Effing schools are indoctrinating our children

Hotshoe

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A public school district is an arm of government, same as if the State of Texas required it.
That is simply not true. State public schools are just that, State. The federal government has no public schools other than Indian and military based schools.
 

gohawks50

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I believe that the separation of church and state is not as extreme as y’all. I think the constitution applies to a state sponsored Christian denomination, it was never meant to exclude Christianity from everyday life. Thats why some government meetings open with blessing, etc.
Where is Christianity excluded from daily life? If a student wants to read the Bible in a public school they can, but making parts of the Christian Bible manditory reading violates the establishment clause.
 

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Hayseed? Is that some Iowa insult? The fact is we had state religions. This country was founded by Christians. Sorry yall don’t like that.

Ooh a lawyer. How impressive. Lawyers are falling off of trees around here. How about go get a real job.
Ask him about Michael Avenatti, the left's hero who they promoted for president. Lmao. Yep, only lawyers and doctors know everything. They are never wrong or corrupt. Lmao. What an elitist pov.
 
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Where is Christianity excluded from daily life? If a student wants to read the Bible in a public school they can, but making parts of the Christian Bible manditory reading violates the establishment clause.
Maybe, maybe not.
 

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They also allowed slavery so my guess is you would prefer to go back to that?
The entire world did at that time you ignorant fool. We actually fought a war, no other nation ever did, lost over 700 thousands lives to stop slavery. Meanwhile, your party fought and ended Reconstruction, and started the KKK. Sit down you ignorant fool.
 

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You really believe local schools are not bound by the Constitution because they are neither the feds nor the state?

Wow. I don’t even know what to say to that.

So Brown v. Board of Education - the Board should have just told the Supreme Court it isn’t subject to the Constitution because the Board is part of local government?
This isn't remotely close to Brown vs the BOE.
 

Hotshoe

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Define "Christian values".
Precisely what the Magna Carta and our Constitution is based on. I guess you missed that part. Lmao.

Just how ignorant are you? Stephen Langton literally wrote the Magna Carta. It heavily influenced our Constitution. Did y'all just hate America and not attend class? Or, yeah, I get it, y'all were influenced by hateful libs who hate America. Ffs. Pick up a book.
 
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Why did you say a Muslim school board couldn't make students read the Koran then?

Also, you didn't answer my question about where you see Christianity being excluded from daily life?
Because it’s the Quaran and we are a Christian nation.

Christianity is constantly mocked and treated poorly. Liberals respect Muslim rights way more than Christian rights. Whenever someone tries to include it somebody starts a thread like this screaming, oh no!
 
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Precisely what the Magna Carta and our Constitution is based on. I guess you missed that part. Lmao.

Just how ignorant are you? Stephen Langton literally wrote the Magna Carta. It heavily influenced our Constitution. Did y'all just hate America and not attend class? Or, yeah, I get it, y'all were influenced by hateful libs who hate America. Ffs. Pick up a book.
More like the MAGA Carta!!!!

Stack. The. Court.

DEMOCRACY IS AT STAKE!
 

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Because it’s the Quaran and we are a Christian nation.

Christianity is constantly mocked and treated poorly. Liberals respect Muslim rights way more than Christian rights. Whenever someone tries to include it somebody starts a thread like this screaming, oh no!
Where in the constitution does it say the US is a Christian nation?

Christianity is constantly mocked and treated poorly.

That statement is just silly. I swear MAGA loves to claim to be victims while picking on everyone that is different than them. It's like a bunch of bullies decided to form a political group.
 
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Where in the constitution does it say the US is a Christian nation?

Christianity is constantly mocked and treated poorly.

That statement is just silly. I swear MAGA loves to claim to be victims while picking on everyone that is different than them. It's like a bunch of bullies decided to form a political group.
Iknowright?!

Anyway, shutthefuckupandcoveryourhairyoustupidcunt
 

kidmike41

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Where in the constitution does it say the US is a Christian nation?

Christianity is constantly mocked and treated poorly.

That statement is just silly. I swear MAGA loves to claim to be victims while picking on everyone that is different than them. It's like a bunch of bullies decided to form a political group.
Again. The 13 colonies had state Christianity. They started this country. Is it not Christian?
 

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Actually, most of the Founding Fathers were theists who paid lip service to Christianity. They were students of the Enlightenment which valued reason over superstition. Jefferson took a blade and famously (and literally) cut all the miracles out of his NT because he thought they were stupid.

James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, wrote:

Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history [attempts where religious bodies had already tried to encroach on the government]. [James Madison, Detached Memoranda, 1820]

The idea that you've "read the full history of this country" is laughable.
This is beyond laughable. Madison absolutely believed in God. Which liberal AI bullsh-t site did you pull this from? Let me enlighten you on Madison's words...

Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments | Constitution Center https://share.google/mxDmTcNz94lAh2v9i

You're as ignorant as the folks who claim Jefferson was an atheist. He never was. He went through massive depression after his wife died. Jefferson always believed in a higher power. Read his letters.
 
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This is beyond laughable. Madison absolutely believed in God. Which liberal AI bullsh-t site did you pull this from? Let me enlighten you on Madison's words...

Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments | Constitution Center https://share.google/mxDmTcNz94lAh2v9i

You're as ignorant as the folks who claim Jefferson was an atheist. He never was. He went through massive depression after his wife died. Jefferson always believed in a higher power. Read his letters.
AL-JEFFERSON WUZ A MUZZIE!!!

Chief Keef Ellison, AG of MinniSomalia, toad me so.
 

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Actually, most of the Founding Fathers were theists who paid lip service to Christianity. They were students of the Enlightenment which valued reason over superstition. Jefferson took a blade and famously (and literally) cut all the miracles out of his NT because he thought they were stupid.

James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, wrote:

Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history [attempts where religious bodies had already tried to encroach on the government]. [James Madison, Detached Memoranda, 1820]

The idea that you've "read the full history of this country" is laughable.
The problem with ignorant folks like you is simply this, y'all constantly want to put people in a box for your own agenda. That's not how history works. History has never been Black and White.
 

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Again. The 13 colonies had state Christianity. They started this country. Is it not Christian?
The majority of people in the US identify as Christian, but that doesn't make this a Christian nation. The majority of the people in this country are white now, and in the 13 colonies, does that make us a white nation?
 
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The majority of people in the US identify as Christian, but that doesn't make this a Christian nation. The majority of the people in this country are white now, and in the 13 colonies, does that make us a white nation?
Absolutely it does! Why do you want to change the fabric of our country? Are we not the greatest country in the world? Stick with what works!
 
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Hotshoe

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And you can teach it without reading a single word of any holy text.
No, you cannot. How are you going to teach the real story of William Penn without proving Scripture of how he became a Quaker? Good luck. It's real history. Why do y'all hate it so much? Htf are you going to teach the history of Persia without religious texts? Tell me how.

No one gives a flying F regarding your atheism or religious beliefs. Are you really pretending you can teach Mohammad without including the Quran.

Tell me precisely how you teach American history without the teaching of Religion in America? You cannot.
 

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This is beyond laughable. Madison absolutely believed in God.
That's literally the definition of a theist, dipshit. Madison was likely a deist...

Which liberal AI bullsh-t site did you pull this from? Let me enlighten you on Madison's words...

Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments | Constitution Center https://share.google/mxDmTcNz94lAh2v9i
You actually posted the musings of Madison on why the government should be kept out of religious matters?? And you thought you were making a point that supported YOUR beliefs? Holy fu.ck, you're dumber than a box of rocks. I realize you could never comprehend Madison's "arcane" prose but did you even read the background?

Madison urged the Virginia legislature to reject a pending bill that would have provided for public funding of those teaching the Christian faith and pass Thomas Jefferson’s religious freedom bill.

JFC, you're stupid.
 

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To the contrary. Those words are never mentioned in the Constitution, nor can you find them. It simply states, Congress will make no law respecting an establishment of religion. That does not mean what you believe it does. You clearly missed the second part where the government cannot interfere with the Free Exercise Clause. It's still debated to this very day regarding schools, particularly, private religious schools.

Why do private schools have the right to teach a certain religion, and not others?

Like I stated earlier, I don't agree with Texas, but it's definitely a gray area, and will likely go to the SCOTUS. That said, look at Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists in 1802.

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God... thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

The SCOTUS used his words to reinforce the Establishment Clause in the 20th century.

Thanks for your post.

Those are two separate clauses. The Establishment Clause, which is what I reference. The part you reference is the Free Exercise Clause.

Private religious schools can teach what they want about religion because of the Free Exercise Clause.

What can’t happen is the State mandating the teaching of a particular religion - such as “the Bible” - in State schools. The Court has held for decades - “no state law or school board may require that passages from the Bible be read in the public school of a state.”

That doesn’t appear to be a gray area to me.