This might be a little tougher than Putin thought

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remember all those US social media dipshits who were like "i'm leaving the US to go live in prosperous russia" and then as soon as they got there they were drafted into the war and never seen again?

that **** was funny

The one I saw was of a religious family looking for a more conservative place to raise their family. Then, as soon as they got there, he was drafted to go fight and the wife was planning on praying.

Look, I don't think there's any prayer you can say to save your husband when he's an American thrown into the meat grinder with a bunch of drunks that don't even speak the same language.
 

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The one I saw was of a religious family looking for a more conservative place to raise their family. Then, as soon as they got there, he was drafted to go fight and the wife was planning on praying.

Look, I don't think there's any prayer you can say to save your husband when he's an American thrown into the meat grinder with a bunch of drunks that don't even speak the same language.
This is my favorite one. The Donbas cowboy ended up being kidnapped and tortured by Russian soldiers in a twist of fate most people could have seen coming.

 
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Ukraine seems to be able to hit what they want when they want.

 

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Ukraine seems to be able to hit what they want when they want.

I read that Putin's popularity has slipped to about 70% which is still extraordinarily high. I looked a few places and those aren't just state sponsored polls. I really don't understand the mindset of Russian people.

I know a guy from Ukraine that had to flee. He was a Putin supporter but I think he changed his opinion due to the war and his displacement. We have a neighbor who is originally from Russia and still seems to support Putin. She doesn't like to discuss politics so we don't know what drives her thinking.
 
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I read that Putin's popularity has slipped to about 70% which is still extraordinarily high. I looked a few places and those aren't just state sponsored polls. I really don't understand the mindset of Russian people.
They have seen enough big shots fall out of windows to know speaking up against Putin will get them whacked.

With regard to crimea, it seems to me that it doesn’t really matter what Putin wants or threatens. If it’s under siege and out of supplies, they can’t defend it.
 

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The one I saw was of a religious family looking for a more conservative place to raise their family. Then, as soon as they got there, he was drafted to go fight and the wife was planning on praying.

Look, I don't think there's any prayer you can say to save your husband when he's an American thrown into the meat grinder with a bunch of drunks that don't even speak the same language.
yeah it was mainly the trad wife movement people.
 

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They have seen enough big shots fall out of windows to know speaking up against Putin will get them whacked.

With regard to crimea, it seems to me that it doesn’t really matter what Putin wants or threatens. If it’s under siege and out of supplies, they can’t defend it.
I would leave the Kerch bridge standing in order for those criminals to have a way to crawl out.
After this war is over, it would be a positive for whatever trade starts back up.
Have a self destruct button ready in case the orcs try another invasion.
 

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Get out, orcs. Go home to your marginalized homeland. pootie has systematically raped her and now there is not enough left to sustain the elite lifestyles in Moscow and St Pete.
pootie will not survive this defeat.
 
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I would leave the Kerch bridge standing in order for those criminals to have a way to crawl out.
After this war is over, it would be a positive for whatever trade starts back up.
Have a self destruct button ready in case the orcs try another invasion.
I think russians are on the clock to get out before it is destroyed. Leaving it intact, to me, only invites further aggression from Russia. That doesn’t mean they need to blow the whole thing up. They just need to make sure it can’t be used and repaired until Ukraine is in the free and clear.
 

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That is part of the plot of Tom Clancy’s Red Storm Rising (albeit set in Soviet times). The Soviet Union encounters a massive energy problem and decides to invade the west preemptively.

It’s hard to tease out just how much damage Ukraine is doing to Russia’s energy infrastructure on a national scale, but you are right…this could get tricky if Russia gets so destabilized that it becomes existential for the nation state.
I'm getting off topic here and apologize, but remember back in the 80's it was thought that a Soviet/Warsaw Pact conventional invasion of the west might be unstoppable just because of the huge numerical edge the Warsaw Pact would have had in men/tanks/materiel? That tactical nukes might be the only possible response?

I would assume that what would have actually happened is that US/NATO air power and the superiority of US/NATO tanks/artillery/technology would have stopped any invasion almost immediately in its tracks. Also that the Warsaw Pact countries would have been completely worthless as allies for the Soviets or may have actually actively attempted to sabotage a Soviet invasion.

Circa 2022 I would bet the Russian Army would have had a difficult time just with the individual militaries of Nato countries (say Poland), let alone the whole of NATO.
 

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What choice do they have? They can’t supply the front lines. They can’t supply Crimea. They can’t provide fuel to people in Moscow.
I don't think Putin will concede defeat in order to provide fuel to people in Moscow. He hasn't been deterred by 1.2 million deaths.
 

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This is my favorite one. The Donbas cowboy ended up being kidnapped and tortured by Russian soldiers in a twist of fate most people could have seen coming.

Sources close to the leadership of the Donetsk People's Republic further alleged that Bentley had been subject to sexual violence before his death; Le Monde reported that the military board of inquiry had opened investigations into both murder and rape. On April 28, Bentley's Telegram channel reported that his vehicle had been found near the frontline, incinerated with his remains inside in an apparent attempt to conceal the crime.

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I don't think Putin will concede defeat in order to provide fuel to people in Moscow. He hasn't been deterred by 1.2 million deaths.
Way more than fuel issues to Moscow bro. Their entire military has been about snuffed out and they have no air defense to the industrial complex being taken out one factory at a time. Plus pretty clear smoke Putin is in the brink of being deposed.
 

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Way more than fuel issues to Moscow bro. Their entire military has been about snuffed out and they have no air defense to the industrial complex being taken out one factory at a time. Plus pretty clear smoke Putin is in the brink of being deposed.
If Putin is deposed he might be replaced by somebody who is ready to negotiate a peace agreement. It would probably be based on the Istanbul agreement of 2022 where there would be a cease fire, Russia would keep Crimea, and they would negotiate the eastern regions of Ukraine. I would be stunned if the agreement would be to relinquish all areas currently controlled by Russia.
 

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If Putin is deposed he might be replaced by somebody who is ready to negotiate a peace agreement. It would probably be based on the Istanbul agreement of 2022 where there would be a cease fire, Russia would keep Crimea, and they would negotiate the eastern regions of Ukraine. I would be stunned if the agreement would be to relinquish all areas currently controlled by Russia.
Russia would keep Crimea? How would they provide logistics? They are toasted there.
 

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If Putin is deposed he might be replaced by somebody who is ready to negotiate a peace agreement. It would probably be based on the Istanbul agreement of 2022 where there would be a cease fire, Russia would keep Crimea, and they would negotiate the eastern regions of Ukraine. I would be stunned if the agreement would be to relinquish all areas currently controlled by Russia.
The longer this war goes on, the weaker Russia's position becomes. They are not now negotiating from a position of strength and it diminishes more every day. Russia is in no position to make demands.
 
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