinks will be multi year players. They just sometimes leave earlier than expected.
Did anybody think Ulis was only a two year player? I'm pretty sure I remember Devin Booker rising up the draft charts as well.
Did anybody think Ulis was only a two year player? I'm pretty sure I remember Devin Booker rising up the draft charts as well.
The program did not totally reboot in 2011-2012 either. It really didn't in 2009-2010 either as we had a lot of guys coming back that were bench players and even 2 starters in Miller and Patterson. Coincidentally UK dominated those 3 years we listed.
This is one of dumbest and most moronic posts I have ever seen on here.
Exactly how does the 1st amendment apply to posting on a message board forum?
I don't agree with the OP, but I do understand one part of his post: getting to know the players and watching them develop. I too used to read my Cat's Pause Yearbook, and waited anxiously each week for the weekly edition. That was a different time, and I understand that, but it was a GOOD time because players back then stayed 4 years and you got to know them.
Those times have passed, and now in order to compete we HAVE TO recruit the one and done guys, that's just the way it is. Those of us who are older fondly remember a time when the program was "different", when the players became "family", and you could watch them progress and learn for four years.
No, Cal is doing it the right way, but like a lot of fans I do question some of his coaching tactics, and I think that is fair game.
Looking forward to next season and hoping we have a good frontline.
Peace, WW.
Those times have passed, and now in order to compete we HAVE TO recruit the one and done guys, that's just the way it is. Those of us who are older fondly remember a time when the program was "different", when the players became "family", and you could watch them progress and learn for four years.
No, Cal is doing it the right way, but like a lot of fans I do question some of his coaching tactics, and I think that is fair game.
Looking forward to next season and hoping we have a good frontline.
Peace, WW.
Meanwhile on the Spartan board someone is probably stating the same re: Izzo. He needs to change his philosophy too. Recruits all these 4 year players and only one title.
Izzo needs to recruit one and dones.
I know! Cal needs to become Izzo and Izzo needs to become Cal!
Izzo needs to recruit one and dones.
I know! Cal needs to become Izzo and Izzo needs to become Cal!
I wouldn't trade Cal for any other coach. So tired of hearing how great Izzo is so it was great to see them choke. Surely, the OP isn't serious? Please tell me which program do you want him to emulate? Considering we have a chance to win it almost every year I'm ecstatic! Serious question though, who would you rather have coaching at UK?
That 1 coach also has opening round losses to LeHigh ad Mercer since Cal has been here, so...
Our previous coach was recruiting the talent of dakota euton, vinny zollo, and many other mid major talents......so while i too would love to watch ulis play next year at uk....its his choice to make. I dont blame him...hope he is a first rounder.....looking forward to seeing who is coming back to join the loaded freshman class coming in......wow what a group!!!
Going for 9 is basically just admitting to being a moron and allowing expectations to depend on rankings by recruiting guys who obviously miss as many as they hit on ..... Example A being Skal
How many here actually expected a title on a January 1st up until last week? At that point we knew what Lee and Poythress were and they hadnt improved any at all and we knew Skal would give us next to nothing and that Briscoe was a horrible shooter. So for anyone to say this class should of landed us a title is either a troll or just lost his/her mind.
How many here actually expected a title on a January 1st up until last week? At that point we knew what Lee and Poythress were and they hadnt improved any at all and we knew Skal would give us next to nothing and that Briscoe was a horrible shooter. So for anyone to say this class should of landed us a title is either a troll or just lost his/her mind.
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Lots of thought and time went into your post and I appreciate the effort. However, I would have to suspend rational thought to find anything to agree with. It sounds as if you have been cut off from reality for a couple of decades.
There's a reason there's a long list of "best NCAA bball teams to not win the title" it's a one shot deal and anything can happen in that scenario.
If it was a best of 5 or 7 like nba playoffs sure the 2010 and 2015 teams would have brought the title home but that's not here nor there.
Cal has elevated our program to our rightful perch on top of the basketball pinnacle by which other programs squirm when they think of us.
We have been in the mix nearly every year Cal has been here, Pitino is playing second fiddle in the state and Coach K has copied our philosophy that the media said would never work.
Who could ask for anything more than that??
If it was a best of 5 or 7 like nba playoffs sure the 2010 and 2015 teams would have brought the title home but that's not here nor there.
Cal has elevated our program to our rightful perch on top of the basketball pinnacle by which other programs squirm when they think of us.
We have been in the mix nearly every year Cal has been here, Pitino is playing second fiddle in the state and Coach K has copied our philosophy that the media said would never work.
Who could ask for anything more than that??
You want to ban a poster because he dosen't agree with YOU what else would you call it.?..just like the protesters in today's society...if you don't say what I believe you shouldn't be allowed to say it...stupid!!!
Part of me wishes Cal would leave so these "fans" could realize what they had.
So, you've never actually read the 1st amendment, have you?
If he was hitting shots, he could have had 5-10 minutes a game. We had enough interior defensive help to cover for this weakness. But hey, having shooters seems to never be a concern of most on here.
Not me , I've always wanted more shooters . There is a reason Duke has been so successful without great defenses .