time to de escalate in mn
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seems to me from afar, that you both might be talking past each other..you both come across, to me at least as "somewhat" resposible and reasonable posters.....time to shake hands and move on...
That may be true, and I appreciate you saying that. I certainly say things I regret in life, and likely even on here. I don't typically take things personally on here all too often. Because people don't know me, they're often insulting or whatever just a name on a page, or a fictional liberal they disagree with. That particular time sent me over the edge, because I thought what RFJjr had said was ridiculous. That autistics would never write poetry or go on dates, etc. There's a decent chance he meant like non-verbal, etc and only a subset of autistic people. But he didn't say that. And autistic people already have a hard enough time going through life processing things differently than others around them, I don't think its too much to ask for the top health official to approach something like that more delicately. But rather than him clarifying that it was true about some autistics, instead he said it was factual, and asked if I, father to an autistic son, was unaware. I don't think responding with a F U was that out of line honestly. And then I even explained and gave a recap of my position and son, and he basically spent days trashing me, tagging me in everything, etc etc etc. Lastly, it just amazes me that someone who didn't hold themselves to a ban bet on the board wants to lecture anyone on integrity.
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And in the end this is all that matters to the magas. citizens being murdered? F em. As long as dear leader can "get a win".
Sad state for the country I love.
Cant wait until the next dem president stars flexing "federal supremacy". You will onboard for sure.
That's what I tried to do the first time. We had a lengthy back and forth where I explained what I said to make sure he knew I was not referring to his son. He knows very well that I was only making a factual observation. We already hashed it out. That's why I was surprised when he continued the lie in this thread.
Nobody is forgetting about the epstein files ned. No matter how much you and the other pedo protectors wish for it, nobody is forgetting about it.
Sadly, it will take republicans in congress doing the right thing to get them released. And we dont have much confidence in republicans doing the right thing.
You are a liar.
I never said anything, even in the slightest, disparaging about your son. In fact, as i explained earlier, at the time of the post i did not even know your son was on the autism spectrum.
And really you need to get some thicker skin. Autism is a spectrum by definition. So of course RFK was including non-verbal autistic people in his comment. That should be obvious, and i think it was to everyone but you. Nonetheless, I did indeed clarify this several times already and you still choose to continue the lie. That makes you a liar.
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well, in my defense, I didn't mean to intimate that anyone was forgetting.....I just pointed out that what was driving the board a few short weeks ago was no longer even being mentioned.
You know, calling me or any other posters "pedo protectors" or whatever, is really kind of childish. You never know, while you might be projecting that members of only one party might be implicated there might be a surprise or two in all those files. For me, just so you know, I have absolutely no knowledge of what's in those files, obviously you know more than I. Might I suggest that if you have knowledge, you share it with the rest of us so we can be operating with the same knowledge base as you. I doubt seriously if there is a poster on this board who supports or wants to protect pedophiles, no matter which party they'e in.
I do know that former Prince Andrew is somehow implicated.....
Very cool. I should have been able to put 2 and 2 together from some of your other posts on here and come up with "pilot". Edit to add: even though you flew before my time, i'm going to thank you .. as a guy on the ground, life is waaay better with gunship support.
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So because being a Republican is a spectrum, there are beliefs and people across it, I can say Republicans are pedophiles and can’t get a date. There are Republicans those are true about, so it is a fair statement and no one that is a Republican should take offense.
Dude - I clarified my comments ad nauseum and you are still running around repeating the lie. You are a liar.
The time to deescalate was long ago but I disagree that ICE has to move out. That would be like saying Minneapolis officials win, that sanctuary cities are legal, that illegal immigrants can roam free, and that ICE/HSI have no authority. That simply can't be allowed.
I agree 100% that there needs to be independent investigations into both killings although I'm not sure how to make them independent. Anything the Feds say will be in defense of their agents and anything state/city officials say would say murder. Both sides have already been guilty of this.
My personal opinion is that both deaths were avoidable. In both situations the deceased put themselves in a bad/risky situation but that doesn't mean they should have been killed.
Dems say Good was simply trying to get out of the way. I think that's BS. She didn't drive away carefully. She went fast into reverse then fast forward. I don't believe she was trying to run over the ICE agent as some on the right claim but I do think she was trying to escape ICE arrest and was reckless doing so. I think the officer could have got out of the way without shooting but I wouldn't want to be in the position of making a split second decision.
Reps say an agent sot Pretti in self defense. I didn't see Pretti going for his gun so I'm skeptical of that claim. But he was definitely resisting and I believe the agent shot out of fear that may have been unwarranted. It was another split second decision. We also don't know what happened in the 10 minutes before the video. As you say there should be an independent investigation.
Trump should have called for a meeting with Minnesota officials weeks ago in an attempt to deescalate. Waltz/Frey should have been more cooperative from the beginning. Too many things are about politics instead of the law and common sense.
If this is true (he’s on my ignore list so idk) that’s awful and a major part of the problem imo.
we always enjoyed shooting for the guys on the ground when they were in contact. Bad part was then when we started on a run, always seemed like the direction of fire came more toward us than toward the grunts.
I was commissioned in infantry, So I had an idea of what you guys were going through. I thank you as well, as long as you were down there, I didn't have to be
I could have written this post myself. I could quibble, but your thoughts although not 100% in sync, basically agree with mine.
I also agree with your comment on ICE. I didn't mean to imply ICE needed to leave entirely, but removing some would help deescalate. I also think a change in leadership there is a good idea.
Is this true @dpic73
you should take him off ignore for entertainment alone. Do you remember the popular meme of the beanie wearing leftist lunatic on her knees screaming after Trump won the election? Well, that’s dpic
I'm on your ignore list because it's painful to hear the truth but if you readily believe this juvenile punk is capable of giving you correct information without proper context then I have a beachfront home in Wyoming I'd like to sell you.
I know this for a fact. There are powerful people, republicans and democrats, conservatives and liberals, magas and progressives that are in those files. Some people in there are likely innocent of crimes. Some people in there are likely guilty of crimes.
There is one party, led by one person, trump, who is currently doing what they can to not release those files. The pubs were quick to hold the clintons in contempt. Why have they not done the same for Bondi?
By the way, when I heard about the clintons not showing up I was all for holding them in contempt. I do understand their point though... release ALL the files, and then they will testify, PUBLICLY.
fatpiggy, er olefastball calling someone else a liar. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
well, as I posted you obviously know a lot more than the rest of us....I don't think it's fair to call anyone a pedo enabler or whatever, if they have either less knowledge than you or no knowledge at all. Why not share what you know and then find out which poster will defend the pedophiles instead of including all of us in that designation?
After posting/responding on here I really don't think any of us is going to stand up for a pedophile, but right now I have no idea who you're posting about or what the facts are. The fact that powerful people flew on a plane or were friends with Epstein says one thing but doesn't mean they're pedophiles. Just to name 2 - Trump and Clinton - yes there are pictures of them with Epstein, but even after all this time, none of the victims have named either as pedophiles.
agreed with every point you made in this post. and to build on the part i quoted here … why aren’t those resources focused on the explicitly stated mission of deporting criminals (instead of productive moms &dads and grandparents going through the legal process of becoming citizens, innocent kids and people who already are US citizens)?
I've done it before and it didn't make a bit of difference so please stop dirtying up the board with your schoolboy nonsense.
Obama was able to deport more people with far fewer resources and no violations of civil rights.
this is all about creating trumps army of loyalists and intimidating blue voters so they can hijack all elections, or cancel them.
I think you should commit violence against yourself - lethal violence
was this taken out of context ?
Cotdamn you're a nuisance on this board, just trash.
No matter what you say to that freak about anything he responds with "you're asking for violence!"
I could say Kristi Noem looks hot in her cosplay outfit and he'll respond "You're asking for violence against a woman!!"
So yes, I jokingly responded that he should commit violence against himself because he's so so stupid, just like you.
Now back to your playdoh.
Do you really think this board is that naive, you stupid fvcktard? You need to have a really long talk with one of your cats and see what they think about it
Can't blame the bad guys for that! I'd be doing the same unless I had a nice deep hole to crawl into!
Afgan is/was a lot different than SE Asia. I can't imagine slogging and fighting as a grunt in that terrain. Much much respect for those who had to.
I got a real good appreciation when I did some training down in panama before we gave everything back to them. Operating in triple canopy jungle is like stepping into a whole different world unlike any other.
Yes police have been found guilty of these things in teh past. So by that logic, yes it happens and maybe happening right now, undetected.
By that measure - isn’t everything happening? If we are just looking at the past, damn near everything we are discussing has happened in some form in the past.
I mean, the last time federal agents were nabbing people off the street like ICE has done, it was the slave patrols. So you're correct I guess. Slave patrollers (since it's American history) has always been a better 1:1 for ICE than the gestapo imo
This is hilarious, as if the employers in MN care. They support resisting ICE and want them out of the city too.
The ENTIRE town, businesses and everything, shut down for the march last week.
But yes, dox American's who are protecting their rights and their community. Very logical and humane
Wow, this should cause the administration's popularity to soar! Making life more difficult for a local population who has already been under siege for weeks is always a winner!
Good thing we have due process requirements when enforcing laws. The burden being the one making the accusation. In this case the burden will be on the federal government to prove that these citizens posed a mortal threat. Thus the killing was justified.