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[Mac9192]

That's pretty insulting to say that Black voters are that dumb as to have been duped for decades.
And it still doesn't answer my question about why he is considered racist. You actually have to bring something to the table for that, mac, rather than just dismissing anecdotal evidence to the contrary.

You just took a page out of the Liberal playbook. Just can't help yourself. I only answered your original reply. I said they've been duped for decades, but so have a lot of other Americans, but that's not what you brought up. I can't prove he's racist, no. But I believe he was. A lot of white liberals are. They live in ivory towers, but hey, they don't like poor white people either.

Nice deflection on the partnership between civil rights leaders and the Democratic party.

 

[Mac9192]

Why is Trump said to be a racist by your side? He has plenty of black supporters as well. Biden is the one that talked about Obama being clean and articulate for a black man (even though he’s half white). He’s said other crazy stuff as well. Trump said there were some good people on both sides and the media ran with “he’s a racist.”

Yep. Libs are consistent. Emotions over facts.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Why is Trump said to be a racist by your side? He has plenty of black supporters as well. Biden is the one that talked about Obama being clean and articulate for a black man (even though he’s half white). He’s said other crazy stuff as well. Trump said there were some good people on both sides and the media ran with “he’s a racist.”

Donald Trump has been known for racist ideology and behavior since his days as a private citizen: housing discrimination, the Central Park 5, the birther conspiracy, immigration rhetoric, slandering & dismantling DEI, increased hate crimes against BIPOC and other historically marginalized communities. There are reasons. I'll ask again: what's the evidence of racism against Biden?

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Yep. Libs are consistent. Emotions over facts.

Donald Trump has been known for racist ideology and behavior since his days as a private citizen: housing discrimination, the Central Park 5, the birther conspiracy, immigration rhetoric, slandering & dismantling DEI, increased hate crimes against BIPOC and other historically marginalized communities. There are reasons. I'll ask again: what's the evidence of racism against Biden?

^Facts

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

You just took a page out of the Liberal playbook. Just can't help yourself. I only answered your original reply. I said they've been duped for decades, but so have a lot of other Americans, but that's not what you brought up. I can't prove he's racist, no. But I believe he was. A lot of white liberals are. They live in ivory towers, but hey, they don't like poor white people either.

Nice deflection on the partnership between civil rights leaders and the Democratic party.

There's no playbook. And saying there is doesn't actually address anything. It's a cheap, lazy form of condescension.

You haven't even provided any reasons. I have. But *I* am emotion over facts? lol

Your conspiracy theory about civil rights leaders and the Democratic party being in some kind of shady relationship with each other is baseless. Again, you offer no supporting evidence beyond your eye test. What's there for me to respond to?

 

[Mac9192]

There's no playbook. And saying there is doesn't actually address anything. It's a cheap, lazy form of condescension.

You haven't even provided any reasons. I have. But *I* am emotion over facts? lol

Your conspiracy theory about civil rights leaders and the Democratic party being in some kind of shady relationship with each other is baseless. Again, you offer no supporting evidence beyond your eye test. What's there for me to respond to?

^Facts

Gentlemen, that quivering that you’re feeling is good ol Datt. He’s about to blow, and be on a one/two week break.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Gentlemen, that quivering that you’re feeling is good ol Datt. He’s about to blow, and be on a one/two week break.

You bore me. You can't keep up so you do this weak cosplay of how you think a smart person behaves. It's more than just a condescending tone and fake mind-reading, mac. You actually have to bring some substance other than your eye test.

 

[dukesince91]

Donald Trump has been known for racist ideology and behavior since his days as a private citizen: housing discrimination, the Central Park 5, the birther conspiracy, immigration rhetoric, slandering & dismantling DEI, increased hate crimes against BIPOC and other historically marginalized communities. There are reasons. I'll ask again: what's the evidence of racism against Biden?

Known for racist ideology- yeah that’s very specific. lol

Housing discrimination- so that only applies to blacks

DEI - who ever came up with that is racist. Shouldn’t people be hired on merit and not race?

Birther conspiracy- I assume you’re talking about if you’re born in the US, you should be a citizen even though your parents broke the law to get here. Talk to people who came here legally and did the work to become US citizens. It really pisses them off too. I guess they’re racist too.

Increased hate crimes against BIPOC - That’s more from media rhetoric than Trump. The only people that are still discriminated against are the indigenous people. Why do you think so many multiracial people claim their race as black? It benefits them.

The ones who scream racism are usually the ones that are racist. They try to divert attention away from themselves. Would that be you?

 

[Mac9192]

Just keep watching Datt. Slowly, truths come out. Maybe not at the speed some of us would like, but eventually, yes. Take the voting (cheating) argument. It isn't getting pub yet, but what we have been saying about people voting that aren't citizens, registered... is a real thing. Think this has been reported in New Jersey.
First it's No, our voting is secure, now I'm sure the response will be "Well it's not enough to sway any race." The responses were similar about Covid. Just give it time though.

 

[KDSTONE]

Donald Trump has been known for racist ideology and behavior since his days as a private citizen: housing discrimination, the Central Park 5, the birther conspiracy, immigration rhetoric, slandering & dismantling DEI, increased hate crimes against BIPOC and other historically marginalized communities. There are reasons. I'll ask again: what's the evidence of racism against Biden?

He doesn’t have Trump’s record, but Biden’s isn’t pristine. Not many in the public eye for four decades exit unscathed, however. As Kamala astutely pointed out during the Primaries, opposition to federal busing, and even worse spearheading legislation in 94 that led to mass incarceration of African American disproportionately, even worse than the status quo. Had to do with disparate sentencing of crack possession as opposed to powder cocaine iirc. Many leading civil rights advocates at the time thought that the distinction was a dog whistle of sorts since crack was attached to Black violence of the time and white doctors strung out on powder seldom robbed liquor stores, but that perception that he was a racist in some quarters lingered until things were smoothed over for the sake of the party in 08.

In more recent times, there’s been the use of ‘articulate’ to describe Obama as well as the “ If y’all don’t vote for me then you ain’t Black” debocle. Fairly insulting to present himself as the arbiter of who is authentically Black and who isn’t. So there’s evidence there but anyone raised in his generation is likely to make gaffes occasionally. I don’t see Biden as racist, just a clumsy orator at times. Some will think I’m giving him too much grace, but that’s just the way I see it.

 

[Mac9192]

Donald Trump has been known for racist ideology and behavior since his days as a private citizen: housing discrimination, the Central Park 5, the birther conspiracy, immigration rhetoric, slandering & dismantling DEI, increased hate crimes against BIPOC and other historically marginalized communities. There are reasons. I'll ask again: what's the evidence of racism against Biden?

More propaganda you've bought from the media. One would have thought that a lot of what we've seen the last 5-6 years would make you question what you've been told.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Known for racist ideology- yeah that’s very specific. lol

Housing discrimination- so that only applies to blacks

DEI - who ever came up with that is racist. Shouldn’t people be hired on merit and not race?

Birther conspiracy- I assume you’re talking about if you’re born in the US, you should be a citizen even though your parents broke the law to get here. Talk to people who came here legally and did the work to become US citizens. It really pisses them off too. I guess they’re racist too.

Increased hate crimes against BIPOC - That’s more from media rhetoric than Trump. The only people that are still discriminated against are the indigenous people. Why do you think so many multiracial people claim their race as black? It benefits them.

The ones who scream racism are usually the ones that are racist. They try to divert attention away from themselves. Would that be you?

The 2 words "racist ideology," taken together as a single linguistic construct, is not remotely specific... which is why I followed it with a list. How did you miss that?

Donald Trump's housing discrimination was specifically involving BIPOC, yes, absolutely.

You misunderstand what DEI is, just like Charlie Kirk and our President wanted. It does not eschew merit. It makes sure that qualified people are not omitted because of their race or other historically marginalized demographics. Would you deny that highly qualified BIPOC and women have been denied opportunities in the past?

No, the birther conspiracy is specifically about questioning our first ever Black President's citizenship. This one is so completely and thoroughly decided as racist you just need to read the room, and if you disagree, the burden is now on you to argue against an issue that was determined a long time ago.

FBI stats back up the stats on hate crimes. Known white supremacists have been very vocal in their support of Trump since his first campaign. It is not a coincidence.

"The ones who scream racism are usually the ones that are racist." That's stupid aML. Always has been. It's a much more common racist tactic to deny racism at every turn.

"Would that be you?" I'm open to the possibility that I still have some learning and unlearning to do about being antiracist, yes. And I do that work. I don't see enough intellectual curiosity or self-reflection for it to be worth my asking the same question in return.

 

[KDSTONE]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364661322003308?__cf_chl_tk=6yrroM0MHVp_lJkTOtsQ9oJiZ.kGGWgyJ7BpFd6djJM-1784756156-1.0.1.1-WcfSRi.sOZBIFx11_5eFWnmcVmcxRUajD8IamIOAaqA

A seminal work on whether Trump has normalized racist rhetoric. Whether or not you agree with it is likely dependent on your political alignment. Trump critics allege with evidence that there is a correlative if not causal link between his rhetoric and actual violence, while his supporters would claim that his rhetoric isn’t racist, but a byproduct of the removal of cancel culture taboos

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Just keep watching Datt.

We don't see things the same. We can watch all day, side-by-side, and still not agree.

And I'm done trying with you.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

He doesn’t have Trump’s record, but Biden’s isn’t pristine.

Hang on, now...
What are you acknowledging here about President Trump's record?

@dukesince91 , take note...

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

More propaganda you've bought from the media. One would have thought that a lot of what we've seen the last 5-6 years would make you question what you've been told.

I doubt you can provide any support other than your eye test.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

If this is what you call logic, then please spare us all when you go on one of your usual rants. Biden was never a good politician, corrupt like many of them, but from 21-24, he didn't lead our country. It is more than fair to say Obama had his third term. I honestly felt sorry for Ol Joe while he was President. No caring family member would ever subject their loved one to what they did to him for over four years.

If we can't at least agree on this, then there's no hope at all moving forward.

If you feel Biden "didn't" lead the country, great, thats cool....but if so, at least he had people in place that were able to effectively keep things together....now you probably gonna disagree with the effectively keep things together part, but were people in high positions behaving and doing things we seeing now???

I do think the border thing is a fair assessment in yalls part, my take is that migrants knew that there was a more compassionate administration in place and took advantage of that and it def could've been handled better, still w/ compassion and decency imo

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

Yeah, but for 80, and I know you don't want to admit it, he is pretty sharp though. @Ghost of Dattier won't admit it. He's too rigid. Out of our three lefty posters, you're the most rational.

That's not saying a lot though.

I don't deserve your jabs, I have plenty I could toss your way

 

[KDSTONE]

If you feel Biden "didn't" lead the country, great, thats cool....but if so, at least he had people in place that were able to effectively keep things together....now you probably gonna disagree with the effectively keep things together part, but were people in high positions behaving and doing things we seeing now???

I do think the border thing is a fair assessment in yalls part, my take is that migrants knew that there was a more compassionate administration in place and took advantage of that and it def could've been handled better, still w/ compassion and decency imo

An estimated 300-400 k children were “misplaced” during the Biden years. No follow-up, no contact with a sponsor. The polar opposite of compassion.

 

[KDSTONE]

We don't see things the same. We can watch all day, side-by-side, and still not agree.

And I'm done trying with you.

Hang on, now...
What are you acknowledging here about President Trump's record?

@dukesince91 , take note...

That, despite your presentation of a laundry list of opinions as somehow proof of evidence, my own research has led me to believe that there’s some merit to your claims. I also contend that your rosy assessment of DEI practices misses the mark, that there were already anti discriminatory laws in place to fill that niche, that in practice DEI measures have resulted in quotas that lead to reverse discrimation against whites and Asians. Yet while I also recognize that anti DEI rhetoric can be and is used as a racist dog whistle, that doesn’t mean that the program should be insulated from all criticism if it leads to civil rights violations stemming from quotas

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

An estimated 300-400 k children were “misplaced” during the Biden years. No follow-up, no contact with a sponsor. The polar opposite of compassion.

I have not found that...please share....i did find though that during the Biden administration, that about 540,000-550,000 unaccompanied migrants children were encountered and crossed the border and out of those, about 448,000 were released into the US to sponsors..it did say some tracking was off for a good percentage, def seems not handled as well as should have been, but they were placed, right??