***CC22 and the Fever mega thread***

Kceasthawk@77

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She was hurt all of last season. I have no idea why you think I’m dancing around the question. If she had stayed healthy with Howard at Power forward they were a legitimate contender to win the whole thing. Again, she’s averaging 39 pts between pts and assists so they’re not taking away opportunities from her. Schemes? They are one of if not the fastest paced teams in the league. Does that not suit her style? You guys act like teams are just going to let her do whatever she wants. The other team is going to do everything they can to take her away and also force her to play D.
So your statement is that 1) they made solid decisions in the off season, (again) to put more complimentary pieces around her, 2) putting her "off the ball" and having Boston and Hines-Allen bring the ball up court is a good decision, and plays to her strengths? Okay then'

As to the other statement, about her averaging being responsible for 39 points /GM (so around 35-40% of their offense), you do realize she had a bunch of games at Iowa (even playing with a 20+ points/GM AA in Monica) where she was responsible for in the 70's percentile, including several games in the NCAA tournament against some of the elite teams in college basketball. Even against S Carolina her rate was in the 70+% of offense generated. And no I don't think in an average game she's playing against better players then she did in those final 4 games the last two seasons. Sorry, but while there are certainly some really good players, (as there were at S Carolina, LSU, OSU etc..) there are a lot of really average players in the league as well.
 
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"Respectfully"

Meme Lol GIF by ALL SEEING EYES
 
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You are in a very small minority if you think there’s not an anti-Clark bias in the WNBA. The facts don’t support your position in any way.
I guess it depends what you're talking about.

Yeah, I think there are a lot of offended/motivated/jealous players she's competing against.

But I'm not sure how much more than that can be made of it. And certainly, we are hearing it made into much more
 

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So your statement is that 1) they made solid decisions in the off season, (again) to put more complimentary pieces around her, 2) putting her "off the ball" and having Boston and Hines-Allen bring the ball up court is a good decision, and plays to her strengths? Okay then'

As to the other statement, about her averaging being responsible for 39 points /GM (so around 35-40% of their offense), you do realize she had a bunch of games at Iowa (even playing with a 20+ points/GM AA in Monica) where she was responsible for in the 70's percentile, including several games in the NCAA tournament against some of the elite teams in college basketball. Even against S Carolina her rate was in the 70+% of offense generated. And no I don't think in an average game she's playing against better players then she did in those final 4 games the last two seasons. Sorry, but while there are certainly some really good players, (as there were at S Carolina, LSU, OSU etc..) there are a lot of really average players in the league as well.

So you don't think they should do what is best for the team, but rather they should do what you want to watch. Got it.

Having others bring the ball up at times is good coaching....it changes the looks the defense has to prepare for, it gives CC some rest w/ out having to take her off the floor and it saves the wear and tear on her when she is being guarded as physically as she typically is.

To think the level of competition in the F4 is anywhere close to what she faces in the W on a nightly basis is asinine. The players are better, stronger, more knowledgeable, and are playing for their livelihood.

I am glad you finally admitted this is all about your desire for the Fever to allow Clark to just run around doing what she wants and not being held accountable to the team in any way.
 

Kceasthawk@77

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So you don't think they should do what is best for the team, but rather they should do what you want to watch. Got it.

Having others bring the ball up at times is good coaching....it changes the looks the defense has to prepare for, it gives CC some rest w/ out having to take her off the floor and it saves the wear and tear on her when she is being guarded as physically as she typically is.

To think the level of competition in the F4 is anywhere close to what she faces in the W on a nightly basis is asinine. The players are better, stronger, more knowledgeable, and are playing for their livelihood.

I am glad you finally admitted this is all about your desire for the Fever to allow Clark to just run around doing what she wants and not being held accountable to the team in any way.
So you don't think they should do what is best for the team, but rather they should do what you want to watch. Got it.

Having others bring the ball up at times is good coaching....it changes the looks the defense has to prepare for, it gives CC some rest w/ out having to take her off the floor and it saves the wear and tear on her when she is being guarded as physically as she typically is.

To think the level of competition in the F4 is anywhere close to what she faces in the W on a nightly basis is asinine. The players are better, stronger, more knowledgeable, and are playing for their livelihood.

I am glad you finally admitted this is all about your desire for the Fever to allow Clark to just run around doing what she wants and not being held accountable to the team in any way.
Super. and I'm glad your finally admitting that it makes sense that they had no responsibility to try to make use of her skills and build a roster around her which would maximize her talent. I'm sure your right though, because no championship team has ever done that. The only thing I want for Clark is that she gets a fair shot to play using her skills and not be hindered by poor roster construction, a league that can't get out of their own way, and refs who are either not up to the task or have some type of agenda. If you can't admit to many of those issues then your the one who's being asanine.
 

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Super. and I'm glad your finally admitting that it makes sense that they had no responsibility to try to make use of her skills and build a roster around her which would maximize her talent. I'm sure your right though, because no championship team has ever done that. The only thing I want for Clark is that she gets a fair shot to play using her skills and not be hindered by poor roster construction, a league that can't get out of their own way, and refs who are either not up to the task or have some type of agenda. If you can't admit to many of those issues then your the one who's being asanine.
*you’re
 

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So you don't think they should do what is best for the team, but rather they should do what you want to watch. Got it.
. . .
I am glad you finally admitted this is all about your desire for the Fever to allow Clark to just run around doing what she wants and not being held accountable to the team in any way.
No need to bring Kelsey Mitchell into this.
 

Kceasthawk@77

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*you’re
You should have learned by now I couldn't care less, but hey, if you want to be "Legends" caddy and make it YOUR purpose here to correct grammatical and spelling errors then knock yourself out wasting your time with that. The A--hats on here that think that somehow contributes to the conversation is astounding. Do be you though.....
 

Kceasthawk@77

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So you don't think they should do what is best for the team, but rather they should do what you want to watch. Got it.

Having others bring the ball up at times is good coaching....it changes the looks the defense has to prepare for, it gives CC some rest w/ out having to take her off the floor and it saves the wear and tear on her when she is being guarded as physically as she typically is.

To think the level of competition in the F4 is anywhere close to what she faces in the W on a nightly basis is asinine. The players are better, stronger, more knowledgeable, and are playing for their livelihood.

I am glad you finally admitted this is all about your desire for the Fever to allow Clark to just run around doing what she wants and not being held accountable to the team in any way.
So in your supposed higher level of wisdom maybe you can shed some light. Lets set CC aside because the basic idea really has nothing to do with her specifically. In major sports leagues, or in business do the "generational " players, stars, or "cash cows" get special treatment? Do they get perks from their employer above those they work with? Do they try to build teams around them that make the best use of their special talent? Do they not only get the benefit of the doubt, but are decisions made by their teams or businesses not tilted to ensure the best outcome for them to succeed? (Hell in many cases like Jordan, Lebron they have a major say in the decisions that are made). The same thing in corporate America. Is it your position that any of that has happened for Clark from the Fever organization, the WNBA itself. the players assoc, or the leagues refs? All of these groups (even the refs who are probably being paid better now) have benefited greatly both in exposure and financial measures, since she was drafted three years ago. True or false?
 

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Again, I'm not sure how this ends other than it won't end well for the CC/Fever/SW marriage. Best case scenario is CC returns, doesn't miss many more games, and the Fever go on a title run. That has literally no chance of happening.

Instead, the likeliest scenario is CC returns off and on, the Fever finish the year fighting to make the playoffs (not guaranteed by any means), drama continues on all fronts, and we go into the offseason in limbo where it's gonna get real ugly.
 

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Did anyone really expect differently from her?
The worst, and most insidious if not downright sinister, part is the reframing of WNBas biggest problem as “racist” fans rather than the incompetent officiating and egregiously physical brand that is dangerous to all players. Now Cathy will be forced fo address a manufactured problem rather than the real problem.
 

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And again I’m not suggesting the emergence of racist knuckleheads on Twitter isn’t a problem. Different situations will result in folks outing themselves for who they are. But I don’t believe this poses any sort of real threat compared to what’s happening on the court.
 
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