Team Blue: Help me understand what is going on in the Democratic Party

[baltimorened]

These progressives are just terrible…



He’s not wrong. Truman was correct also…anything a certain party doesn’t like it’s scary socialist and now communist.

anybody who is realistic knows that elements of our society and politics falls under a socialist parameter.

But, if you're comparing those to the DSA platform, I don't think that's an accurate comparison. The two are far apart

 

[fatpiggy]

I am starting to wonder whether or not we would be better off with robotic constitutional and liquidity decisions vs SCOTUS and the FOMC

Probably so. People are biased and fallible.

The FOMC should be replaced with market set interest rates. And AI will probably be the judge 25 years from now.

 

[fatpiggy]

Democrat Socialist and Communists of America


Good job Democrats.

 

[PapaGanoush]

Trying to legislate according to your religion as a basis would definitely be bad. Agreed. (now I do think people can govern according to their own religious inherent values, hopefully like integrity, loving others, etc)

You believe Islam “loving others” non Islam?

 

[PapaGanoush]

I linked their actual website too. I don’t agree with everything but I agree far more than the Republican policy of hoarding wealth for the few. I remind you again, Trump is basically extorting American companies. I choose more for all than all for just a few.

“Hoarding the wealth for a few”…. Sounds like a guy who has never had the guts, energy, or will to try and make it on his/her own. Now blames everyone else for what he/she doesn’t have.

The system works, and works well… but not for those who don’t try.

 

[PapaGanoush]

It is not a binary choice. I will vote for dems that disavow the craziness of the DSA, I will not vote for any dem that endorses the DSA platform.

I won’t vote for any GOP that supports Trump either.

I like Trump, but fair take.

 

[PapaGanoush]

You accept a little of their help and your party wears the label.

As @hawkeyetracer said, yall are making a deal with the Devil and it will tremendously backfire.

I can’t wait to watch

The infighting and their surprise is inevitable.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

You believe Islam “loving others” non Islam?

Can you restate that? (not being snarky, just really not following the intended question)

Maybe this will answer it? I believe that just about every religion I have heard of has loving others, integrity, things like that as part of its core value system. And I also believe that just about every religion I have ever heard of has extremist or fundamentalists that have twisted it and/or used it for evil. So all I was really saying is while I understand that people can use things from their religion as guiding internal principles, they shouldn't try to use their religions moral code to create legislation. Basically, I am not saying that no one religious can be in politics, but I am saying that they shouldn't try to legislate their religion to force it upon others. I don't want the Quran forced upon every student in NY or Michigan, and I don't want the Bible forced upon every student in Oklahoma or Texas. Both the Quran and Bible say murder is wrong, but it also hurts other people, so regardless of either religious text, there is a non-religious reason to legislate it.

 

[PapaGanoush]

Can you restate that? (not being snarky, just really not following the intended question)

Maybe this will answer it? I believe that just about every religion I have heard of has loving others, integrity, things like that as part of its core value system. And I also believe that just about every religion I have ever heard of has extremist or fundamentalists that have twisted it and/or used it for evil. So all I was really saying is while I understand that people can use things from their religion as guiding internal principles, they shouldn't try to use their religions moral code to create legislation. Basically, I am not saying that no one religious can be in politics, but I am saying that they shouldn't try to legislate their religion to force it upon others. I don't want the Quran forced upon every student in NY or Michigan, and I don't want the Bible forced upon every student in Oklahoma or Texas. Both the Quran and Bible say murder is wrong, but it also hurts other people, so regardless of either religious text, there is a non-religious reason to legislate it.

I can understand your desire for a religious text to not be an influence on legislation. That being said, one is not like the other.

Check the current receipts.

 

[Hotshoe]

We finally have a party fighting for the people instead of rich azzholes.

Communism and Socialism have never worked for for the people, it's murdered them by the millions. It has sunk people into absolute poverty. Maybe you should make something of yourself and stop blaming others.

 

[Scrubby]

Lolol dems

 

[Rifler]

Yes and we both know which party REFUSES to add funding to the coffers to address the debt.

That's because it's an 80% spending vs 20% funding problem,... Show us the cuts.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

I can understand your desire for a religious text to not be an influence on legislation. That being said, one is not like the other.

Check the current receipts.

Only see one trying to legislate and force their religion on others here in America, where I am voting. So I actually agree. If in the future, other religions try to force their own texts and precepts on others, I would absolutely oppose that as well.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Communism and Socialism have never worked for for the people, it's murdered them by the millions. It has sunk people into absolute poverty. Maybe you should make something of yourself and stop blaming others.

What is the defining feature of communism?

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

I linked also. I didn’t see your bullet points in the DSA story you linked.

I like you Tom and you are normally pretty rational so I will take an extra step here to show you exactly where these points are because for some reason you seem to have blinders on relative to the DSA.

Also I did not link a story. I gave you the DSA website published by the DSA with their entire political platform spelled out as approved by the DSA.

This will be my last post on this topic as we are just moving into rote repetition. These ARE the DSA policies. They are unrealistic, many are just plain stupid and if Dems embrace these it will backfire the way MAGA is going to backfire on the GOP.

It is extremism Tom.

Claim	Actual statement	Where to find
Abolish police and prisons	“For all of the working class to achieve collective liberation we must constrain, diminish, and abolish the carceral forces of the state — from prisons and police themselves, to their manifestations in all forms throughout society”	Abolition page
Eliminate the Senate	“abolish the Senate”	DSA platform page Under the section “Working class democracy”
Nationalize large corporations	“Establish public ownership of the largest corporations and essential industries to ensure democratic control and accountability to the people”	DSA platform page Under the Working Class Democracy section
Eliminate public vote for presidency have it chosen by the House	”Replace the President and Supreme Court with an executive and judiciary chosen by and subordinate to Congress.”	DSA platform page Under the Working Class Democracy section
Supreme Court chosen by the house	”Replace the President and Supreme Court with an executive and judiciary chosen by and subordinate to Congress.”	DSA platform page Under the Working Class Democracy section
Jerusalem capital of Palestine	“a free Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital”	DSA platform page Under the Working Class Foreign Policy section
Pay reparations for slavery	“Enact reparations”	DSA platform page Under Thriving Working Class Communities Section
Build a sh*t ton of public housing	“Build new, publicly-owned social housing”	DSA platform page Under Thriving Working Class Communities Section
Make college free for everyone	“Provide free, quality public education from pre-K to college”	DSA platform page Under Thriving Working Class Communities Section

(Sorry about table formatting y’all - can’t seem to control column width)

 

[PapaGanoush]

Only see one trying to legislate and force their religion on others here in America, where I am voting. So I actually agree. If in the future, other religions try to force their own texts and precepts on others, I would absolutely oppose that as well.

Rest assured, if Islam takes a majority in any one geographical area, they’ll be doing so. They even have a name for it, which I’m certain you’re aware.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Rest assured, if Islam takes a majority in any one geographical area, they’ll be doing so. They even have a name for it, which I’m certain you’re aware.

Thank goodness we have the constitution which forbids it. I'm just not going to lose sleep over something that's not happening, while ignoring something that is.

 

[tarheelbybirth1]

True. I lean right but currently, don't have a party. Anyone who disagrees with dear fuhrer is a radical leftist extremist.

Currently, I'll choose to be an independent that won't vote for a Republican until one can show that they truly are a fiscal conservative that believes in the constitution and puts country first.

No problem with any of that, but as someone who has lived under virtual GOP tyranny for fifteen years, it's not enough. Are you willing to hold your nose and vote for the candidate who has the best chance of defeating a Republican?

Voting for a third-party loser or just staying home isn't enough. Both of those moves support the GOP - it's precisely what they want. They'll back a third-party candidate as it appears they're doing in MI with the Green Party's Shane Dedrick in order to split the vote.

At this point, anyone who votes third party or skips the election is MAGA-adjacent.

 

[alaskanseminole]

I like you Tom and you are normally pretty rational so I will take an extra step here to show you exactly where these points are because for some reason you seem to have blinders on relative to the DSA.

Also I did not link a story. I gave you the DSA website published by the DSA with their entire political platform spelled out as approved by the DSA.

This will be my last post on this topic as we are just moving into rote repetition. These ARE the DSA policies. They are unrealistic, many are just plain stupid and if Dems embrace these it will backfire the way MAGA is going to backfire on the GOP.

It is extremism Tom.

Claim	Actual statement	Where to find
Abolish police and prisons	“For all of the working class to achieve collective liberation we must constrain, diminish, and abolish the carceral forces of the state — from prisons and police themselves, to their manifestations in all forms throughout society”	Abolition page
Eliminate the Senate	“abolish the Senate”	DSA platform page Under the section “Working class democracy”
Nationalize large corporations	“Establish public ownership of the largest corporations and essential industries to ensure democratic control and accountability to the people”	DSA platform page Under the Working Class Democracy section
Eliminate public vote for presidency have it chosen by the House	”Replace the President and Supreme Court with an executive and judiciary chosen by and subordinate to Congress.”	DSA platform page Under the Working Class Democracy section
Supreme Court chosen by the house	”Replace the President and Supreme Court with an executive and judiciary chosen by and subordinate to Congress.”	DSA platform page Under the Working Class Democracy section
Jerusalem capital of Palestine	“a free Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital”	DSA platform page Under the Working Class Foreign Policy section
Pay reparations for slavery	“Enact reparations”	DSA platform page Under Thriving Working Class Communities Section
Build a sh*t ton of public housing	“Build new, publicly-owned social housing”	DSA platform page Under Thriving Working Class Communities Section
Make college free for everyone	“Provide free, quality public education from pre-K to college”	DSA platform page Under Thriving Working Class Communities Section

(Sorry about table formatting y’all - can’t seem to control column width)

Solid work, Traveler. I took it one step further.

Category	Current U.S. System	DSA Position	Project 2025 Position	Distance from Status Quo
Police & Criminal Justice	Local, state, and federal police; prisons are core institutions	Abolish police and prisons	Expand law enforcement priorities; strengthen policing and prosecution	DSA: Very High / P2025: Moderate
U.S. Senate	Bicameral Congress with Senate and House	Abolish the Senate	No proposed change	DSA: Very High / P2025: None
Economy	Predominantly private ownership with regulated markets	Public ownership of the largest corporations and essential industries	Reduce regulation and federal economic intervention; promote private enterprise	DSA: Very High / P2025: Moderate
Executive Branch	President elected independently via Electoral College	Executive chosen by and subordinate to Congress	Strengthen presidential control over the executive branch	DSA: Very High / P2025: High
Supreme Court	Independent Article III judiciary	Judiciary chosen by and subordinate to Congress	Retain Supreme Court; no proposal to subordinate it to Congress	DSA: Very High / P2025: None
Israel / Palestine	U.S. recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital	Support a free Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital	Maintain recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital and support Israel	DSA: High / P2025: Low
Reparations	No federal reparations program	Enact reparations for slavery	No proposed reparations program	DSA: High / P2025: None
Housing	Primarily private housing with public assistance programs	Build new publicly owned social housing	Reduce housing regulations; encourage private development	DSA: High / P2025: Moderate
Higher Education	Public K–12; mixed public/private higher education with tuition	Free public education from pre-K through college	Reduce federal role in education; expand school choice; no universal free college	DSA: High / P2025: High

We CANNOT allow the fringe psychopaths into positions of power to shape America's future!!

 

[alaskanseminole]

@hawkeyetraveler

And since I'm a flaming libtard, I thought I'd put this one out there too.

Category	Current U.S. System	DSA Position	Project 2025 Position	Alaskanseminole's Position
Police & Criminal Justice	Local, state, and federal police; prisons are core institutions	Abolish police and prisons	Expand law enforcement priorities; strengthen policing and prosecution	Support law enforcement with accountability, de-escalation, and constitutional policing. Oppose abolishing police or blind "back the blue" tribalism. Need BETTER training.
U.S. Senate	Bicameral Congress with Senate and House	Abolish the Senate	No proposed change	Keep the Senate. Reform where needed, but preserve constitutional institutions.
Economy	Predominantly private ownership with regulated markets	Public ownership of the largest corporations and essential industries	Reduce regulation and federal economic intervention; promote private enterprise	Capitalist with guardrails. Support free markets, antitrust enforcement, closing tax loopholes, corporate accountability, and fiscal responsibility.
Executive Branch	President elected independently via Electoral College	Executive chosen by and subordinate to Congress	Strengthen presidential control over the executive branch	Support checks and balances. Oppose expanding executive power regardless of party.
Supreme Court	Independent Article III judiciary	Judiciary chosen by and subordinate to Congress	Retain Supreme Court; no proposal to subordinate it to Congress	Maintain an independent judiciary. Open to thoughtful reforms, not political control.
Israel / Palestine	U.S. recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital	Support a free Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital	Maintain recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital and support Israel	Support Israel's right to exist and defend itself while recognizing the humanity and legitimate concerns of Palestinian civilians. Jerusalem is Israel's Capital.
Reparations	No federal reparations program	Enact reparations for slavery	No proposed reparations program	Oppose reparations. Equal rights under the law should be the goal while recognizing racism still exists. Fix hearts and opportunities—not race-based compensation.
Housing	Primarily private housing with public assistance programs	Build new publicly owned social housing	Reduce housing regulations; encourage private development	Primarily private housing with targeted assistance, zoning reform, and reducing unnecessary regulations.
Higher Education	Public K–12; mixed public/private higher education with tuition	Free public education from pre-K through college	Reduce federal role in education; expand school choice; no universal free college	Make higher education more affordable by fixing market incentives, not making it free. Expand skilled trades and apprenticeships, reduce dependence on federal loans/grants that fuel tuition inflation, and recognize college isn't the only path to success. (Think Gary Johnson & Mike Rowe view points)

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

@hawkeyetraveler

And since I'm a flaming libtard, I thought I'd put this one out there too.

Category	Current U.S. System	DSA Position	Project 2025 Position	Alaskanseminole's Position
Police & Criminal Justice	Local, state, and federal police; prisons are core institutions	Abolish police and prisons	Expand law enforcement priorities; strengthen policing and prosecution	Support law enforcement with accountability, de-escalation, and constitutional policing. Oppose abolishing police or blind "back the blue" tribalism. Need BETTER training.
U.S. Senate	Bicameral Congress with Senate and House	Abolish the Senate	No proposed change	Keep the Senate. Reform where needed, but preserve constitutional institutions.
Economy	Predominantly private ownership with regulated markets	Public ownership of the largest corporations and essential industries	Reduce regulation and federal economic intervention; promote private enterprise	Capitalist with guardrails. Support free markets, antitrust enforcement, closing tax loopholes, corporate accountability, and fiscal responsibility.
Executive Branch	President elected independently via Electoral College	Executive chosen by and subordinate to Congress	Strengthen presidential control over the executive branch	Support checks and balances. Oppose expanding executive power regardless of party.
Supreme Court	Independent Article III judiciary	Judiciary chosen by and subordinate to Congress	Retain Supreme Court; no proposal to subordinate it to Congress	Maintain an independent judiciary. Open to thoughtful reforms, not political control.
Israel / Palestine	U.S. recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital	Support a free Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital	Maintain recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital and support Israel	Support Israel's right to exist and defend itself while recognizing the humanity and legitimate concerns of Palestinian civilians. Jerusalem is Israel's Capital.
Reparations	No federal reparations program	Enact reparations for slavery	No proposed reparations program	Oppose reparations. Equal rights under the law should be the goal while recognizing racism still exists. Fix hearts and opportunities—not race-based compensation.
Housing	Primarily private housing with public assistance programs	Build new publicly owned social housing	Reduce housing regulations; encourage private development	Primarily private housing with targeted assistance, zoning reform, and reducing unnecessary regulations.
Higher Education	Public K–12; mixed public/private higher education with tuition	Free public education from pre-K through college	Reduce federal role in education; expand school choice; no universal free college	Make higher education more affordable by fixing market incentives, not making it free. Expand skilled trades and apprenticeships, reduce dependence on federal loans/grants that fuel tuition inflation, and recognize college isn't the only path to success. (Think Gary Johnson & Mike Rowe view points)

I would vote for you.

Seriously.

 

[OnlyTheObscure]

If college was free why wouldn’t colleges just triple tuition since the federal government would just pay any amount?

reparations? Can I just declare myself black ? If that is acceptable for gender why not?

 

[Ghee Buttersnaps 2]

@hawkeyetraveler

And since I'm a flaming libtard, I thought I'd put this one out there too.

Category	Current U.S. System	DSA Position	Project 2025 Position	Alaskanseminole's Position
Police & Criminal Justice	Local, state, and federal police; prisons are core institutions	Abolish police and prisons	Expand law enforcement priorities; strengthen policing and prosecution	Support law enforcement with accountability, de-escalation, and constitutional policing. Oppose abolishing police or blind "back the blue" tribalism. Need BETTER training.
U.S. Senate	Bicameral Congress with Senate and House	Abolish the Senate	No proposed change	Keep the Senate. Reform where needed, but preserve constitutional institutions.
Economy	Predominantly private ownership with regulated markets	Public ownership of the largest corporations and essential industries	Reduce regulation and federal economic intervention; promote private enterprise	Capitalist with guardrails. Support free markets, antitrust enforcement, closing tax loopholes, corporate accountability, and fiscal responsibility.
Executive Branch	President elected independently via Electoral College	Executive chosen by and subordinate to Congress	Strengthen presidential control over the executive branch	Support checks and balances. Oppose expanding executive power regardless of party.
Supreme Court	Independent Article III judiciary	Judiciary chosen by and subordinate to Congress	Retain Supreme Court; no proposal to subordinate it to Congress	Maintain an independent judiciary. Open to thoughtful reforms, not political control.
Israel / Palestine	U.S. recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital	Support a free Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital	Maintain recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital and support Israel	Support Israel's right to exist and defend itself while recognizing the humanity and legitimate concerns of Palestinian civilians. Jerusalem is Israel's Capital.
Reparations	No federal reparations program	Enact reparations for slavery	No proposed reparations program	Oppose reparations. Equal rights under the law should be the goal while recognizing racism still exists. Fix hearts and opportunities—not race-based compensation.
Housing	Primarily private housing with public assistance programs	Build new publicly owned social housing	Reduce housing regulations; encourage private development	Primarily private housing with targeted assistance, zoning reform, and reducing unnecessary regulations.
Higher Education	Public K–12; mixed public/private higher education with tuition	Free public education from pre-K through college	Reduce federal role in education; expand school choice; no universal free college	Make higher education more affordable by fixing market incentives, not making it free. Expand skilled trades and apprenticeships, reduce dependence on federal loans/grants that fuel tuition inflation, and recognize college isn't the only path to success. (Think Gary Johnson & Mike Rowe view points)

You're such a gd libtard!

WhAt iS A WoMAn!?

 

[tigres88]

@hawkeyetraveler

And since I'm a flaming libtard, I thought I'd put this one out there too.

Category	Current U.S. System	DSA Position	Project 2025 Position	Alaskanseminole's Position
Police & Criminal Justice	Local, state, and federal police; prisons are core institutions	Abolish police and prisons	Expand law enforcement priorities; strengthen policing and prosecution	Support law enforcement with accountability, de-escalation, and constitutional policing. Oppose abolishing police or blind "back the blue" tribalism. Need BETTER training.
U.S. Senate	Bicameral Congress with Senate and House	Abolish the Senate	No proposed change	Keep the Senate. Reform where needed, but preserve constitutional institutions.
Economy	Predominantly private ownership with regulated markets	Public ownership of the largest corporations and essential industries	Reduce regulation and federal economic intervention; promote private enterprise	Capitalist with guardrails. Support free markets, antitrust enforcement, closing tax loopholes, corporate accountability, and fiscal responsibility.
Executive Branch	President elected independently via Electoral College	Executive chosen by and subordinate to Congress	Strengthen presidential control over the executive branch	Support checks and balances. Oppose expanding executive power regardless of party.
Supreme Court	Independent Article III judiciary	Judiciary chosen by and subordinate to Congress	Retain Supreme Court; no proposal to subordinate it to Congress	Maintain an independent judiciary. Open to thoughtful reforms, not political control.
Israel / Palestine	U.S. recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital	Support a free Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital	Maintain recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital and support Israel	Support Israel's right to exist and defend itself while recognizing the humanity and legitimate concerns of Palestinian civilians. Jerusalem is Israel's Capital.
Reparations	No federal reparations program	Enact reparations for slavery	No proposed reparations program	Oppose reparations. Equal rights under the law should be the goal while recognizing racism still exists. Fix hearts and opportunities—not race-based compensation.
Housing	Primarily private housing with public assistance programs	Build new publicly owned social housing	Reduce housing regulations; encourage private development	Primarily private housing with targeted assistance, zoning reform, and reducing unnecessary regulations.
Higher Education	Public K–12; mixed public/private higher education with tuition	Free public education from pre-K through college	Reduce federal role in education; expand school choice; no universal free college	Make higher education more affordable by fixing market incentives, not making it free. Expand skilled trades and apprenticeships, reduce dependence on federal loans/grants that fuel tuition inflation, and recognize college isn't the only path to success. (Think Gary Johnson & Mike Rowe view points)

I think at the core, what the far leftists/progressives don't understand when the DSA platform is criticized is that it really is a fundamental change to the institutions themselves.

Project 2025/Maga is a far right extremist platform because they ALSO want to do the same. Democrats mostly propose big changes through existing institutions; Project 2025 is making changes to the institutions themselves, and the DSA wants to do the same.

They're two sides of the same coin, and I'm not sure that doing the same exact thing but the opposite of Maga/Project 2025 is the best way forward for America (coming from a pretty progressive Liberal).

 

[Jerome Silberman]

I think at the core, what the far leftists/progressives don't understand when the DSA platform is criticized is that it really is a fundamental change to the institutions themselves.

Project 2025/Maga is a far right extremist platform because they ALSO want to do the same. Democrats mostly propose big changes through existing institutions; Project 2025 is making changes to the institutions themselves, and the DSA wants to do the same.

They're two sides of the same coin, and I'm not sure that doing the same exact thing but the opposite of Maga/Project 2025 is the best way forward for America (coming from a pretty progressive Liberal).

I don't think people that have lost faith in the institutions are going to give a flying f@ck about keeping them the way they are. There has been a referendum about preserving the system and norms and it lost.

Welcome to the new age of reform and graft. Isn't it swell that we traded a system worth trying to fix for the promises of @ssholes that think being a public servant is detestable?

 

[gohawks50]

Politician	DSA endorsed​	End police/ prisons​	Abolish Senate​	Public ownership*​	Congress controls exec./courts​	End Electoral College​	End U.S. aid to Israel​	Medicare for All​
El-Sayed	No​	◐​	—​	—​	—​	—​	​	​
Sanders	No¹​	​	​	​	—​	​	◐​	​
AOC	Yes²​	◐​	—​	—​	—​	​	◐​	​
Tlaib	Yes​	◐​	—​	—​	—​	—​	​	​
Kiros	Yes​	​	​	—​	—​	—​	​	​
Rabb	Yes​	—​	—​	◐​	—​	—​	◐​	​
McKinney	Yes​	◐​	—​	—​	—​	—​	◐​	​
Valdez	Yes​	—​	—​	◐​	—​	—​	​	​
Avila Chevalier	Yes​	—​	—​	—​	—​	—​	​	​
Oliver Larkin	Yes​	—​	​	—​	—​	—​	​	​
Summer Lee	Yes³​	◐​	—​	—​	—​	—​	◐​	​
KEY	Supports DSA position​	Opposes​	◐ Partial/less sweeping​	— No clear public support found​	​	​	​	​
DSA definitions	​	Abolish police & prisons​	Abolish Senate​	Public ownership of largest corporations & essential industries​	Executive & judiciary chosen by/subordinate to Congress​	Abolish Electoral College​	End U.S. military & economic aid to Israel​	Government-financed insurance; not government-owned hospitals​
Endorsement notes	¹ Sanders: DSA endorsed him in 2020; not currently endorsed. ² AOC: NYC-DSA endorsed; national DSA withdrew endorsement in 2024. ³ Lee: past DSA endorsement/support.​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Politician	DSA endorsed​	End police/ prisons​	Abolish Senate​	Public ownership*​	Congress controls exec./courts​	End Electoral College​	End U.S. aid to Israel​	Medicare for All​
El-Sayed	No​	◐​	—​	—​	—​	—​	​	​
Sanders	No¹​	​	​	​	—​	​	◐​	​
AOC	Yes²​	◐​	—​	—​	—​	​	◐​	​
Tlaib	Yes​	◐​	—​	—​	—​	—​	​	​
Kiros	Yes​	​	​	—​	—​	—​	​	​
Rabb	Yes​	—​	—​	◐​	—​	—​	◐​	​
McKinney	Yes​	◐​	—​	—​	—​	—​	◐​	​
Valdez	Yes​	—​	—​	◐​	—​	—​	​	​
Avila Chevalier	Yes​	—​	—​	—​	—​	—​	​	​
Oliver Larkin	Yes​	—​	​	—​	—​	—​	​	​
Summer Lee	Yes³​	◐​	—​	—​	—​	—​	◐​	​
KEY	Supports DSA position​	Opposes​	◐ Partial/less sweeping​	— No clear public support found​	​	​	​	​
DSA definitions	​	Abolish police & prisons​	Abolish Senate​	Public ownership of largest corporations & essential industries​	Executive & judiciary chosen by/subordinate to Congress​	Abolish Electoral College​	End U.S. military & economic aid to Israel​	Government-financed insurance; not government-owned hospitals​
Endorsement notes	¹ Sanders: DSA endorsed him in 2020; not currently endorsed. ² AOC: NYC-DSA endorsed; national DSA withdrew endorsement in 2024. ³ Lee: past DSA endorsement/support.​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​

Well done and very illuminating, but I doubt it cuts through the crap. Post after post is about level and severity of how Democrats need to distance themselves from specific views. Like proving a negative.

From what I've seen, that is just how people telegraph that they are looking for the first thing to justify their opposition to any non center-right politician.

 

[gohawks50]

Well done and very illuminating, but I doubt it cuts through the crap. Post after post is about level and severity of how Democrats need to distance themselves from specific views. Like proving a negative.

From what I've seen, that is just how people telegraph that they are looking for the first thing to justify their opposition to any non center-right politician.

Agreed, they'd rather buy into the fear and be manipulated by PACs and social media.

 

[Ktrain1969]

@hawkeyetraveler

And since I'm a flaming libtard, I thought I'd put this one out there too.

Category	Current U.S. System	DSA Position	Project 2025 Position	Alaskanseminole's Position
Police & Criminal Justice	Local, state, and federal police; prisons are core institutions	Abolish police and prisons	Expand law enforcement priorities; strengthen policing and prosecution	Support law enforcement with accountability, de-escalation, and constitutional policing. Oppose abolishing police or blind "back the blue" tribalism. Need BETTER training.
U.S. Senate	Bicameral Congress with Senate and House	Abolish the Senate	No proposed change	Keep the Senate. Reform where needed, but preserve constitutional institutions.
Economy	Predominantly private ownership with regulated markets	Public ownership of the largest corporations and essential industries	Reduce regulation and federal economic intervention; promote private enterprise	Capitalist with guardrails. Support free markets, antitrust enforcement, closing tax loopholes, corporate accountability, and fiscal responsibility.
Executive Branch	President elected independently via Electoral College	Executive chosen by and subordinate to Congress	Strengthen presidential control over the executive branch	Support checks and balances. Oppose expanding executive power regardless of party.
Supreme Court	Independent Article III judiciary	Judiciary chosen by and subordinate to Congress	Retain Supreme Court; no proposal to subordinate it to Congress	Maintain an independent judiciary. Open to thoughtful reforms, not political control.
Israel / Palestine	U.S. recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital	Support a free Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital	Maintain recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital and support Israel	Support Israel's right to exist and defend itself while recognizing the humanity and legitimate concerns of Palestinian civilians. Jerusalem is Israel's Capital.
Reparations	No federal reparations program	Enact reparations for slavery	No proposed reparations program	Oppose reparations. Equal rights under the law should be the goal while recognizing racism still exists. Fix hearts and opportunities—not race-based compensation.
Housing	Primarily private housing with public assistance programs	Build new publicly owned social housing	Reduce housing regulations; encourage private development	Primarily private housing with targeted assistance, zoning reform, and reducing unnecessary regulations.
Higher Education	Public K–12; mixed public/private higher education with tuition	Free public education from pre-K through college	Reduce federal role in education; expand school choice; no universal free college	Make higher education more affordable by fixing market incentives, not making it free. Expand skilled trades and apprenticeships, reduce dependence on federal loans/grants that fuel tuition inflation, and recognize college isn't the only path to success. (Think Gary Johnson & Mike Rowe view points)

Run for president. I'm writing in alaskanseminole.

 

[Ktrain1969]

I would vote for you.

Seriously.

Beat me to it.

 

[Tom Paris]

from curiosity, which side is advocating adding funding to the coffers to address the debt?

Biden attempted pay fors by stopping wealthy tax cheats and raising taxes on the wealthy. We’ve been through this. Did you believe Ted Cruz when he scared Republican voters by lying about 87,000 IRS agents coming for them? Democrats are trying to get tax dollars from the 10% who hoards all the wealth in the country. It’s ridiculous that the first trillionaire claims a smaller salary than I do.

 

[baltimorened]

If college was free why wouldn’t colleges just triple tuition since the federal government would just pay any amount?

reparations? Can I just declare myself black ? If that is acceptable for gender why not?

we're going to need a heck of a lot more rich people to pay for all of this...but then they won't be rich anymore, and since the government now owns ( what happens to the stockholders? does everyone lose money in their 401k is the government takes over) all the corporations, how do we generate more rich people to pay the bills after a couple of years

 

[BrainVision]

Category	Current U.S. System	DSA Position	Project 2025 Position	Brainvision's Position
Police & Criminal Justice	Local, state, and federal police; prisons are core institutions	Abolish police and prisons	Expand law enforcement priorities; strengthen policing and prosecution	Support law enforcement with accountability, de-escalation, and constitutional policing. Disarm police, rather than Defund police. Abolish current prison system, rebuild an actual behavioral rehabilitation and mental health system.
U.S. Senate	Bicameral Congress with Senate and House	Abolish the Senate	No proposed change	Keep the Senate. Add seats for D.C., Puerto Rico, and all other U.S. territories.
Economy	Predominantly private ownership with regulated markets	Public ownership of the largest corporations and essential industries	Reduce regulation and federal economic intervention; promote private enterprise	"Capitalist with guardrails. Support free markets, antitrust enforcement, closing tax loopholes, corporate accountability, and fiscal responsibility." Same + guaranteed access to healthcare, food, housing, and education for all residents.
Executive Branch	President elected independently via Electoral College	Executive chosen by and subordinate to Congress	Strengthen presidential control over the executive branch	"Support checks and balances. Oppose expanding executive power regardless of party." Same + rein in the executive branch to be a co-equal power with Congress.
Supreme Court	Independent Article III judiciary	Judiciary chosen by and subordinate to Congress	Retain Supreme Court; no proposal to subordinate it to Congress	Maintain an independent judiciary. Require true bipartisan support for all nominees. Age limits for justices ~70. Strengthen ethics requirements and enforcement.
Israel / Palestine	U.S. recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital	Support a free Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital	Maintain recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital and support Israel	Support Israel's and Palestine's right to exist and defend itself while recognizing the humanity and legitimate concerns of Palestinian and Israeli civilians. The only U.S. engagement should be to prevent human rights abuses by either side.
Reparations	No federal reparations program	Enact reparations for slavery	No proposed reparations program	Support reparations in the form of robust, ongoing economic support for BIPOC residents.
Housing	Primarily private housing with public assistance programs	Build new publicly owned social housing	Reduce housing regulations; encourage private development	Carrot or Stick: Incentivize mass development of affordable housing by private industry. If private industry fails to perform, build as much public housing as required to house all residents. Adjust regulations to facilitate both options
Higher Education	Public K–12; mixed public/private higher education with tuition	Free public education from pre-K through college	Reduce federal role in education; expand school choice; no universal free college	Free public K-Professional School for all residents. No public funds to private education at all.

 

[SB_SB]

Thank goodness we have the constitution which forbids it. I'm just not going to lose sleep over something that's not happening, while ignoring something that is.

Interesting because that's the same response we heard from republicans when people were concerned about trump and the far right. Far left, far right, it's all bad.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Interesting because that's the same response we heard from republicans when people were concerned about trump and the far right. Far left, far right, it's all bad.

This is a little different. I'm being asked to worry about Muslim's enacting Shakira law (when they are not even close to having any sort of majority or power on their side of the aisle), no laws have been proposed enacting it, etc. But not worry about the many laws from Christian Nationalism, and MAGA absolutely having a HUGE amount of power on the right, including all three levels of government.

 

[SB_SB]

This is a little different. I'm being asked to worry about Muslim's enacting Shakira law (when they are not even close to having any sort of majority or power on their side of the aisle), no laws have been proposed enacting it, etc. But not worry about the many laws from Christian Nationalism, and MAGA absolutely having a HUGE amount of power on the right, including all three levels of government.

I didn't lose sleep over Christian Nationalism or MAGA prior to trump. It's amazing how a single election can make you start to lose some sleep. There needs to be third party because I'm losing sleep because of democrats and republicans.

 

[Moogy]

The pendulum swung so far right it only makes sense it will swing the other way.

Fascism can be either left-wing or right-wing ... so if the pendulum swung toward right-wing fascism under the reign of MAGAts, you're saying it makes sense that it'll swing to left-wing fascism ... and you're cool with that. The other alternative to left-wing fascism, at that level of extremism, is communism.

No, to reasonable people, that swing doesn't "make sense." It makes a catastrophe.

 

[Moral]

I just looked it up and apparently Al-Sayed has explicitly said he is not a member of DSA.

 

[gohawks50]

I didn't lose sleep over Christian Nationalism or MAGA prior to trump. It's amazing how a single election can make you start to lose some sleep. There needs to be third party because I'm losing sleep because of democrats and republicans.

Are you equating Trump's MAGA movement with a few progressive Democrats that are Muslim? I can't recall a time in US history where a major party's platform was simply whatever one man wants (Trump). The power of Democrat progressives pales in comparison to one Trump tweet.

 

[SB_SB]

Are you equating Trump's MAGA movement with a few progressive Democrats that are Muslim? I can't recall a time in US history where a major party's platform was simply whatever one man wants (Trump). The power of Democrat progressives pales in comparison to one Trump tweet.

What's I've learned is, don't underestimate the power of a single person or movement. Especially when a team is willing to sell it's soul just so the other team doesn't win.