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Mac9192

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That's pretty insulting to say that Black voters are that dumb as to have been duped for decades.
And it still doesn't answer my question about why he is considered racist. You actually have to bring something to the table for that, mac, rather than just dismissing anecdotal evidence to the contrary.
You just took a page out of the Liberal playbook. Just can't help yourself. I only answered your original reply. I said they've been duped for decades, but so have a lot of other Americans, but that's not what you brought up. I can't prove he's racist, no. But I believe he was. A lot of white liberals are. They live in ivory towers, but hey, they don't like poor white people either.

Nice deflection on the partnership between civil rights leaders and the Democratic party.
 

Mac9192

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Why is Trump said to be a racist by your side? He has plenty of black supporters as well. Biden is the one that talked about Obama being clean and articulate for a black man (even though he’s half white). He’s said other crazy stuff as well. Trump said there were some good people on both sides and the media ran with “he’s a racist.”
Yep. Libs are consistent. Emotions over facts.
 

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Why is Trump said to be a racist by your side? He has plenty of black supporters as well. Biden is the one that talked about Obama being clean and articulate for a black man (even though he’s half white). He’s said other crazy stuff as well. Trump said there were some good people on both sides and the media ran with “he’s a racist.”
Donald Trump has been known for racist ideology and behavior since his days as a private citizen: housing discrimination, the Central Park 5, the birther conspiracy, immigration rhetoric, slandering & dismantling DEI, increased hate crimes against BIPOC and other historically marginalized communities. There are reasons. I'll ask again: what's the evidence of racism against Biden?
 

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Yep. Libs are consistent. Emotions over facts.

Donald Trump has been known for racist ideology and behavior since his days as a private citizen: housing discrimination, the Central Park 5, the birther conspiracy, immigration rhetoric, slandering & dismantling DEI, increased hate crimes against BIPOC and other historically marginalized communities. There are reasons. I'll ask again: what's the evidence of racism against Biden?
^Facts
 

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You just took a page out of the Liberal playbook. Just can't help yourself. I only answered your original reply. I said they've been duped for decades, but so have a lot of other Americans, but that's not what you brought up. I can't prove he's racist, no. But I believe he was. A lot of white liberals are. They live in ivory towers, but hey, they don't like poor white people either.

Nice deflection on the partnership between civil rights leaders and the Democratic party.
There's no playbook. And saying there is doesn't actually address anything. It's a cheap, lazy form of condescension.

You haven't even provided any reasons. I have. But *I* am emotion over facts? lol

Your conspiracy theory about civil rights leaders and the Democratic party being in some kind of shady relationship with each other is baseless. Again, you offer no supporting evidence beyond your eye test. What's there for me to respond to?
 

Mac9192

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There's no playbook. And saying there is doesn't actually address anything. It's a cheap, lazy form of condescension.

You haven't even provided any reasons. I have. But *I* am emotion over facts? lol

Your conspiracy theory about civil rights leaders and the Democratic party being in some kind of shady relationship with each other is baseless. Again, you offer no supporting evidence beyond your eye test. What's there for me to respond to?

Gentlemen, that quivering that you’re feeling is good ol Datt. He’s about to blow, and be on a one/two week break.
 

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Gentlemen, that quivering that you’re feeling is good ol Datt. He’s about to blow, and be on a one/two week break.
You bore me. You can't keep up so you do this weak cosplay of how you think a smart person behaves. It's more than just a condescending tone and fake mind-reading, mac. You actually have to bring some substance other than your eye test.
 

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Donald Trump has been known for racist ideology and behavior since his days as a private citizen: housing discrimination, the Central Park 5, the birther conspiracy, immigration rhetoric, slandering & dismantling DEI, increased hate crimes against BIPOC and other historically marginalized communities. There are reasons. I'll ask again: what's the evidence of racism against Biden?
Known for racist ideology- yeah that’s very specific. lol

Housing discrimination- so that only applies to blacks

DEI - who ever came up with that is racist. Shouldn’t people be hired on merit and not race?

Birther conspiracy- I assume you’re talking about if you’re born in the US, you should be a citizen even though your parents broke the law to get here. Talk to people who came here legally and did the work to become US citizens. It really pisses them off too. I guess they’re racist too.

Increased hate crimes against BIPOC - That’s more from media rhetoric than Trump. The only people that are still discriminated against are the indigenous people. Why do you think so many multiracial people claim their race as black? It benefits them.

The ones who scream racism are usually the ones that are racist. They try to divert attention away from themselves. Would that be you?
 

Mac9192

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Just keep watching Datt. Slowly, truths come out. Maybe not at the speed some of us would like, but eventually, yes. Take the voting (cheating) argument. It isn't getting pub yet, but what we have been saying about people voting that aren't citizens, registered... is a real thing. Think this has been reported in New Jersey.
First it's No, our voting is secure, now I'm sure the response will be "Well it's not enough to sway any race." The responses were similar about Covid. Just give it time though.
 
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Donald Trump has been known for racist ideology and behavior since his days as a private citizen: housing discrimination, the Central Park 5, the birther conspiracy, immigration rhetoric, slandering & dismantling DEI, increased hate crimes against BIPOC and other historically marginalized communities. There are reasons. I'll ask again: what's the evidence of racism against Biden?
He doesn’t have Trump’s record, but Biden’s isn’t pristine. Not many in the public eye for four decades exit unscathed, however. As Kamala astutely pointed out during the Primaries, opposition to federal busing, and even worse spearheading legislation in 94 that led to mass incarceration of African American disproportionately, even worse than the status quo. Had to do with disparate sentencing of crack possession as opposed to powder cocaine iirc. Many leading civil rights advocates at the time thought that the distinction was a dog whistle of sorts since crack was attached to Black violence of the time and white doctors strung out on powder seldom robbed liquor stores, but that perception that he was a racist in some quarters lingered until things were smoothed over for the sake of the party in 08.

In more recent times, there’s been the use of ‘articulate’ to describe Obama as well as the “ If y’all don’t vote for me then you ain’t Black” debocle. Fairly insulting to present himself as the arbiter of who is authentically Black and who isn’t. So there’s evidence there but anyone raised in his generation is likely to make gaffes occasionally. I don’t see Biden as racist, just a clumsy orator at times. Some will think I’m giving him too much grace, but that’s just the way I see it.
 

Mac9192

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Donald Trump has been known for racist ideology and behavior since his days as a private citizen: housing discrimination, the Central Park 5, the birther conspiracy, immigration rhetoric, slandering & dismantling DEI, increased hate crimes against BIPOC and other historically marginalized communities. There are reasons. I'll ask again: what's the evidence of racism against Biden?
More propaganda you've bought from the media. One would have thought that a lot of what we've seen the last 5-6 years would make you question what you've been told.
 

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Known for racist ideology- yeah that’s very specific. lol

Housing discrimination- so that only applies to blacks

DEI - who ever came up with that is racist. Shouldn’t people be hired on merit and not race?

Birther conspiracy- I assume you’re talking about if you’re born in the US, you should be a citizen even though your parents broke the law to get here. Talk to people who came here legally and did the work to become US citizens. It really pisses them off too. I guess they’re racist too.

Increased hate crimes against BIPOC - That’s more from media rhetoric than Trump. The only people that are still discriminated against are the indigenous people. Why do you think so many multiracial people claim their race as black? It benefits them.

The ones who scream racism are usually the ones that are racist. They try to divert attention away from themselves. Would that be you?
The 2 words "racist ideology," taken together as a single linguistic construct, is not remotely specific... which is why I followed it with a list. How did you miss that?

Donald Trump's housing discrimination was specifically involving BIPOC, yes, absolutely.

You misunderstand what DEI is, just like Charlie Kirk and our President wanted. It does not eschew merit. It makes sure that qualified people are not omitted because of their race or other historically marginalized demographics. Would you deny that highly qualified BIPOC and women have been denied opportunities in the past?

No, the birther conspiracy is specifically about questioning our first ever Black President's citizenship. This one is so completely and thoroughly decided as racist you just need to read the room, and if you disagree, the burden is now on you to argue against an issue that was determined a long time ago.

FBI stats back up the stats on hate crimes. Known white supremacists have been very vocal in their support of Trump since his first campaign. It is not a coincidence.

"The ones who scream racism are usually the ones that are racist." That's stupid aML. Always has been. It's a much more common racist tactic to deny racism at every turn.

"Would that be you?" I'm open to the possibility that I still have some learning and unlearning to do about being antiracist, yes. And I do that work. I don't see enough intellectual curiosity or self-reflection for it to be worth my asking the same question in return.
 

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A seminal work on whether Trump has normalized racist rhetoric. Whether or not you agree with it is likely dependent on your political alignment. Trump critics allege with evidence that there is a correlative if not causal link between his rhetoric and actual violence, while his supporters would claim that his rhetoric isn’t racist, but a byproduct of the removal of cancel culture taboos
 

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If this is what you call logic, then please spare us all when you go on one of your usual rants. Biden was never a good politician, corrupt like many of them, but from 21-24, he didn't lead our country. It is more than fair to say Obama had his third term. I honestly felt sorry for Ol Joe while he was President. No caring family member would ever subject their loved one to what they did to him for over four years.

If we can't at least agree on this, then there's no hope at all moving forward.
If you feel Biden "didn't" lead the country, great, thats cool....but if so, at least he had people in place that were able to effectively keep things together....now you probably gonna disagree with the effectively keep things together part, but were people in high positions behaving and doing things we seeing now???

I do think the border thing is a fair assessment in yalls part, my take is that migrants knew that there was a more compassionate administration in place and took advantage of that and it def could've been handled better, still w/ compassion and decency imo
 

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If you feel Biden "didn't" lead the country, great, thats cool....but if so, at least he had people in place that were able to effectively keep things together....now you probably gonna disagree with the effectively keep things together part, but were people in high positions behaving and doing things we seeing now???

I do think the border thing is a fair assessment in yalls part, my take is that migrants knew that there was a more compassionate administration in place and took advantage of that and it def could've been handled better, still w/ compassion and decency imo
An estimated 300-400 k children were “misplaced” during the Biden years. No follow-up, no contact with a sponsor. The polar opposite of compassion.
 
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We don't see things the same. We can watch all day, side-by-side, and still not agree.

And I'm done trying with you.

Hang on, now...
What are you acknowledging here about President Trump's record?

@dukesince91 , take note...
That, despite your presentation of a laundry list of opinions as somehow proof of evidence, my own research has led me to believe that there’s some merit to your claims. I also contend that your rosy assessment of DEI practices misses the mark, that there were already anti discriminatory laws in place to fill that niche, that in practice DEI measures have resulted in quotas that lead to reverse discrimation against whites and Asians. Yet while I also recognize that anti DEI rhetoric can be and is used as a racist dog whistle, that doesn’t mean that the program should be insulated from all criticism if it leads to civil rights violations stemming from quotas
 
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An estimated 300-400 k children were “misplaced” during the Biden years. No follow-up, no contact with a sponsor. The polar opposite of compassion.

I have not found that...please share....i did find though that during the Biden administration, that about 540,000-550,000 unaccompanied migrants children were encountered and crossed the border and out of those, about 448,000 were released into the US to sponsors..it did say some tracking was off for a good percentage, def seems not handled as well as should have been, but they were placed, right??
 

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Thoughts on the McConnell situation?...if he is gone, how does that jive with you all and if he isn't, then why no actual verifiable call in to somewhere, video message to constituents and the such...
 

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If you feel Biden "didn't" lead the country, great, thats cool....but if so, at least he had people in place that were able to effectively keep things together....now you probably gonna disagree with the effectively keep things together part, but were people in high positions behaving and doing things we seeing now???

I do think the border thing is a fair assessment in yalls part, my take is that migrants knew that there was a more compassionate administration in place and took advantage of that and it def could've been handled better, still w/ compassion and decency imo
I’m gonna address the part in the border first. On the surface, what you’re saying sounds ok. But it doesn’t tell the truth at all. Of course, the outlets you watch didn’t say what I’m about to. Yeah tne migrants did take advantage of crossing the border because the “Biden” administration didn’t enforce it. And did you know that (according to the outlets I watched) there was no rapid dna testing done? This was available, but they chose not to do this. It only took 90 seconds, and verified whether the people coming in were relatives. Sounds like a no brainer to me. But no.

This is how kids of all ages were brought in and in many cases, sold, trafficked…. Did you know this? I doubt it, or you wouldn’t use the word compassion. If true, and I think it is, wouldn’t the word criminal be better suited for those in charge from 2021-24?

Now for your first part, which is a real humdinger of a view. You can sit wherever you are and say Biden had people in place? It’s been obvious it was nothing like you’re saying. Someone put people where they could accomplish what they wanted to do. Biden was also planted there, and then others were behind the scenes running the show. Biden was a patsy. Nothing more, nothing less. This man was kept away from the campaign trail, the most non seen Presidential candidate in modern times, yet we are supposed to believe he got the most votes in history?

I’ve got ocean front property on the western side of Tennessee for sale too.
 
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Please do share who gave you that sparkling information....until PROVEN otherwise, I have a hard time beleiveing the US government participated in allowing migrant children in to be sold and trafficked..."some" of that testing you referred to may be accurate, but about 440,000 of the number i mentioned earlier were handed over to family members or distant relatives...and it does say that tracking and court date stuff wasn't how it should have been....and on the other hand now, we have people who are adhering to showing up to court dates and stuff getting deported...def a tangled web...
 

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I have not found that...please share....i did find though that during the Biden administration, that about 540,000-550,000 unaccompanied migrants children were encountered and crossed the border and out of those, about 448,000 were released into the US to sponsors..it did say some tracking was off for a good percentage, def seems not handled as well as should have been, but they were placed, right??

32k didn’t show up for court hearings. 291 k didn’t receive court notices at all. The vast majority of these hopefully are with sponsors. Problem with that is most of the sponsors were unvetted. Long story short, the Biden admin had no idea where these kids were and had little interest in finding out. Majorcas testified at hearing that the border was secure. Therefore any crises stemming from an insecure, chaotic mess of a border was just Republican propoganda. To date DHS has located 146,00
of the kids.
 
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Please do share who gave you that sparkling information....until PROVEN otherwise, I have a hard time beleiveing the US government participated in allowing migrant children in to be sold and trafficked..."some" of that testing you referred to may be accurate, but about 440,000 of the number i mentioned earlier were handed over to family members or distant relatives...and it does say that tracking and court date stuff wasn't how it should have been....and on the other hand now, we have people who are adhering to showing up to court dates and stuff getting deported...def a tangled web...

314 dna tests out of 2.7 million migrants claiming familial ties crossing from Sept 21 to Sept 24. Of 95 locations on the SW border 86 of them administered exactly zero DNA tests.
We don’t know who these kids were placed with and why.
 
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I read all that as not the US government allowing trafficking upon their arrival into US custody and such but being taken advantage of on the way here by the cartels...100% there are human trafficking risks when people so desperate to get here are paying people and sending their kids off to get, being fed false promises and getting taken advantage of...
 
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I read all that as not the US government allowing trafficking upon their arrival into US custody and such but being taken advantage of on the way here by the cartels...100% there are human trafficking risks when people so desperate to get here are paying people and sending their kids off to get, being fed false promises and getting taken advantage of...
It wasn’t just “on the way here”. Among other things a legal sponsor of an unaccompanied minor must pass a background check and ensure that the minor attends future court hearings. We’ve already established that there was virtually no vetting of sponsors from 2021-2024 and most minors never received a court date. Why is the court date important? This allows the sponsor to present a care plan and update the judge as to the child’s welfare. A sponsor is typically an immediate or extended family member, but this requires dna testing for obvious reasons. An unrelated adult can also apply for sponsorship, but in these cases vetting is even more urgent to prevent exploitation at best, abuse at worst. Some, impossible to know how many, minors are teenage boys working for the cartel. 100% there are human trafficking risks when our fed govt abdicates its border.


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You’ll probably dismiss this @BOOGIEMAN1914. I know @Ghost of Dattier will.
Small or not, your side has been pounding the gavel that elections are secure. I’m sure there’s more out there. Just giving you more sparkling information like you asked.
The Democratic governor of NJ announced that 6,600 people were accidentally registered due to a software glitch and that around 400 of them cast ballots in at least one election. 400. The glitch started in 2023 and was addressed beginning in 2024.

That's 1 out of every 17 noncitizens who were accidentally -- repeat, accidentally -- registered. That's 0.0001% of all votes cast in 2024 -- one one-hundredth of one percent. One percent of one percent.

When I was in college, a friend's mother was murdered. When the guy arrested and tried for it was acquitted, my friend said something that has stuck with me ever since. She said she would rather a guilty person go free than have an innocent person go to prison. It was pretty amazing to me for someone who had every reason to be blinded by vengeance to think so clearly and responsibly about it. Our court system is set up that way, too. The burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the defense. Convictions require a unanimous vote. Defenses are often much better funded than prosecutions.

While we should be concerned about any and all fraudulent votes, just like any and all welfare fraud, we should not be so blinded by vengeance that we would be willing to disenfranchise anyone who has the right to vote or is in need of social services.

"The Trump administration, which offers no evidence for its claims of widespread election fraud, quickly used Sherrill’s announcement to call on Congress to pass a bill to restrict voting rights." That's a good parrot, mac.

The SAVE Act ain't passing. See what GOP Senator Thom Tillis has said about it.

I forgive you for claiming I would dismiss this.
 
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It wasn’t just “on the way here”. Among other things a legal sponsor of an unaccompanied minor must pass a background check and ensure that the minor attends future court hearings. We’ve already established that there was virtually no vetting of sponsors from 2021-2024 and most minors never received a court date. Why is the court date important? This allows the sponsor to present a care plan and update the judge as to the child’s welfare. A sponsor is typically an immediate or extended family member, but this requires dna testing for obvious reasons. An unrelated adult can also apply for sponsorship, but in these cases vetting is even more urgent to prevent exploitation at best, abuse at worst. Some, impossible to know how many, minors are teenage boys working for the cartel. 100% there are human trafficking risks when our fed govt abdicates its border.
I acknowledge the sloppiness around ensuring the safety of unaccompanied minors.
Is there evidence and stats that any of them were, in fact, trafficked?
 

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The 2 words "racist ideology," taken together as a single linguistic construct, is not remotely specific... which is why I followed it with a list. How did you miss that?

Donald Trump's housing discrimination was specifically involving BIPOC, yes, absolutely.

You misunderstand what DEI is, just like Charlie Kirk and our President wanted. It does not eschew merit. It makes sure that qualified people are not omitted because of their race or other historically marginalized demographics. Would you deny that highly qualified BIPOC and women have been denied opportunities in the past?

No, the birther conspiracy is specifically about questioning our first ever Black President's citizenship. This one is so completely and thoroughly decided as racist you just need to read the room, and if you disagree, the burden is now on you to argue against an issue that was determined a long time ago.

FBI stats back up the stats on hate crimes. Known white supremacists have been very vocal in their support of Trump since his first campaign. It is not a coincidence.

"The ones who scream racism are usually the ones that are racist." That's stupid aML. Always has been. It's a much more common racist tactic to deny racism at every turn.

"Would that be you?" I'm open to the possibility that I still have some learning and unlearning to do about being antiracist, yes. And I do that work. I don't see enough intellectual curiosity or self-reflection for it to be worth my asking the same question in return.
You can twist anything around to fit your agenda. You’ve been brainwashed, which is sad considering your vocabulary. DEI sounds good, but there’s a helluva lot of people sitting in positions that don’t deserve to be based on their race. I’ve witnessed this at NCDPI. How is questioning anyone’s citizenship racist? I’m not racist, but I am prejudice.
 
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I acknowledge the sloppiness around ensuring the safety of unaccompanied minors.
Is there evidence and stats that any of them were, in fact, trafficked?
You want stats on evidence of trafficking? This is rich, especially coming from the side that dismissed the movie “Sound of Freedom.”
 
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I acknowledge the sloppiness around ensuring the safety of unaccompanied minors.
Is there evidence and stats that any of them were, in fact, trafficked?

As I’ve shown, roughly half of the nearly 300k children who never received court dates or follow-up are still unaccounted for. I’m not claiming that 150k kids have been trafficked, but we simply don’t know. There’s also no dispute that the cartels are heavily involved in a high percentage of unaccompanied minor border crossings. The cartels are highly invested in child trafficking. We’ll never know how many. Getting these kids to testify is extremely difficult as their lives are at stake.
 

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I acknowledge the sloppiness around ensuring the safety of unaccompanied minors.
Is there evidence and stats that any of them were, in fact, trafficked?
“Sloppiness”? Good one. Shockingly cavalier when you consider what we’re dealing with here. An admin that passes legislation early in his term to “ fight human trafficking” and then proceeds for the next four years to dismantle border security and sponsor protocols, all but ensuring that children are exploited, trafficked, and/ or enslaved.
 
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You want stats on evidence of trafficking? This is rich, especially coming from the side that dismissed the movie “Sound of Freedom.”
“Lax border security, in conjunction with nonexistent interior enforcement, has created a fertile environment for human trafficking”
 

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Reading some more on the topic, the sexual exploitation part/trafficking... definitely bad things happened on the journey, terrible....once made to the border and in US hands...sponsors, family members, and distant relatives are given "custody" of the children....as already stated, the tracking thereafter definitely is lacking, but from what read, it is assumptions of what could be happening once here since tracking isn't been done as it should...again not good at all
We really need set upon rules for everything at the border establishing how things are going to go whether republican or democrat administration and not manipulated by either administration, effectively this is how it is 100% of the time....fair???