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Trump Just Surrendered to Iran--Pathetic
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all these LOSER libs have no understanding of the ART OF THE DEAL! President Trump is playing 5D nuclear chess and the libs can't even comprehend tic-tac-toe, SAD!
This is truly one of the accomplishments of world history! And it is so SAD that our resident loser libs hate our country so much they can't stand the fact that we are WINNING the ULTIMATE VICTORY!
$2,500 for every tax payer to pay Iran is but a small "Patriot tax" for our FREEDOM!
This is truly one of the accomplishments of world history! And it is so SAD that our resident loser libs hate our country so much they can't stand the fact that we are WINNING the ULTIMATE VICTORY!
$2,500 for every tax payer to pay Iran is but a small "Patriot tax" for our FREEDOM!
Or Bloomberg:
He who controls the spice controls the universe.
The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis.
Cult cult cult cult cult to infinity.....
You want to talk tons of cash going to Iran? Trump's giving Iran hundreds of billions of dollars and the nuclear issue at best gets kicked down the road (did you see Trump's media appearance today?).
The only reason the Arab states are "thrilled" with Trump's "new deal" is that it potentially ends a disastrous war. Undoubtedly all of them would take the terms of the Obama negotiated JCPOA in a heartbeat over this disastrous war and (hopefully) ending.
Just shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up.
The illustrious "researcher" at play on the sports message board.
More like the standard issue Maga cultist, whether an 8th grade drop-out or a Phd.
Trump is unconditionally surrendering.
Read the 14-Point Draft Memorandum Between the US and Iran
(Bloomberg) -- The US and Iran are expected to formally sign a memorandum of understanding on June 19 in Switzerland, paving the way for 60 days of talks aimed at ending their war for good and putting strict new limits on Iran's nuclear program.Most Read from BloombergIran's Deputy Foreign...finance.yahoo.com
Below is the text of the 14-point draft memorandum, as seen by Bloomberg News.
- The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States, together with their allies in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article and the remaining Articles.
- The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to respect each other's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other's internal affairs.
- The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a maximum period of 60 days, extendable by mutual consent.
- Immediately upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States Lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within a maximum of 30 days to its full capacity; the traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre-war volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement.
- Upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the Islamic Republic of Iran will immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa is resumed within 30 days to the pre-war volume, taking into account the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralization of mines by Iran.
- The United States undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran, While ensuring financing of at least $300 billion. The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days.
- The United States commits to ending, on a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing the Islamic Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United Nations Security Council and the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, both primary and secondary.
- The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran's nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article.
- The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region.
- The United States undertakes that immediately after the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and until the date of the lifting of sanctions, the United States Treasury Department will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petrochemical products and their derivatives, and all related services, including banking, insurance, transportation, and the like.
- The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis.
- The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that an implementation mechanism will be established to oversee the successful implementation of and future commitment to the Final Agreement.
- Following the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and upon receipt of assurances regarding the commencement of implementation of Articles 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this Memorandum of Understanding, and the continued implementation of these steps, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States will enter into negotiations for a Final Agreement solely with respect to the remaining Articles.
- The final agreement will be approved through a binding resolution of the UN Security Council.
The "pallets" crowd I'm sure will be even more outraged at Trump than they were at Obama and absolutely will apologize to all of us for their prior support for Trump after perusing these articles of the MOU:
- The United States undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran, While ensuring financing of at least $300 billion. The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days.
- The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis.
They're getting $300 billion from somewhere according to the MOU. You seriously think where it's coming from is a hill you want to die on? And you think it's not probably coming from us? Mr Researcher? 38 years?
Cult cult cult.
And they're getting all the remaining frozen funds and all sanctions will be taken off.
And you morons have been bitching about those pallets for a decade plus. Own the defeat/disaster dips.hit.
LOL. Look at this guy. Mr Researcher can't even get the easily discernable point made by another poster.
This Iran disaster by Trump is arguably and probably the worst strategic disaster in the history of the country, whatever the casualty counts.
Idiot.
LOL, what are you smoking? Democrats are generally against this Iran War, much less sending U.S. ground forces into Iran.
And @TarponSpringsNole IS a 60-year-old-woman who is SOOOOOO "gender dysphoric" he CAN'T even cut his own cock off!
Back in my day we just cut our own cocks off!
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You're saying that this isn't part of the MOU? And if it actually is will you admit that Trump is giving the Iranians hundreds of billions and unfreezing assets and lifting sanctions as ransom because he lost his war?
Another gem from this idiot from the 1st page of the thread.
Similar to the original war thread from the other board.
Again, look at this idiot. From page 1 of the thread.
Stop digging, Ned. I've said all along that it was the Iranians' money. You and your fellow Trump Cultists were the folks braying incessantly about Obama giving Iran "pallets of cash." Just yesterday, Trump was claiming that Obama gave the Iranians "hundreds of billions of dollars."
But now, Trump is the one giving big bucks to Iran. It's still Iran's money as far as I am concerned. But you and your fellow Trump Cultists never made or even accepted that argument until now, when your Orange Hero is the one forking over the money. And it's MANY TIMES the amount that Obama handed over. (About 14.7 times as much, to be precise.)
I WILL give you that I have not seen the MOU, so it is possible that the various reports that Trump will hand over $25 billion in frozen Iranian funds are all untrue. But I doubt it. Unlike the $300 billion in funds for infrastructure repairs, which has been far less widely reported, which will apparently come from various Gulf states rather than the U.S., and which is rumored to be paid only as and when Iran performs various of its obligations under this deal, the unfreezing of either $24 billion or $25 billion in Iranian funds has been a consistent demand of the Iranians. In fact, they have demanded the release of these funds as a condition of further negotiations. I would bet that this particular deal point is locked in, and that the frozen funds will be released up front.
So Trump is handing Iran a whole lot of money. Roughly fifteen (15) times more than Obama gave the Iranians. Right? Oh, wait. Trump said that none of it will be in cash, so I guess it doesn't count if it's not in cash, right? And if this $24-$25 billion is paid up front rather than over time, what will your argument be then? What a maroon.
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Captain Houseboat: I realize it borders on anathema for anyone to take issue with you on military related issues given your scintillating personal record of military service, but the truth is that assessments of military degradation are difficult to make, and vary considerably depending on the source.
You posit as absolute "facts" that 80% of Iran's defense capabilities have been wiped out and 84% of Iran's missiles have been wiped out. I'm not sure where missile launchers fit in your statistics, but Google's sources appear to disagree with you:
Estimates regarding the destruction of Iran's missile launchers vary widely depending on the source, with Israeli military assessments claiming approximately 60% to 70% of launch capacity has been neutralized, while US intelligence reports that only about one-third has been definitively confirmed as destroyed.
Captain Houseboat has already imparted his wisdom on this subject. He said "Iran gets nothing until they capitulates [sic]." He's wicked smaht.
Will Stancil (@whstancil.bsky.social)
Really the final manifestation of Trumpism. Lose a war badly, humiliate the whole country, make Iran richer and more powerful than ever, and then transparently lie and say "Nah, none of that is happening, Trump won again" and let the supreme idiocy of your self-deluded base do the rest.
bsky.app
anything wrong with being a 90 year old male? Most of us want to make it that long and most never will.
I don't believe I ever posted about the Obma pallets of cash...My point was simply that in 2016, or whenever, Obama gave Iran their money, that was ok. Now that Trump wants to give Iran back their money that's bad...seem a little inconsistent? Who cares if mAGA accepted the argument...now you're not accepting the same argument you accepted before. If it was "good" then shouldn't it be good now?
I'd suggest we wait until the MOU (which I don't like by the way) is actually published
Not at all, just something wrong with being as angry as that guy at everything
There’s your $300 billion and the source, guy who keeps complaining about not having a source. Bullet point 6. Holy **** this is an awful look. Complete surrender to Iran. Would’ve been better to say welp we lost and just left.
THAT DUDE CANNOT BE EMPLOYED. NO ONE CAN BE THAT ANGRY ALL THE TIME.
This disastrous war has resulted in a lot of things discussed (loss of American lives, 10s of billions spent, billions of damaged and lost equipment and infrastructure, screwing up the economy, giving hundreds of billions to Iran, appeasement, making our military resolve look weak).
But one thing not getting as much discussion is the result has also snuffed all life out of the Iranian citizens hope they could overthrough their horrible leaders. The awful hardliners remain in power, with the country more united behind them after attack and now they are going to be enriched.
This will go down as the biggest diplomatic and war blunder a president has made. It was truly all of Trumps making. One deranged man who has nobody able to tell him no.
But one thing not getting as much discussion is the result has also snuffed all life out of the Iranian citizens hope they could overthrough their horrible leaders. The awful hardliners remain in power, with the country more united behind them after attack and now they are going to be enriched.
This will go down as the biggest diplomatic and war blunder a president has made. It was truly all of Trumps making. One deranged man who has nobody able to tell him no.
Yes, you did. Takes a big non-man to admit that, cockless.
What specific evidence do you have that shows the US intelligence agencies were not accurate in their assessment?
Spot on and perhaps literally drawn from imagining this exact scenario.
Herbert wove Persian and Arabic influences throughout Dune. The Padishah emporer, sardaukar, Lisan-al-gaib are straight up Persian. I’ve read he intended the spice to be a direct metaphor for Middle Eastern oil.
Does that make us the Harkonnens?