Cal needs to change his philosophy

[Goingfor9]

I'm sorry many will hate me for this thread but it's true. 5 #1 classes and 1 championship. Who knows for next year but I'm not optimistic. To win title you must have some seasoned STRONG unpperclassmen. We went and got Cal to win championships. Not regular season games, not SEC titles, and certainly not to be known as the NBA farm club. 25 or whatever pros under Cal and again 1 championship! You can't win 38 straight then lose that should never, ever happen! I love Cal as a coach and as our ambassador but I do not like his recruiting and retainment practices. I've been all for them until now. No one cares if you get to elite 8, final four or the NC game, they care if you win it all. That's what people hang their hat on. Cal man you are here for the fans ever much as you are here for the athletes.

If you're not going to win championships with the one and done philosophy I encourage a change for the fans. it is frustrating for our fans to not get to know these kids. To have guys 1 or 2 years and watch them leave is honestly getting old. Its time for a change. It's time to bring in more 3 and 4 year players. It's time to encourage a kid like Tyler to stay and graduate as a hedge against the wall he may be up against in the NBA. Life is not all about money, yet the message Cal is sending to kids like my son is, college is good for a year or two then go out and get yours. K, Ole Roy even Clappy get kids of the caliber of the guys we lose to stay. What happened to the value of the college experience? 10 years ago all of these guys would not have left the way they have from UK. Cal shoves them out the door for the next group and us the fans who pay the cost of the program do not get to see a 3-4 year progression of the player. We see nothing. Murray and skal bam all of 9 mos. and likely gone.

As a lifelong fan I remember getting my cats pause yearbook every year and reading and getting to know the players. this solidified my love for the cats, not championships at the time "early mid 80s" but the experience of opening that yearbook every year and then letting the season play out feeling like I knew who I was rooting for. That is gone. Last night my son was very bummed after the loss he's 12. I thought it was because we lost...he was in part but what bummed him out the most was that it was Tyler Ulis last game and he only got to see him at UK for 2 yrs. a 5'9" player. 5 #1 recruiting classes, 1 championship and we don't get a chance to see team progression. A reboot rather every season. I don't like it

 

[Blue till I die]

Here are the facts

Since Cal has been here only one coach has won more titles than Cal

So we easily have the second best coach in the nation, some could argue the best coach given 4 final fours and a championship

If that's not good enough for you, then you have unrealistic expectations

 

[Shaudylo]

He had upper classmen Lee, Poy, Willis. The funny thing about people complaining about one and done is when we have a player that struggles in his first year or doesn't play much in his first year(Willis,Matthews etc) half of this board suggest they should transfer yet you guys want upper classmen at the same time

 

[AlbanyWildCat]

OP should find a new team to root for.

Mods, please ban the OP. TIA

 

[MegaBlue05]

Championships are so easy to win.

This program is such a colossal failure. 113 years of basketball and only 8 measly championships. Disgraceful.

 

[AlbanyWildCat]

He had upper classmen Lee, Poy, Willis. The funny thing about people complaining about one and done is when we have a player that struggles in his first year or doesn't play much in his first year(Willis,Matthews etc) half of this board suggest they should transfer yet you guys want upper classmen at the same time

This all day long...we have the worst fans period. We could have used Wiltjer this year and last, but hey, he wasn't deemed to be good enough for UK.

 

[Goingfor9]

OP should find a new team to root for.

Mods, please ban the OP. TIA

Ban me? For bringing up a legit discussion? This is what people talk about when they discuss cal.

 

[akaukswoosh]

He had upper classmen Lee, Poy, Willis. The funny thing about people complaining about one and done is when we have a player that struggles in his first year or doesn't play much in his first year(Willis,Matthews etc) half of this board suggest they should transfer yet you guys want upper classmen at the same time

Yep.

 

[wccat]

Sorry didn't bother to read the comments. I am more than pleased with Cal so far. I would like more rings...duh. Who wouldn't but so would Cal. Shots didn't fall yesterday. It happens. Try again next year.

 

[spotter34]

We'll have a number of experienced players next year; Lee, Willis, Hawkins will all be seniors and they should all be contributors.

No one ever said getting the #1 ranked recruiting classes guaranteed a certain # of championships. If it was said, it shouldn't have been. Recruiting classes vary from year to year so you may have a #1 class with no true dominant player but 4 or 5 really good players. Other years you can have 1-2 dominant players in one recruiting class. Regardless, what Cal has done at Kentucky has been phenomenal. I've followed Kentucky basketball for close to 50 years and this period of time has been the high point. I know we are going to compete for a national championship every year and we've got to witness some of the most elite players coming and playing here. Kentucky basketball is exciting. It truly moves the needle. Would I like to have 1-2 more championships? Sure. But I can remember quite a few seasons where I knew going into the season we had no chance to cut down the nets. NO CHANCE at all. Under Cal, we have a chance every year and eventually #9 and #10 are going to come and it normally comes sooner than you think.

 

[thefolker]

Wiltjer would've graduated last year.

 

[mdlUK.1]

Everyone, EVERYONE, thought Skal was going to be a h

He had upper classmen Lee, Poy, Willis. The funny thing about people complaining about one and done is when we have a player that struggles in his first year or doesn't play much in his first year(Willis,Matthews etc) half of this board suggest they should transfer yet you guys want upper classmen at the same time

This. They want depth but if a player isn't all world, they want them to transfer.

 

[PowerofPelphrey]

I loved Kyle's game but not sure if Cal would have ever got past his lack of defense. Kyle is a scorer and sometimes you need a guy like that. Kind of like Willis. He eventually let Willis play through some mistakes and it turned season around when Skal was a no-show.

 

[Icecoldbrewdoggy]

Ban me? For bringing up a legit discussion? This is what people talk about when they discuss cal.

What coach would have had 2 or more titles at this point, considering they wouldn't have had the top classes because Cal would be somewhere else getting those top classes? NOBODY would have had 2 by now and NOBODY would have anywhere near the final fours. Some just don't get it. All you hear about is Duke Duke Duke and they have only FIVE championships in the history of their program. FIVE! Championships in College basketball are rare.

 

[Calsthebomb]

I'm sorry many will hate me for this thread but it's true. 5 #1 classes and 1 championship. Who knows for next year but I'm not optimistic. To win title you must have some seasoned STRONG unpperclassmen. We went and got Cal to win championships. Not regular season games, not SEC titles, and certainly not to be known as the NBA farm club. 25 or whatever pros under Cal and again 1 championship! You can't win 38 straight then lose that should never, ever happen! I love Cal as a coach and as our ambassador but I do not like his recruiting and retainment practices. I've been all for them until now. No one cares if you get to elite 8, final four or the NC game, they care if you win it all. That's what people hang their hat on. Cal man you are here for the fans ever much as you are here for the athletes.

If you're not going to win championships with the one and done philosophy I encourage a change for the fans. it is frustrating for our fans to not get to know these kids. To have guys 1 or 2 years and watch them leave is honestly getting old. Its time for a change. It's time to bring in more 3 and 4 year players. It's time to encourage a kid like Tyler to stay and graduate as a hedge against the wall he may be up against in the NBA. Life is not all about money, yet the message Cal is sending to kids like my son is, college is good for a year or two then go out and get yours. K, Ole Roy even Clappy get kids of the caliber of the guys we lose to stay. What happened to the value of the college experience? 10 years ago all of these guys would not have left the way they have from UK. Cal shoves them out the door for the next group and us the fans who pay the cost of the program do not get to see a 3-4 year progression of the player. We see nothing. Murray and skal bam all of 9 mos. and likely gone.

As a lifelong fan I remember getting my cats pause yearbook every year and reading and getting to know the players. this solidified my love for the cats, not championships at the time "early mid 80s" but the experience of opening that yearbook every year and then letting the season play out feeling like I knew who I was rooting for. That is gone. Last night my son was very bummed after the loss he's 12. I thought it was because we lost...he was in part but what bummed him out the most was that it was Tyler Ulis last game and he only got to see him at UK for 2 yrs. a 5'9" player. 5 #1 recruiting classes, 1 championship and we don't get a chance to see team progression. A reboot rather every season. I don't like it

Dumb! Get with the new age. It's about kids reaching their dreams. What's cal suppose to do not recruit good talent?? That's a horrible take.

 

[AlbanyWildCat]

Wiltjer would've graduated last year.

You're right. Could have used him last year.

 

[Goingfor9]

spin it how you want. 5 to rated recruiting class = 1 championship. BUT that is only part of my argument. If those top rated recruting classes can't win a 2:1 ratio then bring in more 3-4 year players. Allow the fans to watch them develop as a TEAM. Willis has been part of 3 teams. Poythress 4 different teams and an unreal number of various players. That's not a program. It's not a program when you have to rebuild every year.

 

[AlbanyWildCat]

Ban me? For bringing up a legit discussion? This is what people talk about when they discuss cal.

Yes, please ban. We are in the hunt each year and you still find a reason to whine? Wahh...my kid is unhappy because Ulis is going to take care of himself and family and fulfill him dreams of playing in the league.

 

[rodgerblue]

If you are sorry some will hate you for this thread, why write something you are already apologizing for?

 

[Glenn's Take]

I've been saying for years that what we really needed was worse players and we would be a lot better.

 

[fisherscat]

Disagree. You can argue that Cal needs to tweak some things in coaching strategy at times. But not recruiting. Weve recruited well enough to win 4 titles under Cal. Why we havent has more to do with coaching adjustments.

 

[AlbanyWildCat]

spin it how you want. 5 to rated recruiting class = 1 championship. BUT that is only part of my argument. If those top rated recruting classes can't win a 2:1 ratio then bring in more 3-4 year players. Allow the fans to watch them develop as a TEAM. Willis has been part of 3 teams. Poythress 4 different teams and an unreal number of various players. That's not a program. It's not a program when you have to rebuild every year.

The players and Cal don't owe you anything...

 

[Goingfor9]

Dumb! Get with the new age. It's about kids reaching their dreams. What's cal suppose to do not recruit good talent?? That's a horrible take.

Well then it's all misguided. It should be about our program. Program comes first everywhere. With in the program values and culture are developed. A culture that values money over everything else is not positive sorry.

 

[Calsthebomb]

spin it how you want. 5 to rated recruiting class = 1 championship. BUT that is only part of my argument. If those top rated recruting classes can't win a 2:1 ratio then bring in more 3-4 year players. Allow the fans to watch them develop as a TEAM. Willis has been part of 3 teams. Poythress 4 different teams and an unreal number of various players. That's not a program. It's not a program when you have to rebuild every year.

What about all the other coaches with top 5 classes? They failures too?

 

[Kats23]

The annual Cal should change his style thread. Took longer than I thought actually for it to appear.

 

[rodgerblue]

OP should find a new team to root for.

Mods, please ban the OP. TIA

Ban him? Why? Who died and made you somebody? How about you get over yourself?

 

[JohnBlue]

Don't you just love it when someone tells us how he can't win championships this way right after they state that he has won a championship?

Enjoy the ride, it's easy to dream about what if's but he doesn't need us to teach him how to win games.

 

[Calsthebomb]

Well then it's all misguided. It should be about our program. Program comes first everywhere. With in the program values and culture are developed. A culture that values money over everything else is not positive sorry.

Cal doesn't tell the kids to leave. If you gonna be a first round pick and guaranteed millionaire what would you do? Don't blame him for recruiting the best.

 

[Goingfor9]

Yes, please ban. We are in the hunt each year and you still find a reason to whine? Wahh...my kid is unhappy because Ulis is going to take care of himself and family and fulfill him dreams of playing in the league.

You don't get it. You read what you want and discard the rest and with a pompous attitude.

 

[jboler]

Ban me? For bringing up a legit discussion? This is what people talk about when they discuss cal.

And tell me...who better to run this program other than Cal?? And since you clearly no more, should we consider you a candidate?

 

[Calsthebomb]

Yes, please ban. We are in the hunt each year and you still find a reason to whine? Wahh...my kid is unhappy because Ulis is going to take care of himself and family and fulfill him dreams of playing in the league.

Absolutely. Agree 100%.

 

[caneintally]

The OP spent alot of time typing the stupidest , most idiotic non sense I have ever read. It is next to impossible to win a title . Hell it is very very hard to make a final 4. WE have won a title and made 4 final 4's in 6 years . If that is not good for you you just are a dumbass. Sorry to be mean but it is the truth. And we will be a legendary team next year as we bring back a ton and have 4-6 lott picks coming in . I mean many think Fox is the best HS pg of the last 3 years and Monk is in Murray's league . Don't get me started on Bam's beast mode . Scouts see Gabriel as Kevin Durant like . This is our best class and Cal has ever said so . WE will win another time before Cal leaves , of this I have no doubt. Hell we won the SEC T and SEC regular season IN A DOWN YEAR.

 

[Hopmix]

IU needs some more fan boys. Jump ship and take your opinions with you.
I'm sticking with Cal.

 

[Calsthebomb]

Dumbest thread ever! Let's just go and recruit mediocre talent and have mediocre seasons. OP is a jackass.

 

[chroix]

Cal has damn near 25% of UKs final fours and did it in the last 5 years. OP maybe you are the one that needs to change your philosophy.

 

[JohnBlue]

spin it how you want. 5 to rated recruiting class = 1 championship. BUT that is only part of my argument. If those top rated recruting classes can't win a 2:1 ratio then bring in more 3-4 year players. Allow the fans to watch them develop as a TEAM. Willis has been part of 3 teams. Poythress 4 different teams and an unreal number of various players. That's not a program. It's not a program when you have to rebuild every year.

There are hundreds of teams filled with 3-4 year players that don't win on his level. You're only dreaming up these reply's because of the success he has had and you want more. He is the reason you changed your handle from going for 8 to going for 9, show a little faith.

 

[Goingfor9]

Don't you just love it when someone tells us how he can't win championships this way right after they state that he has won a championship?

Enjoy the ride, it's easy to dream about what if's but he doesn't need us to teach him how to win games.

Championships is plural. We should have more than 1 with the recruiting classes we bring in. 5:1 is a terrible ratio. 5 top rated recruiting classes to 1 championship. All I am advocating is a change to Cals recruiting and retainment practices. Every coach begins evaluating right now. This is something he must change or I'm sorry it may be another 5 before we win one. Should not have lost last year.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

I'm sorry many will hate me for this thread but it's true. 5 #1 classes and 1 championship. Who knows for next year but I'm not optimistic. To win title you must have some seasoned STRONG unpperclassmen. We went and got Cal to win championships. Not regular season games, not SEC titles, and certainly not to be known as the NBA farm club. 25 or whatever pros under Cal and again 1 championship! You can't win 38 straight then lose that should never, ever happen! I love Cal as a coach and as our ambassador but I do not like his recruiting and retainment practices. I've been all for them until now. No one cares if you get to elite 8, final four or the NC game, they care if you win it all. That's what people hang their hat on. Cal man you are here for the fans ever much as you are here for the athletes.

If you're not going to win championships with the one and done philosophy I encourage a change for the fans. it is frustrating for our fans to not get to know these kids. To have guys 1 or 2 years and watch them leave is honestly getting old. Its time for a change. It's time to bring in more 3 and 4 year players. It's time to encourage a kid like Tyler to stay and graduate as a hedge against the wall he may be up against in the NBA. Life is not all about money, yet the message Cal is sending to kids like my son is, college is good for a year or two then go out and get yours. K, Ole Roy even Clappy get kids of the caliber of the guys we lose to stay. What happened to the value of the college experience? 10 years ago all of these guys would not have left the way they have from UK. Cal shoves them out the door for the next group and us the fans who pay the cost of the program do not get to see a 3-4 year progression of the player. We see nothing. Murray and skal bam all of 9 mos. and likely gone.

As a lifelong fan I remember getting my cats pause yearbook every year and reading and getting to know the players. this solidified my love for the cats, not championships at the time "early mid 80s" but the experience of opening that yearbook every year and then letting the season play out feeling like I knew who I was rooting for. That is gone. Last night my son was very bummed after the loss he's 12. I thought it was because we lost...he was in part but what bummed him out the most was that it was Tyler Ulis last game and he only got to see him at UK for 2 yrs. a 5'9" player. 5 #1 recruiting classes, 1 championship and we don't get a chance to see team progression. A reboot rather every season. I don't like it

Well get over it.

UK isn't winning multiple titles doing any other method (look at history, this is not the 40s and 50s anymore) and UK isn't going to a ton of Final Fours doing it any other way either.

 

[4UK]

I'm sorry many will hate me for this thread but it's true. 5 #1 classes and 1 championship. Who knows for next year but I'm not optimistic. To win title you must have some seasoned STRONG unpperclassmen. We went and got Cal to win championships. Not regular season games, not SEC titles, and certainly not to be known as the NBA farm club. 25 or whatever pros under Cal and again 1 championship! You can't win 38 straight then lose that should never, ever happen! I love Cal as a coach and as our ambassador but I do not like his recruiting and retainment practices. I've been all for them until now. No one cares if you get to elite 8, final four or the NC game, they care if you win it all. That's what people hang their hat on. Cal man you are here for the fans ever much as you are here for the athletes.

If you're not going to win championships with the one and done philosophy I encourage a change for the fans. it is frustrating for our fans to not get to know these kids. To have guys 1 or 2 years and watch them leave is honestly getting old. Its time for a change. It's time to bring in more 3 and 4 year players. It's time to encourage a kid like Tyler to stay and graduate as a hedge against the wall he may be up against in the NBA. Life is not all about money, yet the message Cal is sending to kids like my son is, college is good for a year or two then go out and get yours. K, Ole Roy even Clappy get kids of the caliber of the guys we lose to stay. What happened to the value of the college experience? 10 years ago all of these guys would not have left the way they have from UK. Cal shoves them out the door for the next group and us the fans who pay the cost of the program do not get to see a 3-4 year progression of the player. We see nothing. Murray and skal bam all of 9 mos. and likely gone.

As a lifelong fan I remember getting my cats pause yearbook every year and reading and getting to know the players. this solidified my love for the cats, not championships at the time "early mid 80s" but the experience of opening that yearbook every year and then letting the season play out feeling like I knew who I was rooting for. That is gone. Last night my son was very bummed after the loss he's 12. I thought it was because we lost...he was in part but what bummed him out the most was that it was Tyler Ulis last game and he only got to see him at UK for 2 yrs. a 5'9" player. 5 #1 recruiting classes, 1 championship and we don't get a chance to see team progression. A reboot rather every season. I don't like it

We've been to four of the last 6 Final Fours. Obviously, you have no appreciation for how hard that is to do. If that's not good enough for you, I'd go further than saying you need to find another team to root for. I'd say you just need to quit following college basketball, because you won't find anyone who can meet your standards.

 

[JohnBlue]

Championships is plural. We should have more than 1 with the recruiting classes we bring in. 5:1 is a terrible ratio. 5 top rated recruiting classes to 1 championship. All I am advocating is a change to Cals recruiting and retainment practices. Every coach begins evaluating right now. This is something he must change or I'm sorry it may be another 5 before we win one. Should not have lost last year.

No we should not have more than one, we shouldn't have that one so quick into building a program. I would literally be ecstatic if Kentucky could win a championship once every five years, heck every fan base out there would be too with those results.

Where do you get these cartoonish expectations at anyway? In 71 years the program amassed 8 ncaa championships but just now you think the standard should be a championship every other year or we blow it up and start over. I don't think you realize how crazy you look right now.