So Congress is about to vote on time change

[Pilgrimdawg]

Indiana used to not recognize it in counties in the Eastern time zone, but finally switched 20 years ago.

I had a customer years ago in Union City, IN. One side of the highway right through the center of town was one way, and the other side of the highway was the other way. It was all very confusing.

 

[Pookieray]

and it sounds like all 50 states will have the have the option to vote for or against changing the clocks . Is it me or does this sound like a giant CF ?

It aint just you, These AZZHATS in congress just cant keep from tripping over their own shoestrings! I cannot think of any reason as to why this has to be so difficult.

 

[Pookieray]

Where does Trump stand on the issue because that will determine if the Democrats are for it or not.

I hope he is against it, please.

 

[patdog]

It’s already the earliest possible sunrise now, when DST goes away and shifts back to standard in the winter time.

If DST is kept year round, the later sunrise time in the winter has often been cited as a negative. I don’t get it.

That's because the 7:30 sunrise probably isn't as big a deal to people in NW Alabama as a 10:00 sunrise might be to people in NW North Dakota or Michigan.

 

[Pilgrimdawg]

After they moved the time change two weeks to the good several years ago I like it where it is. A couple of decades ago it was about 50/50 and that was terrible. Now I like it.

As a massive bow hunter and turkey hunter I can’t imagine not shooting a deer until almost 6:30 pm and having to find and clean it and not getting to my supper and whiskey until almost 9 pm.

I like it getting dark at 5:20 in the dead of winter and being done early still.

I’m dying to climb a tree I case you couldn’t tell.

I agree. I hunt almost every afternoon. Getting dark at 5:00 keeps me from getting home so late. Especially if I shoot.

 

[vhdawg]

"Daylight savings" time really isn't saving any daylight.

No ****?

 

[dorndawg]

I used to be in the crowd of DST all the time as well, but it doesn’t work, especially if you live up north and if you live on the eastern side of a time zone. Just leave it alone and continue to change the time, we already did this once in the 70s and everyone hated it. Why are we doing it again and why are we allowing each state to decide?

"learning lessons" isn't really our thing

 

[She Mate Me]

This thread makes it pretty obvious there’ll never be any kind of consensus because people are different and have different priorities.

I really don’t care, but doing away with the seasonal time changes and letting various entities adjust their work, school, etc. hours seems like it makes sense. People will figure out what makes sense and adjust.

 

[pmack3641]

Glad we can address the big issues**

I’m surprised they’re even looking at a bill, those clowns haven’t done one thing this term.

 

[johnson86-1]

This was tried by Jimmy Carter in the 1970s. It was going to be a temporary two year deal during the energy crisis. It was hated so much that Congress ended it after one year. I remember getting to school in the morning while it was still dark, and I lived next door.

The only survey I have to go on is being there and experiencing it and it really sucked . Especially for school children and their parents .

https://www.nytimes.com/1974/10/01/archives/senate-votes-return-to-standard-time-for-four-months-and-sends-bill.html

So it looks like support dropped to 42% at probably the worst time of the year? Also, apparently there were claims that school children were being hit by cars because of it, but there wasn't a real documented increase in accidents, so possibly some of that 58% that didn't approve of it were against it for unfounded safety reasons.

58% disapproval is a relatively strong preference in public opinion, but that's not exactly overwhelmingly negative, especially without knowing how many people were fine with it personally but mistakenly thought it was a bigger safety risk than it was. Definitely not a reason to not try it at all.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

I’m hearing that as of right now it won’t make it out of the senate. We will see. Just what Ive been told.

 

[L4Dawg]

https://www.nytimes.com/1974/10/01/archives/senate-votes-return-to-standard-time-for-four-months-and-sends-bill.html

So it looks like support dropped to 42% at probably the worst time of the year? Also, apparently there were claims that school children were being hit by cars because of it, but there wasn't a real documented increase in accidents, so possibly some of that 58% that didn't approve of it were against it for unfounded safety reasons.

58% disapproval is a relatively strong preference in public opinion, but that's not exactly overwhelmingly negative, especially without knowing how many people were fine with it personally but mistakenly thought it was a bigger safety risk than it was. Definitely not a reason to not try it at all.

Except that it has been tried. I don’t remember anyone who liked it at the time. Now I was a kid in school 5th grade. Sunrise around 8 o’clock in December was terrible. It was still getting dark at 6, so not that much time to do anything outside after work.

 

[mcdawg22]

Except that it has been tried. I don’t remember anyone who liked it at the time. Now I was a kid in school 5th grade. Sunrise around 8 o’clock in December was terrible. It was still getting dark at 6, so not that much time to do anything outside after work.

I can tell you I would love it. I get it was unpopular by all of your scientific research as a 10 year old in 1974, but I promise you there is half the population that would prefer it. That’s why it just needs to stay as it is because it offers compromise to both sides. I honestly wonder if this effort is to just remove the requirement for a state to get approval for it all year long. Floridians would most likely prefer dst all year round since afternoon recreation is a big part or life and our economy.

 

[GloryDawg]

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The commies are not hiding anymore.

 

[L4Dawg]

I can tell you I would love it. I get it was unpopular by all of your scientific research as a 10 year old in 1974, but I promise you there is half the population that would prefer it. That’s why it just needs to stay as it is because it offers compromise to both sides. I honestly wonder if this effort is to just remove the requirement for a state to get approval for it all year long. Floridians would most likely prefer dst all year round since afternoon recreation is a big part or life and our economy.

It was so unpopular that the population forced Congress to repeal it a year early. That doesn’t happen much.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Just an FYI the vote didn’t really fall along party lines. It was very regionally based which makes total sense.

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2026/07/14/congress/house-votes-for-daylight-saving-time-00997817

 

[cowbell88]

If you're going to change to DST year-round and then adjust school/work hours, how is that any different than just keeping it like it is now?

This is what I’ve said for years. From Nov 15-March 15: school goes 9-4, then 8-3 rest of time.

 

[olblue]

Where does Trump stand on the issue because that will determine if the Democrats are for it or not.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

I finally looked at the bill, and it doesn't look like states get a choice in the matter after all. Everyone is going to permanent DST, except for AZ and HI which already opted out of DST.

At least thats the way I read it. Its confusing because it is just a bunch of amendments to existing statutes.

I guess states can still apply to switch all or part of their State to a different time zone, but there won't be any option to just stay on standard time

Which is really weird. If the whole country is on daylight savings time, isnt that by definition the new "standard time"? I guess if you go by UTC then our time zones will be off by an hour...but sonce when have international standards gotten in our way before?

AZ would argue they are still on standard time, but they are really going to be on Pacific Daylight Time even though they are in the Mountain time zone.

 

[ckDOG]

So we're really going to do this, hate it just like last time, and go back to what we do now in 2 years?

 

[johnson86-1]

Except that it has been tried. I don’t remember anyone who liked it at the time. Now I was a kid in school 5th grade. Sunrise around 8 o’clock in December was terrible. It was still getting dark at 6, so not that much time to do anything outside after work.

Do you even bother reading? Or do you like to find creative ways to be wrong. The whole point of the post you were responding to was that it was tried and it wasn’t that unpopular.

 

[HotMop]

I can tell you I would love it. I get it was unpopular by all of your scientific research as a 10 year old in 1974, but I promise you there is half the population that would prefer it. That’s why it just needs to stay as it is because it offers compromise to both sides. I honestly wonder if this effort is to just remove the requirement for a state to get approval for it all year long. Floridians would most likely prefer dst all year round since afternoon recreation is a big part or life and our economy.

Especially those of us that are on Central Time having to deal with the worst side of a time zone.

 

[Chesusdog]

He also ran on no more wars. Just sayin.

And he would have gotten away with it if Israel hadn't told him to start one.

 

[Hotdiggydawg]

That's because the 7:30 sunrise probably isn't as big a deal to people in NW Alabama as a 10:00 sunrise might be to people in NW North Dakota or Michigan.

So a 10:00 sunrise in NW Dakota or Michigan will make a big difference over a 9:00 sunrise? People working are probably already at work anyways and retired people will just sleep later.

 

[L4Dawg]

Do you even bother reading? Or do you like to find creative ways to be wrong. The whole point of the post you were responding to was that it was tried and it wasn’t that unpopular.

It was so unpopular that Congress ended it a year early under tremendous pressure from the public. You are flat out ignoring the history on this. It is a matter of record. It won't be popular this time either. Wait till December and January.

 

[patdog]

So a 10:00 sunrise in NW Dakota or Michigan will make a big difference over a 9:00 sunrise? People working are probably already at work anyways and retired people will just sleep later.

It would suck 1 hour more than a 9AM sunrise does now.

 

[mcdawg22]

Especially those of us that are on Central Time having to deal with the worst side of a time zone.

If just Florida went to it my only complaint would be the National Championship game ending at 2 am.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

And he would have gotten away with it if Israel hadn't told him to start one.

If it weren’t for those meddling kids

 

[The Peeper]

I'm personally a LOT more productive in daylight after 5:00pm than I am in daylight before 8:00 am. Kids in my neighborhood in Starkville are already sitting outside at 6:30 a.m. in the winter months to catch the bus, little kids at that, so it won't change for them

 

[johnson86-1]

It was so unpopular that Congress ended it a year early under tremendous pressure from the public. You are flat out ignoring the history on this. It is a matter of record. It won't be popular this time either. Wait till December and January.

Again, the history was in the link, but I guess reading limits ways for you to be creatively wrong while also being certain. When it was unpopular, it was still less unpopular than switching back and forth. And that was with the influence of people incorrectly believing it caused a spike in children being killed trying to get to school.

People are going to ***** when it changes just like they ***** now because it matters a lot where you are in a timezone and also latitude. And then there is personal preference. I personally am fine going to work in the dark in exchange for some light when I get off. Hell, I'd work in the dark for the first two hours in exchange for more time when I get off, but of course not everyone's work can be done in the dark easily and some people prefer getting ready when it's light outside even if it means it's dark when they get home because that is probably what's easier for your body when getting up even if it's worse for you to not spend anytime outside in the daylight for weeks on end. But the idea that it has been proven it's way less popular is just false. 22% liked switching back and forth. 42% liked it when we stayed on DST. That means a good chunk of people just hate having less daylight and mistakenly attribute their dislike of that to the status quo, regardless of which way it goes.

 

[thekimmer]

A complete CF if States can decide it and don't all follow suit.

They can decide for themselves now. Arizona opted out of DST in 1968 and Hawaii has never done it as far as I know. Puerto Rico does not do DST either.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

If you're going to change to DST year-round and then adjust school/work hours, how is that any different than just keeping it like it is now?

Honestly, I think a legit question is why are we making K-5 start at 7AM? It isn't good for their sleep which isn't good for their education. Just align all the school schedules K-12 to start at 8:30 and end at 3:30. Having to wake up a kindergartener at 6AM to get them to school is stupid.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

You're the dumbest person I've ever seen on the internet.

Rule 1: The cult leader is always right.

 

[L4Dawg]

Again, the history was in the link, but I guess reading limits ways for you to be creatively wrong while also being certain. When it was unpopular, it was still less unpopular than switching back and forth. And that was with the influence of people incorrectly believing it caused a spike in children being killed trying to get to school.

People are going to ***** when it changes just like they ***** now because it matters a lot where you are in a timezone and also latitude. And then there is personal preference. I personally am fine going to work in the dark in exchange for some light when I get off. Hell, I'd work in the dark for the first two hours in exchange for more time when I get off, but of course not everyone's work can be done in the dark easily and some people prefer getting ready when it's light outside even if it means it's dark when they get home because that is probably what's easier for your body when getting up even if it's worse for you to not spend anytime outside in the daylight for weeks on end. But the idea that it has been proven it's way less popular is just false. 22% liked switching back and forth. 42% liked it when we stayed on DST. That means a good chunk of people just hate having less daylight and mistakenly attribute their dislike of that to the status quo, regardless of which way it goes.

You are still ignoring the fact that it was overwhelming public pressure that forced Congress to end it a year early.

 

[She Mate Me]

Honestly, I think a legit question is why are we making K-5 start at 7AM? It isn't good for their sleep which isn't good for their education. Just align all the school schedules K-12 to start at 8:30 and end at 3:30. Having to wake up a kindergartener at 6AM to get them to school is stupid.

Absolutely. I honestly think school schedules should change as the sunlight hours change to maximize kids being in daylight, but I know that is really difficult when trying to coordinate with adult work schedules.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

They're doing it to keep from doing their jobs of focusing on the more important issues. Vote all of
em out

Then we just get new idiots in. Politicians reflect the public.

What makes no sense to me is letting the states, who are spread out all over, decide what they want to do. That's utter stupidity. Some things need to have a national standard. Hey why don't we let each state come up with their own currency too?

 

[OG Goat Holder]

If I'm going to work in the dark, I don't really care if it's dark for 30 minutes or an hour and a half. But having 15 minutes of daylight after work or an hour and 15 minutes of daylight after work makes a big difference.

But also, at times in Mississippi t's basically daylight from 6:30am to 5:15ish pm. You've got an hour daylight while the average person is getting ready for work and no daylight when the average person is getting home. It makes perfect sense that people would want to change that.

That is an interesting way of looking at it. I sure as hell don't care what it's like on my morning commute (which is usually in the dark anyway). And this will likely cause the bums and the idiots to sleep later so I deal with them less.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

If I were king I’d start the work day at 9 or 10 and end it at 3 or 4. I’m betting we’d see a minimal drop in productivity and see a big improvement in quality of life. We only work sunup to sundown because that’s how great granddaddy set it up.

Granddaddy set it up that way because it's normal to be awake/moving during the day and asleep/still at night. You can see to get things done, no matter what it is. Not to mention bad things happen in the dark. Nowadays with electricity that seems not to matter as much but there still seems like there's something to that idea.

 

[johnson86-1]

Honestly, I think a legit question is why are we making K-5 start at 7AM? It isn't good for their sleep which isn't good for their education. Just align all the school schedules K-12 to start at 8:30 and end at 3:30. Having to wake up a kindergartener at 6AM to get them to school is stupid.

It's for bus schedules. So they make everybody worse off even if 3% of the students ride the bus.

 

[o_Hot Rock]

I am about to retire, I don't really care what the clock says after next spring and I retire. The only time I will care is if there is an event I want to attend and most of those are fine at night or day so I don't have a strong opinion.

I don't recall how they proved it but DST supposedly saved money because less electricity is used in the evening if the days are longer in the evening. If there is a real cost savings or power usage drop for DST, it would influence my choice.