The art of the deal!
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“300 million of taxpayers money”….we know who watched MSNow
I fondly remember my teenage yesrs and the hostage crisis. Carter was a cream puff. Reagan says the minute I take office the hostages will be considered POWs. They came home then.
Carter, both Bush’s, Clinton, Obama, Biden all played Candy Land while Iran killed thousands and turned nuclear inspectors away like you shut the door on a Jehovah’s Witness. They understand force, Trump gave them that. Biden gave them “don’t.”
I’ll take “force” for $200 Alex. We know Candy Land doesn’t work.
But hey, that reflection pool gets more coverage by the left than the border or Samoli fraud. Sad days.
Did I mention gas is $2.99 in a real state….lol
What was the tangible results again? Kicking the can 10 years down the road with Iran not allowing inspectors. But you do you. I have lived a long life. Seen it all materialize. Obama unfroze Iranian money, and it’s great. Trump will unfreeze their money based on performance factors…how terrible.
I love the quote by you that they now have control of the strait. If they have it now, they must have had it in December and every year prior. I think our warships will disagree with who has control. Iran has no Navy or Air Force. But rogue mines and small boats with hand held rockets do present a problem. Control….I think not
You based your opinion on that? Biden forced the vaccine on everyone….I guess in your mind he deserves two prizes.
Did you take the time to read the post in which I responded? If so, you'll understand why I used professor (referencing the "keyboard" professor)
actually I think it may end up being our money after listening to comments by the vice president
I guess you have forgotten or did not pay attention to everything Trump gave away, what pisses me off, trump had all this tough talk for years about how he would increase the pressure upon Iran, by not allowing them to sell oil, increase the sanctions even further etc, and then when it's his turn to negotiate, Iran literally gets everything they want while we get absolutely nothing in return. He just made Iran much stronger and they will be a bigger problem in the future than they were thanks to the "art of the deal". Great job Trump!
Be careful. Someone may say you have "TCS" (Trump Cult Syndrome). After all, even Mike Pence referred to the MOU as "appeasement".
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The fact conveniently left out by the TDS crowd is that the Obama agreement had an expiration date, October 2025, and Iran had already said they would no longer abide by it. Acting like the Obama deal was some great, powerful deterrent to Iran developing nuclear weapons is completely false and anyone in the Trump hatred hysteria crowd who doesn't acknowledge that it is false is either ignorant of the facts or is being intentionally dishonest.
I don't like how this Iran deal went, it is still to be determined if the MOU is actually a positive for the world or not. Comparing the MOU to the Obama JCPOA is stupid.
If you think Iran is stronger today than on March 1, there is really no need for anyone to talk to you.
More leverage, no. More loser's prideful hubris, yes. They know now that they are powerless to stop us, and more importantly, Israel, from bombing them at will. Their only threat today is the threat of attacking other Gulf states with missiles. That threat is going to diminish as the Gulf states that viewed them as an annoyance now view them as an enemy. The Gulf states are Arabs, Iranians are Persian, not Arab. There is no sense of "brotherhood". Iran's actions, attacking the Gulf states, is going to push the Gulf states more into an alliance with the US and, to a lesser degree, but still important, Israel. Iran will now be seen as a common enemy by every country in the region. Iran has no allies anywhere in the world. China only views them as an oil vendor, they have no love for a theocratic state and are never going to fight to protect Iran. Russia does not give them a second thought, they are useless to Russia. India is not going to jeopardize relations with the US to stand up for Iran. Europe is still soft on Iran, but the new knowledge that Iran has missiles capable of striking Western Europe is going to make Iran much less benign in European eyes.
Iran's only bargaining chip is their claimed ability to close the Strait. I look for many Gulf states to ramp up pipeline construction in the coming years to bypass the strait, If Iran tries closing the strait, I can see the US taking the gloves off and really pummeling their oil and other infrastructure. The cost to Iran would be prohibitive.
I will reserve judgement when a final deal is signed. However, I don't like the MOU BS.
It's been confirmed that we are powerless in stopping them from shutting down the Strait. Claimed ability??? You are kidding? They have proven they have the ability. That is leverage and why Trump signed this crappy MOU. You can spin it however you would like but it's reality.
There is no winning with the TDS crowd.
If we had gone in and destroyed Iran completely the complaint would be that we did not ''give peace a chance'' and ''Trump is Hitler''.
The goal is to get rid of Iran's nuclear weapons capabilities and that goal is still achievable.
If we had gone in and destroyed Iran completely the complaint would be that we did not ''give peace a chance'' and ''Trump is Hitler''.
The goal is to get rid of Iran's nuclear weapons capabilities and that goal is still achievable.
They had the same ability before the war, they did not gain any leverage. If they develop nuclear weapons, you will see what real leverage looks like. If nothing had been done now, they would have built up their missile reserves to the point they could develop nuclear weapons under a shield of the threat of massive missile attacks if anyone tried to stop them. Once they had a nuclear weapon, they would hold the entire region hostage.
They can be pesky about the strait, but if the US brought all force to bear, the strait would be open. We are far from powerless in stopping them from closing the strait. If Iran closed the strait without being attacked, more countries than the US would respond. This closure showed that even closed, world markets did not collapse as predicted. Yes, fuel and oil prices rose, but, economies didn't collapse due to the loss of Persian Gulf oil.
How expensive would gasoline have to be before you said it was OK for Iran to have a nuclear weapon? Would the death of a few million Israelis be worth cheap oil? If you think Iran can close the strait without a nuclear weapon, think about their ability to close it with one.
We obliterated their nuclear weapons capabilities earlier this year. These were the words of our of Trumps folks. Maybe look up the definition of the word obliterate? Yet, we start a war to take away their unclear capabilities that we already obliterated?? Makes perfect sense, right?
On the bright side, we are working to open the Strait that was open before the war started. A moral victory for Trump. Hence, the art of the deal.
We obliterated their nuclear weapons earlier this year so please stop with the nonsense. Or maybe Trump's folks were lying about them being obliterated? 1+1 is not adding up to 2 unless you have TDV.
That's the best ya got? No defense, default to TDS. You learned from the best.
TDS is Trump Deflection Syndrome. It’s in his DNA.
i can’t square up his statements about the “total obliteration” of their nuclear capabilities after the June bombings and starting what we’re doing now.
Was he lying then or now or both?
He got played by Bibi.
i can’t square up his statements about the “total obliteration” of their nuclear capabilities after the June bombings and starting what we’re doing now.
Was he lying then or now or both?
He got played by Bibi.
If you get your opinion from MSM, he does nothing but lie and EVERYTHING he does is wrong.
If you get your opinion from FOX, he walks on water.
To start a thread on FGF to crybaby about Trump is the very definition of TDS.
"Read my lips, no new taxes"
"I did not have affairs with that woman"
"If you want to keep your doctor, you can"
"WMD"
They all lie!
Compulsive liar!
Trump's claims that the Reflecting Pool's issues were caused by a vandal who managed to slash a supposed gash the length of a football field into the pool without being seen by a single tourist or law-enforcement officer is absurd on its face. Despite dozens of reporters, influencers, and thousands of tourists venturing to the Reflecting Pool in the past days to check out the algae-infested, sloughing mess in front of the Lincoln Memorial, not a single person has managed to document evidence of this, nor has Trump or the White House been able to provide any. Now, to no one's surprise, new documents obtained by The New York Times confirm that the White House' claims of vandalism causing the Reflecting Pool's sealant to peel up and water to turn green are what we all knew them to be: ********.
The documents, which came from the National Parks Service, show that virtually immediately after the pool was refilled following the installation of Trump's "American Flag Blue" epoxy lining, issues began to arise. Maintenance workers discovered cuts in the specialized foam that fills expansion joints between the concrete slabs of the pool, peeling caulking, and other holes and cracks. The documents describe the slashes in the foam as two cuts, each approximately 171 feet long. These are perhaps the cuts that Trump is referring to, but the documents obtained by the Times make clear that the issues with the foam are unrelated to the peeling of the coating Trump had installed.
At least six individuals have been arrested for supposedly "vandalizing" the Reflecting Pool and its lining, but all available evidence of the arrests — including videos of several of the detentions — show law enforcement detaining what seem to be mostly curious tourists reaching down to touch the water or the slabs of plastic that are floating to the pool's surface.
Trump's claims that the Reflecting Pool's issues were caused by a vandal who managed to slash a supposed gash the length of a football field into the pool without being seen by a single tourist or law-enforcement officer is absurd on its face. Despite dozens of reporters, influencers, and thousands of tourists venturing to the Reflecting Pool in the past days to check out the algae-infested, sloughing mess in front of the Lincoln Memorial, not a single person has managed to document evidence of this, nor has Trump or the White House been able to provide any. Now, to no one's surprise, new documents obtained by The New York Times confirm that the White House' claims of vandalism causing the Reflecting Pool's sealant to peel up and water to turn green are what we all knew them to be: ********.
The documents, which came from the National Parks Service, show that virtually immediately after the pool was refilled following the installation of Trump's "American Flag Blue" epoxy lining, issues began to arise. Maintenance workers discovered cuts in the specialized foam that fills expansion joints between the concrete slabs of the pool, peeling caulking, and other holes and cracks. The documents describe the slashes in the foam as two cuts, each approximately 171 feet long. These are perhaps the cuts that Trump is referring to, but the documents obtained by the Times make clear that the issues with the foam are unrelated to the peeling of the coating Trump had installed.
At least six individuals have been arrested for supposedly "vandalizing" the Reflecting Pool and its lining, but all available evidence of the arrests — including videos of several of the detentions — show law enforcement detaining what seem to be mostly curious tourists reaching down to touch the water or the slabs of plastic that are floating to the pool's surface.
The fact ducks died in the pool tells me something toxic was put into it.
The hysteria over a pool lining by the left and the media is almost comical.
Regardless of the ducks, Trump flat out lied (again)? He said vandals put a 350 foot cut in the liner and he personally saw the cut. You appear to be good with the continued lies. TDV for sure.
George Castansa one said, "it's not a lie if you truly believe it".
Trumps cronies poured a bunch of Hydrogen Peroxide in the water. I'm fairly certain that this isn't healthy for a duck. Security cameras couldn't catch the vandals but cameras were able to catch Trumps cronies dumping in Hydrogen peroxide? Right on!
You should get a life. Absolutely pathetic.
This is FGF, Go to a libtard whine board to complain about Trump.
Harris never really laid out her plans as president.
I want a leader who is not thin-skinned, and who treats the opposition with respect. Regardless of who is in the White House.
Reading your other post, there are two documented cuts of 170 feet? And Trump is talking about 350 feet?
340 vs 350 is too big of a coincidence for me, and tells me that those cuts are probably what hes talking about.
You can watch his press conference. He said it was cut with a box cutter or exacto knife. He started out at 250 feet then went up to 350 feet. The press asked for evidence. I'm paraphrasing but he said he saw it with his own two eyes, that is his evidence. He's the only one that has seen it. Thousands of tourists and media with cameras and nobody else has put their eyes on the giant cut.
Okay, you seem to be contradicting yourself here. No one but Trump has seen the cut, but you earlier typed:
The documents, which came from the National Parks Service, show that virtually immediately after the pool was refilled following the installation of Trump's "American Flag Blue" epoxy lining, issues began to arise. Maintenance workers discovered cuts in the specialized foam that fills expansion joints between the concrete slabs of the pool, peeling caulking, and other holes and cracks. The documents describe the slashes in the foam as two cuts, each approximately 171 feet long.
In that post, you write:
Despite dozens of reporters, influencers, and thousands of tourists venturing to the Reflecting Pool in the past days to check out the algae-infested, sloughing mess in front of the Lincoln Memorial, not a single person has managed to document evidence of this, nor has Trump or the White House been able to provide any.
You then immediately follow that by saying the NYT has documents proving Trump lied. And part of those documents are listing two 170 foot cuts.
That seems to corroborate Trump's statement, not refute it.
Imagine being so pathetic that you have to go to a gamecock sports board because you are triggered by Trump and a reflecting pool.
Fair enough. I meant nobody from the public and media. Of course the parks and rec along with all Trumps sheep have seen it (wink wink). Wasn't it Trump that also said this material couldn't be cut?
Okay, this doesnt make sense.
The parks service is now supposedly covering for Trump? But originally, you specifically said they were refuting Trump.
You specifically held up the National Parks documents as refuting Trump. Then went on type what they wrote, and they actually corroborate him.
So, after trying to use them as a source when you thought they agreed with you, you're now dismissing them?
People sure do get riled up regarding politics. I said this 2 years ago and, I'll say it again: my life has never been made significantly better or worse because my candidates won or lost. Now I could be the exception. But I'm drawing on decades of experience. What local pols do has more of an impact than pols at the other levels. Yet fewer vote in local elections. Go figure.