2027 Recruiting Thread
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The insistence of featuring small highly athletic DTs plagued the defense throughout most of Franklin’s tenure. Mustipher was an exception (never the same again after the injury), but other than him it was mostly smaller athletic DTs. That style worked very well to beat lesser competition, but if stronger conference opponents wanted to run the ball down our throats nearly every down to put us away like Michigan in 2023 or Illinois in 2021, they could do so. We always feared in big games we would start wearing down in the fourth quarter. The twitchy guys are fine if paired with a large DT.
I wasn’t talking to you, sophomore.
What I disagree with is the name calling. We can all have our opinions. Disagreement is no reason to label someone a "moron".
Franklin won the conference in 3. I don't see HCMC getting more than that in this era of "college football." I'd like someone to wager that if "excellence at the highest level" and the "NC our fans deserve" are not achieved by year 12 that either will be at PSU.
Of course I understand that the every major school has an Addidas or Nike deal but the PSU deal was quite large. That might be because it's one of the newest. It's probably also because PSU has a top 10 fan base which should get them a better deal with outfits like Addidas than most schools.
I agree that I would have liked to see the $700 billion stadium redo scaled back to $500 billion with the other $200 billion going towards players. $200 billion would provide a lot of NIL money for a decade or so. Unfortunately I don't think it works that way. Donors would prefer to sponsor a facility with a long lifespan instead of an unproven player who will be gone in a few years. I also don't think it's legal. The university can only spend $20.5 million directly and I don't know the rules for direct donor payments to athletes. Besides, PSU doesn't have $700 million for stadium renovations. They're borrowing most of the money and expect to make it back over time with higher revenues from tickets, suites, and other events. I think they've "only" received $50-$100 million or so in donations (Misitano Family, Founders, etc) so the rest is being financed.
Good news, my friend. The redo has been scaled back. It is now $700 million.
I think Bacon and Campbell are both a seniors so neither are part of a long term rebuilding plan. It would have been nice to have both players this fall because Rojas is the only other highly rated LB and who knows how he'll be after surgery.
My guess is that coach would have liked both players but he couldn't justify paying Campbell more than Bacon. There has to be some parity or you risk conflict between players.
That's how I've felt from the beginning but the problem isn't that our stadium is too nice. It's that you can only get so much from the donors.
PSU has an uphill battle trying to match the amount of money some other schools are able to raise but I think they should be able to hang around 15th.
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If you believe the folks at PSU who were promoting the Adidas/PlayFly etc deals, and accepted all that at face value, then you believe that PSU got a "deal" that was orders of magnitude more profitable than deals for the likes of Ohio State (and anyone else).
Did you believe that?
Your concerns expressed wrt all of the other financials are likely well-founded, and cause for even more significant concern.
Psu probably backed off cignetti since he ignored dt. Only had one dt over 305 lbs.
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No. You can't say it about every position. When a school has 4 CB commits and 0 DE commits it is not the same. CB is a question mark. DE is a HOLE.
. You might want to wait for Big Game Campbell to actually coach a game before you build a statue. He has one LB and one WR.
Ohio State's deal with Nike, at about $16.5 million per year, was signed ten years ago. Landscape has changed. Nike is retrenching and Adidas is simply throwing money around. Was Penn State lucky to be on the receiving end? Maybe. If so, how much is in cash?
Partially. A couple of years ago Sports Illustrated did a study to determine the largest fan bases:
- OSU
- Notre Dame
- Texas
- Penn state
- Michigan
- Oregon
- Florida
- Alabama
- Wisconsin
- USC
New study reveals biggest fan bases in college football
Did he ignore those positions or did he just lose the recruiting battles?
It seemed to me that he considered DBs more important than LBs but other than that I think he tried and missed.
Kemajou, Granville, and Arrington are sophomores. Burnett, Reeder, and Ford are freshmen. We should be OK at DE if we can hold these kids.
Ford is going to be a beast. He looked impressive in spring and he is already sized to play at a college level coming in at 240 and already at 252 through the s&c program. Reeder, a super athlete dual sport guy, has potential to be elite too, just needs to grow into his frame with a year of s&c.
Speaking of DEs, sounds promising with Emedobi. Although he does still have visits to Michigan and IU.
I wanted Campbell to stay but Amare wanted extreme money (more than the mill on the table) and the staff were unwilling to give more as they had to reconstruct a team. Rojas took his deal despite overtures from Miami because his heart is here at PSU. Some of you are addicted to numerical ratings. Amare got a final transfer portal rating of 0.91 and Bacon got a 0.93 from 247. Amare was more consistent than most on the defense, but still our defense got gassed up the middle much of the season last year.
I'm not sure what you're saying. It sounds like you think PSU only got a middle of the road deal in spite of having one of the biggest fan bases.
Let me be perfectly clear: Adidas did not have to pay Penn State $30 million a year.
The kid from Colorado is spose to be pretty good as well, wish Arrington would have red shirted he needs to gain weight if he want's to make an impact at DE.
I think you are correct. However, that doesn't play well if you want to be a top 5 program. I've said for several years now, there is a segment of the fanbase that likes to think PSU is a top 5 program. They just aren't. Unless something drastically changes, the average finish will be 10-15. There will be years like 2024 (5) and years of 7-5, 8-4.
Oregon and Ohio State are just better programs. Better funded so they can win in the recruiting process and the portal.
If Cignetti is indeed an all time coaching genius then that's the 3rd conference team with an edge.
That puts PSU in with Michigan, USC and perhaps Washington jockeying for position each year in the conference. Forgive me for having difficulty seeing excellence at the highest level.
Depends what you call "middle of the road".
If by the road you are talking about the deals that a Minnesota or NC State might make, then yes, PSU would be expected to be "above" those.
If you are talking about our "road" being deals that OSU, Michigan, Alabama, etc would sign - and that our deals would be well above those (which seems to have been the messaging put out by PSU) - that would likely be unreasonable. Right? In that "road" a reasonable person would, I believe, expect them to be middle of the road.
And the middle of that road - and one can easily enough look at the deals signed by programs like that, because they don't hermitically seal those deals from the public - and see that such deals are not game-changing mega NIL/Revenue dollars. Not even close, relative to current P4 athletic department economics.
Are YOU waiting until Campbell coaches his first game before casting aspersions? If you feel the need to go around telling people they can’t comment until Campbell coaches a game, you going to abide?
Whether it’s because BGJ ignored LB, DT, and WR recruiting for the last few years or simply swung and missed makes no difference. We were dangerously thin at those positions and he wasn’t filling them. And that’s one of the several reasons the team imploded.
No. The difference is I concede the future is unknown. You on the other hand already think the recruiting class is elite, staff elite, system is elite and so on. Campbell is already cignetti???
It's very difficult to be a top 5 program but I think PSU had all the makings of a perennial top 10 program until NIL hit. We used to be able to sell recruits on education and the amazing fan base. Now it's mostly the money and I agree that there are 10 teams ahead of us that will be difficult to ever match.
I don't like your statement that OSU and Oregon are better programs. They're just programs with a lot more money.
I think Cignetti hit lightning in a bottle. I doubt he'll be able to keep it up as a national championship contender. I do think he's turned the program around. More interest = more money so they're likely going to stay in the top half of the BiG. Just not top 2 or 3.
Because I said none of that, I have to assume you have some sort of addiction to lying. Or you’re just a troll.
And you most certainly aren’t simply conceding that the future is unknown when you’re jumping all over Campbell’s jock with such negative sh9t every 30 seconds. I’d like to see you try to take your own demand to heart, and let him coach his first game before you comment anymore. You up for that, bud?
We all know about UCLA's pay-for-play when John Wooden was the HC.