A public school district is an arm of government, same as if the State of Texas required it.
Effing schools are indoctrinating our children
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A public school district is an arm of government, same as if the State of Texas required it.
It's adorable this hayseed thinks he knows more about the law and Constitution than a lawyer. This feels like when people come in with their Drs. Google and tiktok diagnoses.
Your stance is that the federal government had separation, but the states did not until 1868. School Districts are a local governmental agency, not part of federal or state. So therefore they would not be bound to those measures.
Hayseed? Is that some Iowa insult? The fact is we had state religions. This country was founded by Christians. Sorry yall don’t like that.
Ooh a lawyer. How impressive. Lawyers are falling off of trees around here. How about go get a real job.
I always get confused that the same people that think the government is too incompetent to lead administer things like education and healthcare also want the government to teach their children religion. And they want these same teachers that are indoctrinating leftist ideals to be the ones to teach it.
That would mean that Republicans would have to do more than pay lip service to the Constitution.
This new curriculum will be flavored with heavy does of Trump worship and a side dish of billionaires should be allowed to whatever they want notes.
Speaking for myself, there should be religion in every facet of life...ALL.THE.TIME. It keeps me busy.
In regards to the population in general I agree with @LiveFreeOrDie97
You really believe local schools are not bound by the Constitution because they are neither the feds nor the state?
Wow. I don’t even know what to say to that.
So Brown v. Board of Education - the Board should have just told the Supreme Court it isn’t subject to the Constitution because the Board is part of local government?
Republicans have been trying to redefine the meaning of "separation" for a long time. This may be when they finally get away with it.
You said that states weren’t bound by the 1st amendment! How else could we have had state religions if it didn’t allow it!
Let's suppose that your side wins this argument in the Supreme Court, and imposing the Christian religion in public schools is deemed constitutional....
Do you think that's a good thing? If so, why?
I personally don’t think we should be imposing on anyone. I don’t think it is as awful as some of yall atheists seem to think it is. Christian Values are good, so why wouldn’t it be good to teach them in school. I assure you that it was done that way for many years. What is the downside? I guess some other religions who wouldn’t like it. Obviously the LGBT++ community doesn’t like it.
I was more just arguing to point out that the separation of church and state is not as clear as some think because they haven’t read the full history of this country.
I can't wait for us to become a Christian state. You know, like the Islamic state of Iran. Or the Jewish state of Israel.
[from Wikipedia]
Linguist and political commentator Noam Chomsky makes a distinction between the concept of "a Jewish ethnic homeland in Palestine" and that of "a Jewish state" in his interview on C-SPAN, saying that he has always supported a Jewish ethnic homeland in Palestine, which is different from a Jewish state. He says that there is a strong case to be made for an ethnic homeland, but he has always been opposed to a Jewish state, for the same reasons he would be opposed to "a Christian state, or a White state, or an Islamic republic". Chomsky believes the concept of a Jewish State (or Muslim, Christian or White State) directly contradicts the concept of a democratic state as it is understood in the Western tradition, because liberal democracy is founded upon a principle in which there is no privileged citizen.
[from Wikipedia]
Linguist and political commentator Noam Chomsky makes a distinction between the concept of "a Jewish ethnic homeland in Palestine" and that of "a Jewish state" in his interview on C-SPAN, saying that he has always supported a Jewish ethnic homeland in Palestine, which is different from a Jewish state. He says that there is a strong case to be made for an ethnic homeland, but he has always been opposed to a Jewish state, for the same reasons he would be opposed to "a Christian state, or a White state, or an Islamic republic". Chomsky believes the concept of a Jewish State (or Muslim, Christian or White State) directly contradicts the concept of a democratic state as it is understood in the Western tradition, because liberal democracy is founded upon a principle in which there is no privileged citizen.
What? The states were bound as of the adoption of the 14th Amendment in 1868.
The last state sponsored religion was abolished in 1833.
1st Amendment, 1st Sentence.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion …
I didn’t see separation in there. A state religion, really Christian denomination in the case of the USA, is part of the government and funded by tax payer dollars. Reading the Bible in school is not the same thing.
The 14th amendment had nothing to do with religion. It was slavery/civil rights.
Federal law/constitution trumps state and local law. We all know this. So how until 1833 did we have state religions if the 1st amendment said that is not allowed?
The first 4 are about how god is a jealous teenager. 5-10 aren't unique to Christianity. I'm an atheist and somehow inherently know murdering, lying, and stealing is wrong.
Wanna try again?
So you think the 10 commandments are bad?
We can keep going. God created humans as Male and Female. They get married and have children. Sexual immorality is bad. Drunkenness is bad. Charity. Positive life lessons. Obviously you are free to not listen and go off and steal others wealth or whatnot.
I've probably given more to charity than you. Again, not unique to Christianity. "Positive life lessons" means nothing. Marriage and having children aren't values or unique to Christianity. Hell I've done both. "Sexual immorality" is a term you've created in your head and is not shared amongst all Christians. Frankly your version of it is a lot closer to Islam.
Christians are largely lousy, boring bigots. Regardless of whatever beliefs they outwardly profess but ignore in their own lives. Especially true of Protestants in my experience. Very nosy and hypocritical.
Actually, no we can't. Forcing students to read a particular religious text to the exclusion of all others is the very core of establishing a state religion. The Constitution clearly prohibits it, and the 14th Amendment applies it to state governments. There's no "disagreement" possible - there's only right or wrong. @kidmike41 is entitled to be wrong but it makes him look dumb.
Actually, most of the Founding Fathers were theists who paid lip service to Christianity. They were students of the Enlightenment which valued reason over superstition. Jefferson took a blade and famously (and literally) cut all the miracles out of his NT because he thought they were stupid.
James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, wrote:
Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history [attempts where religious bodies had already tried to encroach on the government]. [James Madison, Detached Memoranda, 1820]
The idea that you've "read the full history of this country" is laughable.
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I assure you haven’t given more to charity than me. Sexual immorality is talked about often in the Bible. Try reading it sometime.