So Congress is about to vote on time change

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If I'm going to work in the dark, I don't really care if it's dark for 30 minutes or an hour and a half. But having 15 minutes of daylight after work or an hour and 15 minutes of daylight after work makes a big difference.

But also, at times in Mississippi t's basically daylight from 6:30am to 5:15ish pm. You've got an hour daylight while the average person is getting ready for work and no daylight when the average person is getting home. It makes perfect sense that people would want to change that.
If I were king I’d start the work day at 9 or 10 and end it at 3 or 4. I’m betting we’d see a minimal drop in productivity and see a big improvement in quality of life. We only work sunup to sundown because that’s how great granddaddy set it up.
 

patdog

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Agreed.


One thing that often gets overlooked in the permanent DST debate is that the clock isn’t the only thing we can change.

Countries like Finland often start school later, especially for older students, because adolescent circadian rhythms naturally shift later. Instead of asking teenagers to function at 7:30 AM, they adjust schedules to better match human biology.

Finland’s has a world-class education system that shows later school day starts and shorter school days overall can coexist with outstanding academic achievement

If the U.S. ever adopted permanent DST, pairing it with later school start times and more flexible work schedules could preserve evening daylight while also helping students get the sleep they need.

Maybe the better question isn’t just, “What time should the clock say?” It’s, “What schedule makes the most sense for the way people actually sleep and live?”

if you’ve ever raised teenagers you know their bodies and brains operate on completely different schedules.
If you're going to change to DST year-round and then adjust school/work hours, how is that any different than just keeping it like it is now?
 

TheDawg-Pound

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Exactly. And really don't mind it getting dark at 5PM either. It's winter. Generally bleak and dreary anyway.

Good lord. Even 8:00-8:30 sunrise here would suck. People who say they want this haven't really thought it through. I see why we changed back after 1 year back in the 70s.
I believe Arkansas tried it as well and it didn't last long
 
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thatsbaseball

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I think there's survey data from the time showing it really wasn't any less popular, it was just that people that didn't like the change were the loudest. Kind of questioning my memory, because I'm not sure how much surveying was done back then, but I believe I read something like that.

Regardless, there's zero chance that any change isn't going to take a year to adjust to.
The only survey I have to go on is being there and experiencing it and it really sucked . Especially for school children and their parents .
 

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Exactly. And really don't mind it getting dark at 5PM either. It's winter. Generally bleak and dreary anyway.

Good lord. Even 8:00-8:30 sunrise here would suck. People who say they want this haven't really thought it through. I see why we changed back after 1 year back in the 70s.
"Good lord. Even 8:00-8:30 sunrise here would suck. People who say they want this haven't really thought it through."

I LIVED through it and YES it really did suck .
 
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"Daylight savings" time really isn't saving any daylight. It just shifts the part of the day we see the daylight. Yes, it stays daylight longer into the evening, but it also takes longer for the sun to rise in the morning. I really don't want to go to work at 8am in darkness and I sure wouldn't want kids standing at the bus stop in total darkness at 7am. If we're going to keep a set time, it should be standard time. But I don't see what's wrong with the way it is now.
 

dickiedawg

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Surprised they’re not renaming it Daylight ‘Justment Time and making it permanent.**

Seriously, I understand the logic of leaving it up to the states because it is so location dependent.
Logistically, it’s a CF-in-waiting.
 
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This was tried by Jimmy Carter in the 1970s. It was going to be a temporary two year deal during the energy crisis. It was hated so much that Congress ended it after one year. I remember getting to school in the morning while it was still dark, and I lived next door.
 

Darryl Steight

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If I were king I’d start the work day at 9 or 10 and end it at 3 or 4. I’m betting we’d see a minimal drop in productivity and see a big improvement in quality of life. We only work sunup to sundown because that’s how great granddaddy set it up.
Oh yeah, and if I only worked those hours then exactly how and when would I have all this time to read Six Packs Peak???**
 

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I don't understand why the time change is such an issue. I get different parts of the U.S., the sun sets at different times. But it seems here in Mississippi, it is perfectly arranged.

We have adjusted on the calendar, when we fall back and spring forward. So that it's perfect for where the earth is on its orbit and we maximize efficient use of day light.

I don't get it being an issue. It's not that hard to change a clock.
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Dawgzilla2

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I dont understand why it would be a ClusterFuck.

As it stands, states can change their time(with DOT or Congressional approval) and states can choose to not participating in Daylight Saving(with no Federal approval). Then lastly, states can observe year-round Daylight Saving(with DOT or Congressional approval law change).

So if Congress soon says states can choose to do what they want...that will kinda sorta just be not much different from how it is now.
- States can already choose to not participate in Daylight Saving.
- States already have areas split to work best with larger metros. NW Indiana is Central time because of Chicago Metro and Evansville area is Central time because of Tri-State economics(IL and Western KY are Central). North Idaho is Pacific time due to Spokane. El Paso TX is Mountain time to align with New Mexico and Juarez MX economics.
- Most of Arizona doesnt observe Daylight Saving.


If a few more states adjust things as a result of this law...ok then.
Maybe I am missing something big here? Not sure why it would be a total mess.

To be clear- I am not advocating for perma-DST and not advocating to eliminate DST. I just dont see how state choice would result in total chaos. It would just be more of what we already have.
Well, here is the weird part about our current federal law: States can currently choose to not participate in DST, but they can NOT choose full time DST.

States can be on standard time full time, or they can change their clocks in time with everyone else, but they cannot be on daylight time year round.

Sounds like the proposal is to open up the third option. I think I prefer nation wide DST, while giving States on the border of a time zone the option of switching time zones. So, AZ would switch from Mountain Standard Time to Pacific Daylight Time, and the net effect would be no change to their clocks.

I only know all this because Georgia has a pending bill to switch to Atlantic time and opt out of DST. The net effect would be the same as year round Eastern Daylight time. The bill is on hold, waiting for Congress to act.

I still say, let's just move our clocks forward a half hour and be done with it.
 
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Dawgzilla2

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This was tried by Jimmy Carter in the 1970s. It was going to be a temporary two year deal during the energy crisis. It was hated so much that Congress ended it after one year. I remember getting to school in the morning while it was still dark, and I lived next door.

It was 1974. So it was Nixon When we went on DST in '74 it was supposed to just stay that way.

I only remember because I started 5th grade that year and I had to ride a bus to a new school. My bus came like 90 minutes before school started, so I was waiting in the dark just about every day. Switching to Standard time would not have saved me. I couldn't figure out all the complaints about kids going to school in the dark, since that was just normal for me.
 

greenbean.sixpack

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DST all year would work well in the 'Sip, not sure about other states.

More sunlight in Winter afternoons, sign me up. I'm at work prior to the sun rising in the winter, so another hour of darkness there would be fine.
 

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After they moved the time change two weeks to the good several years ago I like it where it is. A couple of decades ago it was about 50/50 and that was terrible. Now I like it.

As a massive bow hunter and turkey hunter I can’t imagine not shooting a deer until almost 6:30 pm and having to find and clean it and not getting to my supper and whiskey until almost 9 pm.

I like it getting dark at 5:20 in the dead of winter and being done early still.

I’m dying to climb a tree I case you couldn’t tell.
 

Perd Hapley

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I have seen this sort of map make its way around from time to time and since I am a map nerd, you all get to see it too.
It shows the latest time in the morning that the sun would rise, if DST were made permanent.

I would hate to live in Western North Dakota on a good day, but having the sun rise at 10am would make it awful.
The sun rising at 930 in Detroit MI, Indianapolis IN, Toledo, IN, and Boise ID would be wild for the 8MM people that live in those metros. That could create huge change in economies, schooling, etc.



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Good info. I live in NE Alabama which is apparently the latest sunrise possible by this map, and I still couldn’t be more excited about permanent DST. It personally just doesn’t matter to me what time the sun comes up. The thing few people mention is that this latest sunrise time would be on like December 21st or something, when everyone is mostly off work or school due to the holidays or holiday travel anyways. It would be earlier in like early December and early / mid January when folks are on either side of the solstice.

I get the argument about kids having to get on a school bus when it’s dark, etc., but in a lot of metro areas that is already the case now just due to the size of the schools and the lengths of the bus routes. It always annoys me when people are against change because “then XYZ would be a problem”, when XYZ is already a problem.
 

patdog

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Good info. I live in NE Alabama which is apparently the latest sunrise possible by this map, and I still couldn’t be more excited about permanent DST. It personally just doesn’t matter to me what time the sun comes up. The thing few people mention is that this latest sunrise time would be on like December 21st or something, when everyone is mostly off work or school due to the holidays or holiday travel anyways. It would be earlier in like early December and early / mid January when folks are on either side of the solstice.

I get the argument about kids having to get on a school bus when it’s dark, etc., but in a lot of metro areas that is already the case now just due to the size of the schools and the lengths of the bus routes. It always annoys me when people are against change because “then XYZ would be a problem”, when XYZ is already a problem.
Uh, NE Alabama is the earliest possible sunrise by that map. So no wonder it's not a big deal to you.
 
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vhdawg

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Arizona is kind of crazy. The State ignores Daylight Saving Time, it stays on Mountain Standard time year-round, but the Navaho Nations does recognize it. Part of the year they have two different times. I think the act that is being debated will keep us on Daylight Savings Time.
Arizona: WE HAVE ALL THE SUN WE NEED ALREADY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
 
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HotMop

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Where I'm at in Northern Colorado the total daylight time is crazy.

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Without daylight savings time the sun would be rising at 4:41 am, HOLY ****.


Plug in a location and you can see why some areas of the country would prefer Standard Time over Daylight Savings Time.
 
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So why not add time zones. Make the time zones over the two major oceans much wider.

6 time zones for the contiguous US. Let Canada and Mexico do their own thing.
 
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If I were king I’d start the work day at 9 or 10 and end it at 3 or 4. I’m betting we’d see a minimal drop in productivity and see a big improvement in quality of life. We only work sunup to sundown because that’s how great granddaddy set it up.
Well, great grandaddy kinda had to, or starve. But I get your point.
 

Perd Hapley

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Uh, NE Alabama is the earliest possible sunrise by that map. So no wonder it's not a big deal to you.
It’s already the earliest possible sunrise now, when DST goes away and shifts back to standard in the winter time.

If DST is kept year round, the later sunrise time in the winter has often been cited as a negative. I don’t get it.
 

mcdawg22

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So why not add time zones. Make the time zones over the two major oceans much wider.

6 time zones for the contiguous US. Let Canada and Mexico do their own thing.
China has one time zone. There is a 2 1/2 hour gap between some cities. In the summer sunrise can be as early as 4:30 and in the winter as late as 10:00 depending on where you live.