This might be a little tougher than Putin thought

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Doesn't appear there's any graceful exit for Russia at this point.

Fortunately for Ukraine, Merica's influence lessens by the week.
We don’t talk about it much these days because we got immune to the threats made almost daily the first 2 years of war as it went bad, but in this final stage as Ukraine appears to be winning by both isolation of Crimea and overwhelming now deep targets in Russia with drones and missiles, we are in a dangerous point where Putin may use nukes as a last desperate measure.
 

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We don’t talk about it much these days because we got immune to the threats made almost daily the first 2 years of war as it went bad, but in this final stage as Ukraine appears to be winning by both isolation of Crimea and overwhelming now deep targets in Russia with drones and missiles, we are in a dangerous point where Putin may use nukes as a last desperate measure.
My hope, much like the dilemma with Trump in the WH, is that any military leader would refuse such an order and Putin/Trump would be imprisoned.
 

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We don’t talk about it much these days because we got immune to the threats made almost daily the first 2 years of war as it went bad, but in this final stage as Ukraine appears to be winning by both isolation of Crimea and overwhelming now deep targets in Russia with drones and missiles, we are in a dangerous point where Putin may use nukes as a last desperate measure.
That is part of the plot of Tom Clancy’s Red Storm Rising (albeit set in Soviet times). The Soviet Union encounters a massive energy problem and decides to invade the west preemptively.

It’s hard to tease out just how much damage Ukraine is doing to Russia’s energy infrastructure on a national scale, but you are right…this could get tricky if Russia gets so destabilized that it becomes existential for the nation state.
 
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That is part of the plot of Tom Clancy’s Red Storm Rising (albeit set in Soviet times). The Soviet Union encounters a massive energy problem and decides to invade the west preemptively.

It’s hard to tease out just how much damage Ukraine is doing to Russia’s energy infrastructure on a national scale, but you are right…this could get tricky if Russia gets so destabilized that it becomes existential for the nation state.
Could be their Tet offensive, from a PR perspective. Perception can be reality, even if reality isn’t as bad as what’s perceived.
 

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We don’t talk about it much these days because we got immune to the threats made almost daily the first 2 years of war as it went bad, but in this final stage as Ukraine appears to be winning by both isolation of Crimea and overwhelming now deep targets in Russia with drones and missiles, we are in a dangerous point where Putin may use nukes as a last desperate measure.
Same as always. Using nukes is his own suicide.
 

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