OT: College enrollment and financial issues?

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Question on that last point- if you went to a large, diverse high school in NJ, is going to a school out of state, that albeit may be less diverse, give one a different and therefore diverse experience?

"My high school had too many kinds of people, I want fewer perspectives" is definitely a new one but sadly is probably not far from the truth. I actually think my HS had some people like that, and by NJ standards, and by that era, it was somewhat diverse but not very. But it'd be extremely diverse to most of the country.

I really struggle with the idea that NJ (or SoCal) has simply too much culture so I want to go to an area with a monoculture. I mean there's terms for that...and none of them are very nice or positive...
 

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As for RU vs. Tenn in those rankings:
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Hope you do better in court arguing on behalf of your clients than you do here. Your USCe is a non-sequitur and irrelevant to what I posted. I move to strike as irrelevant.

IIRC, you have no kids. And you are going to accuse parents of children who have had many discussions with other parents of children of "pretending?"

Newsflash- yes, lots of kids know what they want to major in when going to college. 100% of our kids and their friends also knew that before attending college. And they stuck with those majors and graduated. Or maybe they pretended to do that. 😂

YOU mentioned USCe and put in the record, counsel.

I am going to accuse people of whether they have 100 children or 0 of wanting to please children they care about, and there is nothing wrong with that, but then when you're spoiling them by paying for a lesser education, don't expect people not to blanche at that. And then also to be defensive about those decisions. Do I think most parents lie or exaggerate about them? Yes. Absolutely. Especially on an anonymous message board.

According to AI...half of students start off undeclared...
 

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"My high school had too many kinds of people, I want fewer perspectives" is definitely a new one but sadly is probably not far from the truth. I actually think my HS had some people like that, and by NJ standards, and by that era, it was somewhat diverse but not very. But it'd be extremely diverse to most of the country.

I really struggle with the idea that NJ (or SoCal) has simply too much culture so I want to go to an area with a monoculture. I mean there's terms for that...and none of them are very nice or positive...
Again I don’t know why it’s sad for people for NJ or SoCal to be exposed to the South, Midwest, Texas, etc. Given that my daughter grew up in NJ and now lives in SoCal, I’d actually like her to end up in the Midwest, Pacific Northwest or even Austin. It would expose her another, different, part of the world.
 

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YOU mentioned USCe and put in the record, counsel.

I am going to accuse people of whether they have 100 children or 0 of wanting to please children they care about, and there is nothing wrong with that, but then when you're spoiling them by paying for a lesser education, don't expect people not to blanche at that. And then also to be defensive about those decisions. Do I think most parents lie or exaggerate about them? Yes. Absolutely. Especially on an anonymous message board.

According to AI...half of students start off undeclared...
Ahem, it was you who said: "What % of students start college knowing their major? Without even looking it's safe to say to it's nowhere close to half."

I mentioned MY NEIGHBOR's kids went to USCe, and they chose it because it was cheaper than what in state would have cost. I'm guessing they did not have a lot of money to spend for college, and they chose a reasonable option at a more reasonable cost.

"Lesser education?" Costing less is a lesser costing education, and the kids who graduated USCe got jobs and are doing well in life. Newsflash, success depends a lot less on the school one goes to and a lot more on the traits of the student, the parents, etc.
 

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Again I don’t know why it’s sad for people for NJ or SoCal to be exposed to the South, Midwest, Texas, etc. Given that my daughter grew up in NJ and now lives in SoCal, I’d actually like her to end up in the Midwest, Pacific Northwest or even Austin. It would expose her another, different, part of the world.

Idk where you live in SoCal but assuming it's not 10 minutes from campus it's going to be a different exposure. SD, OC, the Bay, even within areas of LA are all quite different. Much like I grew up 20 miles from RU but it was a universe of difference. And in fact, if I did go to Cult, UDel or UMD as guidance counselors and the Shop Rite line urged...that would have been much more similar to my hometown. A UC school is going to expose kds from Compton to kids from Beverly Hills and vice versa, and not every state has that kind of disparity.

I do know what town Shift is from...and the demographics are closer to USCe than RU...substantially so...

I also do have to wonder why this stuff never comes in the many travel threads on this board...I would love to hear of these parents yearning for exposure to Missouri jump into say the Europe travel threads...I would much rather send my kid to Europe than South Carolina.

And to that end, RU throws you in the deep end...while it was "close"...all the cultures I learned and having experiences like taking the bus helped me when I had to ask for directions in Spanish on the Seoul subway. Is that happening at Tampa? I kinda doubt it.
 

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Ahem, it was you who said: "What % of students start college knowing their major? Without even looking it's safe to say to it's nowhere close to half."

I mentioned MY NEIGHBOR's kids went to USCe, and they chose it because it was cheaper than what in state would have cost. I'm guessing they did not have a lot of money to spend for college, and they chose a reasonable option at a more reasonable cost.

"Lesser education?" Costing less is a lesser costing education, and the kids who graduated USCe got jobs and are doing well in life. Newsflash, success depends a lot less on the school one goes to and a lot more on the traits of the student, the parents, etc.

Yes. So half know. I guess all these NJ kids are in that half?

Of course there are many factors. When I was in HS I got letters for free rides from Monmouth, Rider, etc. Would going there be smarter than having gone to RU? Same thing for law school- I am sure you got free ride letters from schools like Widener. Would that have been the right choice? And yeah, there are people who go to no name schools that are massive successes, or drop out like Bill Gates or Zuckerberg, or that go to Harvard and are homeless, etc. We're talking odds. And if the idea is culture, odds are better at RU too.

Sports and beautiful buildings, RU lags. Unless you're an athlete though I kind of have to laugh, especially when this board would absolutely rip NJ kids for not coming here and does every day.
 

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Idk where you live in SoCal but assuming it's not 10 minutes from campus it's going to be a different exposure. SD, OC, the Bay, even within areas of LA are all quite different. Much like I grew up 20 miles from RU but it was a universe of difference. And in fact, if I did go to Cult, UDel or UMD as guidance counselors and the Shop Rite line urged...that would have been much more similar to my hometown. A UC school is going to expose kds from Compton to kids from Beverly Hills and vice versa, and not every state has that kind of disparity.

I do know what town Shift is from...and the demographics are closer to USCe than RU...substantially so...

I also do have to wonder why this stuff never comes in the many travel threads on this board...I would love to hear of these parents yearning for exposure to Missouri jump into say the Europe travel threads...I would much rather send my kid to Europe than South Carolina.

And to that end, RU throws you in the deep end...while it was "close"...all the cultures I learned and having experiences like taking the bus helped me when I had to ask for directions in Spanish on the Seoul subway. Is that happening at Tampa? I kinda doubt it.
15 miles from campus, so understandably close for UCSD. Berkeley, ucla, Santa Barbara, Davis all still very much on the table if she gets in.

Going in circles so we can agree to disagree on the merits of going to a similar school in a new state.

Where I think Rutgers lacks is getting kids from this cohort in nearby states to come to Rutgers. The connection to NY/Philadelphia, endless jobs in finance/healthcare/etc, world class hospitals, the shore, proximity to everything should outshine the awful sports and lackluster campus.
 
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15 miles from campus, so understandably close for UCSD. Berkeley, ucla, Santa Barbara, Davis all still very much on the table if she gets in.

Going in circles so we can agree to disagree on the merits of going to a similar school in a new state.

Where I think Rutgers lacks is getting kids from this cohort in nearby states to come to Rutgers. The connection to NY/Philadelphia, endless jobs in finance/healthcare/etc, world class hospitals, the shore, proximity to everything should outshine the awful sports and lackluster campus.
The good of RU (close proximity to NYC/Philly, hell even Boston and DC, top jobs/internships in business/STEM, etc.) severely outweighs the bad (non winning sports, ugly campus, bad infrastructure in NB with the bus system). Frankly if the sports teams were merely average to above average, they would probably bring in their fair share. I honestly think they should target high achieving Long Island and New England kids and offer the same in state tuition as NJ kids in state. The only school on LI even remotely close academically to RU-NB is Stony Brook so I 100% think they have the same brain drain effect as NJ does, ditto for kids in New England states as after UMass and UConn, the publics up there just flat out stink academically. It truly comes down to marketing as the school IMO does a terrible job of self promotion.
 
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The good of RU (close proximity to NYC/Philly, hell even Boston and DC, top jobs/internships in business/STEM, etc.) severely outweighs the bad (non winning sports, ugly campus, bad infrastructure in NB with the bus system). Frankly if the sports teams were merely average to above average, they would probably bring in their fair share. I honestly think they should target high achieving Long Island and New England kids and offer the same in state tuition as NJ kids in state. The only school on LI even remotely close academically to RU-NB is Stony Brook so I 100% think they have the same brain drain effect as NJ does, ditto for kids in New England states as after UMass and UConn, the publics up there just flat out stink academically. It truly comes down to marketing as the school IMO does a terrible job of self promotion.
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Again I don’t know why it’s sad for people for NJ or SoCal to be exposed to the South, Midwest, Texas, etc. Given that my daughter grew up in NJ and now lives in SoCal, I’d actually like her to end up in the Midwest, Pacific Northwest or even Austin. It would expose her another, different, part of the world.
Not Austin…that’s not a different part of the world it is a hotter, drier version of SF or NY…no natives who play cowboy and eat more bbq. If you want her to experience true Texas, you go to Fort Worth. That’s real Texas. Austin is like leaving the state. Nasty town
 

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The good of RU (close proximity to NYC/Philly, hell even Boston and DC, top jobs/internships in business/STEM, etc.) severely outweighs the bad (non winning sports, ugly campus, bad infrastructure in NB with the bus system). Frankly if the sports teams were merely average to above average, they would probably bring in their fair share. I honestly think they should target high achieving Long Island and New England kids and offer the same in state tuition as NJ kids in state. The only school on LI even remotely close academically to RU-NB is Stony Brook so I 100% think they have the same brain drain effect as NJ does, ditto for kids in New England states as after UMass and UConn, the publics up there just flat out stink academically. It truly comes down to marketing as the school IMO does a terrible job of self promotion.


Wouldn't a big shiny new field house take care of that problem? ;)
 

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It's the bubble complex. I own a couple of apartments in the village that one of my kids live in and he and his wife would never come back to the Nassau County bubble. My other kids live in Northern Bergen County and they talk about the bubble all the time. Protected classes ,many all thinking alike, unfortunately that's not what the real world is about.Many perpetuate it by sending their kids to certain schools with certain demographics -- until reality sets in,like when corporate America down sizes. I'm lucky I don't need to escape down south even though it makes sense$ wise.
All fair points
We're moving south due to the things we prefer (warmer weather, lower taxes, no tax on SS/pension/state tax, to be near FSU, more laid back lifestyle, etc.) - in a perfect world, we'd have 2 places (one in FL, one in New England for June-August), as there's tradeoffs no matter where you live.
 
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Does the pay freeze extend to Dan Lanning?

Oregon's problem is 23% of students come from California, and California students aren't applying to Oregon like they had in the past.

Makes sense, 10 UC campuses are higher than UofO in the rankings. Why pay out of state tuition to attend UofO when 10 in state schools are as good or better academically.

Fortunately, Rutgers does not rely on out of state students like many other flagships, so the Oregon situation (happening at Arizona too) will not occur at Rutgers or at the UC schools or Texas.
 

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15 miles from campus, so understandably close for UCSD. Berkeley, ucla, Santa Barbara, Davis all still very much on the table if she gets in.

Going in circles so we can agree to disagree on the merits of going to a similar school in a new state.

Where I think Rutgers lacks is getting kids from this cohort in nearby states to come to Rutgers. The connection to NY/Philadelphia, endless jobs in finance/healthcare/etc, world class hospitals, the shore, proximity to everything should outshine the awful sports and lackluster campus.

1. We don't advertise to them the same way say Cult or UConn does

2. We have rules limiting OOS students, though I think there's been eating at edge of them over the years

While some NJ parents are mad about diversity, there's a lot of NYC/LI/Westchester parents who want the diversity, same for Philly suburbs especially versus their in state options
 

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The good of RU (close proximity to NYC/Philly, hell even Boston and DC, top jobs/internships in business/STEM, etc.) severely outweighs the bad (non winning sports, ugly campus, bad infrastructure in NB with the bus system). Frankly if the sports teams were merely average to above average, they would probably bring in their fair share. I honestly think they should target high achieving Long Island and New England kids and offer the same in state tuition as NJ kids in state. The only school on LI even remotely close academically to RU-NB is Stony Brook so I 100% think they have the same brain drain effect as NJ does, ditto for kids in New England states as after UMass and UConn, the publics up there just flat out stink academically. It truly comes down to marketing as the school IMO does a terrible job of self promotion.

When I was applying I couldn't understand wanting to go to college in the middle of nowhere. Some of the Southern schools are like that but to be fair some are in metro areas. In my day it was more Cult that had that. Now they're ranked behind us.

I also think we have plenty of nice buildings, and while the bus was annoying, I think it builds character and a relationship with PT the average person should have. It's kind of funny to me when I meet people and they can't figure out trains and buses. I'm in a city for a day, I have it down lol. That started at RU, and I built on it living in NYC for grad school and now living in JC. What worries me is that a lot of new generation, seems like they like living at home so maybe they don't care.
 

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Does the pay freeze extend to Dan Lanning?

Oregon's problem is 23% of students come from California, and California students aren't applying to Oregon like they had in the past.

Makes sense, 10 UC campuses are higher than UofO in the rankings. Why pay out of state tuition to attend UofO when 10 in state schools are as good or better academically.

Fortunately, Rutgers does not rely on out of state students like many other flagships, so the Oregon situation (happening at Arizona too) will not occur at Rutgers or at the UC schools or Texas.

I think there's a lil Shop Riting there (maybe Ralph's lol) where the kids probably aren't getting into the UC schools, but still want more of a college experience.

Not sure if it's like NJ where the parents can't admit their kids didn't get into RU. I can't really argue with going to UCF over Montclair so I won't argue with going to Oregon over SDSU either.

I get ASU is the butt of a lot of jokes (maybe deservedly so undergrad wise) but I certainly understand 4 years in Tempe versus Montclair or a low ranked CA state school too. At least when my sister applied it wasn't much more than a NJ state school, not sure about now. And she didn't even get into the low ranked NJ state schools, lol. You won't hear about that in the Shop Rite line.
 

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I think there's a lil Shop Riting there (maybe Ralph's lol) where the kids probably aren't getting into the UC schools, but still want more of a college experience.

Not sure if it's like NJ where the parents can't admit their kids didn't get into RU. I can't really argue with going to UCF over Montclair so I won't argue with going to Oregon over SDSU either.

I get ASU is the butt of a lot of jokes (maybe deservedly so undergrad wise) but I certainly understand 4 years in Tempe versus Montclair or a low ranked CA state school too. At least when my sister applied it wasn't much more than a NJ state school, not sure about now. And she didn't even get into the low ranked NJ state schools, lol. You won't hear about that in the Shop Rite line.
Oregon and the AZ schools have long been safety schools for California kids who didn't get into any of the UC schools or Stanford/USC. I'd be willing to bet all 3 schools had more students from CA than their home states lol.
 
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Oregon and the AZ schools have long been safety schools for California kids who didn't get into any of the UC schools or Stanford/USC. I'd be willing to bet all 3 schools had more students from CA than their home states lol.
Unofficial yard sign count shows Arizona still strong, a handful for lower tier UC schools have popped up which I haven’t seen before (for sports I believe) and more Utah this year than Oregon.
 
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Oregon and the AZ schools have long been safety schools for California kids who didn't get into any of the UC schools or Stanford/USC. I'd be willing to bet all 3 schools had more students from CA than their home states lol.


Oregon breaks it down by state. Waaay to reliant on California. When the California $$ disappears, Oregon cannot fill the hole. Lowering the admissions bar for in state students would not replace the California tuition dollars, and when the admissions bar is lowered, more students flunk out and the university gets one year of tuition, not four.

Arizona doesn't give a breakdown by state but by reading between the lines it is clear Arizona admitted far too many California kids with inflated high school GPAs and didn't get the money they expected because so many flunked out.

The information I've seen shows Rutgers gets a low single digit percentage of its students from New York. So unlike Oregon and Arizona which relied for years on California families to prop up their universities, Rutgers has not hitched its future to its bigger neighboring state.

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Unofficial yard sign count shows Arizona still strong, a handful for lower tier UC schools have popped up which I haven’t seen before (for sports I believe) and more Utah this year than Oregon.
SLC is lowkey a pretty cool city so not surprised to hear Utah is growing with the CA students OOS as a safety school. Academically pretty solid as well, at least on par with Oregon/ASU/UA.
 

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Is it legal to drink beer on campus?
No clue about on campus but I know the craft breweries in SLC are pretty solid with Epic Brewing in particular. The draft rules in Utah are a bit strange being that they can only sell beer up to 5.0% ABV on draft but can exceed that with bottles, cans, etc. I know BYU being a Mormon bastion has no alcohol of any kind on campus.
 

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SLC is lowkey a pretty cool city so not surprised to hear Utah is growing with the CA students OOS as a safety school. Academically pretty solid as well, at least on par with Oregon/ASU/UA.
Had my daughter send me the list of where the senior class is going this year. She said it’s not exhaustive as she can think of people/places not listed but it’s a pretty good snapshot.

Oregon and Arizona are getting eaten by Utah, Colorado/Colorado Stare and Boise.

Have to do some more digging on Missouri for @NotInRHouse. I only know the one girl going. I suspect this isn’t three girls individually choosing to go there, but rather a group pact of some sort.


University of California
Santa Barbara-13
Berkley-12
UCLA- 11
San Diego- 6
Santa Cruz-5
Riverside-5
Davis- 5
Irvine- 3

In-State
San Diego State-22
Cal States (Various)-16
Cal Poly- 7
USD-5
USC-2

Out Of State
Utah-9
Colorado-7
Boise State-5
Colorado State-4
Missouri-3
TCU-3
Michigan State-2
Oregon State-2
Alabama-2
BYU-2
Navy-2
Hawaii-2
Miami-1
Indiana-1
St. Louis-1
Washington-1
Washington State-1
Texas-1
Tennessee-1
West Virginia-1
Rhode Island-1
Oregon-1
Oregon State-1
Penn-1
Boston U-1
NYU-1
Pepperdine-1
Kean-1
Arizona-1
 

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SLC is lowkey a pretty cool city so not surprised to hear Utah is growing with the CA students OOS as a safety school. Academically pretty solid as well, at least on par with Oregon/ASU/UA.
SLC is a very fun city when done right lol

don't let the Mormon thing fool anyone, it's pretty good
 
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Oregon and the AZ schools have long been safety schools for California kids who didn't get into any of the UC schools or Stanford/USC. I'd be willing to bet all 3 schools had more students from CA than their home states lol.
ASU looks awful. College Ave is a much better vibe. LOL. Why would anyone want to go there?

 
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Had my daughter send me the list of where the senior class is going this year. She said it’s not exhaustive as she can think of people/places not listed but it’s a pretty good snapshot.

Oregon and Arizona are getting eaten by Utah, Colorado/Colorado Stare and Boise.

Have to do some more digging on Missouri for @NotInRHouse. I only know the one girl going. I suspect this isn’t three girls individually choosing to go there, but rather a group pact of some sort.


University of California
Santa Barbara-13
Berkley-12
UCLA- 11
San Diego- 6
Santa Cruz-5
Riverside-5
Davis- 5
Irvine- 3

In-State
San Diego State-22
Cal States (Various)-16
Cal Poly- 7
USD-5
USC-2

Out Of State
Utah-9
Colorado-7
Boise State-5
Colorado State-4
Missouri-3
TCU-3
Michigan State-2
Oregon State-2
Alabama-2
BYU-2
Navy-2
Hawaii-2
Miami-1
Indiana-1
St. Louis-1
Washington-1
Washington State-1
Texas-1
Tennessee-1
West Virginia-1
Rhode Island-1
Oregon-1
Oregon State-1
Penn-1
Boston U-1
NYU-1
Pepperdine-1
Kean-1
Arizona-1

The Kean is funny but otherwise looks like the big draws are safety schools to the UCs.
 
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Things not looking good at Temple.
Have lost count of how many schools facing similar situations. Seems the bloat grew during the pandemic with the addition of many deans and administrators with fancy titles and high salaries, but what exactly are they doing to contribute to the educational experience?

From the linked article, many students are not retained, probably realizing getting a useless degree is a waste of money, and they are better served going directly into the workforce or learning a trade.

Drexel University lost about 20% of its enrollment in a little over a decade. The Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education, which oversees the 10 state universities, had a 30% enrollment decline since 2010-11, though it recorded an increase this year.

Forty-one programs enroll more than 75% of students who get degrees, the NACUBO study found. Meanwhile, 120 programs serve about 10%. Thirty-four programs had no students graduating.

Also, health insurance costs are crushing. In our small business, we were hit with a 30% increase in rates last year, and we are now up for another 26% for the coming year.
 

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Have lost count of how many schools facing similar situations. Seems the bloat grew during the pandemic with the addition of many deans and administrators with fancy titles and high salaries, but what exactly are they doing to contribute to the educational experience?

From the linked article, many students are not retained, probably realizing getting a useless degree is a waste of money, and they are better served going directly into the workforce or learning a trade.

Drexel University lost about 20% of its enrollment in a little over a decade. The Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education, which oversees the 10 state universities, had a 30% enrollment decline since 2010-11, though it recorded an increase this year.

Forty-one programs enroll more than 75% of students who get degrees, the NACUBO study found. Meanwhile, 120 programs serve about 10%. Thirty-four programs had no students graduating.

Also, health insurance costs are crushing. In our small business, we were hit with a 30% increase in rates last year, and we are now up for another 26% for the coming year.
The Rutgers Board of Governors tasked Tate with three fix-it priorities: Camden enrollment decline, Rutgers athletics deficit, and broader spending discipline.

The Rutgers Camden way is the One Tuition Grant, allowing out of state students to pay in state tuition at Rutgers Camden. Rutgers president targets Philadelphia students - Tate is blatantly targeting potential Temple students to enroll in Rutgers Camden instead.
 
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Have lost count of how many schools facing similar situations. Seems the bloat grew during the pandemic with the addition of many deans and administrators with fancy titles and high salaries, but what exactly are they doing to contribute to the educational experience?

From the linked article, many students are not retained, probably realizing getting a useless degree is a waste of money, and they are better served going directly into the workforce or learning a trade.

Drexel University lost about 20% of its enrollment in a little over a decade. The Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education, which oversees the 10 state universities, had a 30% enrollment decline since 2010-11, though it recorded an increase this year.

Forty-one programs enroll more than 75% of students who get degrees, the NACUBO study found. Meanwhile, 120 programs serve about 10%. Thirty-four programs had no students graduating.

Also, health insurance costs are crushing. In our small business, we were hit with a 30% increase in rates last year, and we are now up for another 26% for the coming year.
was there a break down on that 75% vs 10% as I'd be curious to see if what I think is actually what is happening?
 

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Things not looking good at Temple.
Temple in an extremely dangerous part of North Philly with okay academics at best. Not gonna say they are in trouble but they'll struggle a bit. Wonder how St. Joe's and La Salle are doing.
 

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The Rutgers Board of Governors tasked Tate with three fix-it priorities: Camden enrollment decline, Rutgers athletics deficit, and broader spending discipline.

The Rutgers Camden way is the One Tuition Grant, allowing out of state students to pay in state tuition at Rutgers Camden. Rutgers president targets Philadelphia students - Tate is blatantly targeting potential Temple students to enroll in Rutgers Camden instead.
we should cut Rutgers Camden loose and let them be something else
 
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Have lost count of how many schools facing similar situations. Seems the bloat grew during the pandemic with the addition of many deans and administrators with fancy titles and high salaries, but what exactly are they doing to contribute to the educational experience?

From the linked article, many students are not retained, probably realizing getting a useless degree is a waste of money, and they are better served going directly into the workforce or learning a trade.

Drexel University lost about 20% of its enrollment in a little over a decade. The Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education, which oversees the 10 state universities, had a 30% enrollment decline since 2010-11, though it recorded an increase this year.

Forty-one programs enroll more than 75% of students who get degrees, the NACUBO study found. Meanwhile, 120 programs serve about 10%. Thirty-four programs had no students graduating.

Also, health insurance costs are crushing. In our small business, we were hit with a 30% increase in rates last year, and we are now up for another 26% for the coming year.

Fair point about the pandemic effect, but these schools were never models of efficiency to begin with.
 
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