time to de escalate in mn

JohnHughsPartner

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deportation of illegal migrants..he campaigned on it...."peaceful enforcement" (to steal a phrase used here)trump is losing the PR battle in Mn. With peaceful enforcement the actions there support what the American people support. Most of us are not in favor of what we see happening there. Now I recognize that ICE is not the only group at fault, but most Americans don't.

I have zero facts to back up my last point. It's only as I see it as an average american
Trump is in his final term and is the top man. He has nothing to gain. He is carrying out what what he campaigned on. I doubt he’s looking for points or distract
 

fatpiggy

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Primarily 4th and 14th amendments.
No which act. Please be more specific. I know what the amendments are and how to use google.

Im just curious of specific incidences in which the Federal Gov violated the constitution in relation to these MN protests.
 

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And no, not liking the way ICE is doing their job is not a violation of the constitution. And neither is hurting your feelings.
 

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Trump is in his final term and is the top man. He has nothing to gain. He is carrying out what what he campaigned on. I doubt he’s looking for points or distract
I don't think he's trying to distract either. But, I think he can read a crowd, and public opinion supports removing illegal migrants and the same public opinion does not like what they'd be in Mn...again just my opinion. I've been wrong before, but people I speak with see things the same way - deport them, but eliminate the aggressivnemess
 

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Nothing out there he could possibly want to distract from? Nothing at all you can think of?
you know, I was just wondering the other day, what happened to that issue that dominated the board a couple of weeks ago? Seems as if nobody cares anymore about the Epstein files...or they were released and I missed it.

Now, on the other hand one could make the argument, not me of course, that there might be an issue that the elected leadership of Minnesota or Minneapolis might also have something they want to distract from.
 

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And now there are new investigations. Or maybe you actually think Biden investigated all the fraud or maybe it stopped on the day Trump became president. Both reasonable assumptions.:rolleyes:
No doubt there were ongoing investigations that continued on from that prior one, as that is how these investigations usually go. Minnesota had beefed up its investigations and controls, etc after that fraud was revealed as well. But enjoy your outrage, I know you thrive on it.
 

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I mean, I don't know any better than anyone else, but if anyone says this is to distract, they are definitely referencing something pretty obvious, right or wrong
Okay, I see what you’re saying, but I was referring to Walz. Points for Frey and Distract for Walz
 

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Which person relevant to this protest was subject to racial profiling? How did the feds violate the constitution by racial profiling related to the thread topic at hand?

Was it the ICE agent? Was it the dead protester? Was it the intended target of the ICE enforcement action?

Your claim is that the Federal governement is trouncing the constitution. You are not not doing a good job of supporting that claim.
 

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No doubt there were ongoing investigations that continued on from that prior one, as that is how these investigations usually go. Minnesota had beefed up its investigations and controls, etc after that fraud was revealed as well. But enjoy your outrage, I know you thrive on it.
Kind of like you believe the Biden admin couldnt act on the Epstein files because there was an active investigation.

If i ever need Huckleberry to believe anything, i'll just say yada, yada, yada, there is an investigation.

I thrive on outrage and you are a liar with no integrity.
 

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Which person relevant to this protest was subject to racial profiling? How did the feds violate the constitution by racial profiling related to the thread topic at hand?

Was it the ICE agent? Was it the dead protester? Was it the intended target of the ICE enforcement action?

Your claim is that the Federal governement is trouncing the constitution. You are not not doing a good job of supporting that claim.
To be clear, you are looking for people to be protesting something that happens at the endgame protest? That is what you are looking for?

Not that the protests are happening in response to the racial profiling? It has to happen at the protest where someone was killed? (robbing them of LIFE, liberty and happiness).
 

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Which person relevant to this protest was subject to racial profiling? How did the feds violate the constitution by racial profiling related to the thread topic at hand?

Was it the ICE agent? Was it the dead protester? Was it the intended target of the ICE enforcement action?

Your claim is that the Federal governement is trouncing the constitution. You are not not doing a good job of supporting that claim.

Protestors are allowed to protest the actions of a group that may have occurred in other communities, especially because it provides good reason to believe they'll apply the same tactics to them.

Take the L and move on.
 

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Kind of like you believe the Biden admin couldnt act on the Epstein files because there was an active investigation.

If i ever need Huckleberry to believe anything, i'll just say yada, yada, yada, there is an investigation.

I thrive on outrage and you are a liar with no integrity.
Oh, I'm a liar again? Going to look right past where I provided the time you asked me if I was unaware? Or that them not being able to write poetry and get a date was factual?
 

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Protestors are allowed to protest the actions of a group that may have occurred in other communities, especially because it provides good reason to believe they'll apply the same tactics to them.

Take the L and move on.
Good luck.
 

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Oh, I'm a liar again? Going to look right past where I provided the time you asked me if I was unaware? Or that them not being able to write poetry and get a date was factual?
You are 100% a bald faced liar. You have no integrity. I never said that about your son and you know i never did. I think very poorly of you for continuing that lie.
 

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Which person relevant to this protest was subject to racial profiling? How did the feds violate the constitution by racial profiling related to the thread topic at hand?

Was it the ICE agent? Was it the dead protester? Was it the intended target of the ICE enforcement action?

Your claim is that the Federal governement is trouncing the constitution. You are not not doing a good job of supporting that claim.
well, here's my opinion on racial profiling....I'll use an analogy...not changing the subject....when they asked a bank robber (can't remember which one) why he was robbing banks, he said "that's where the money is)

If you asked an ICE agent why he was detaining a Hispanic, he might reply that's where the illegals come from.

Just another thought on the lawsuits...when you have no defense to support these folks being in the country illegally, what might you turn to to defend them...bad warrant, probable cause, racial profiling (I'm sure there are others)...To be honest, if 90% of alleged illegal migrants were Caucasian wouldn't you spend the majority of your time looking for Caucasians?
 

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You are 100% a bald faced liar. You have no integrity. I never said that about your son and you know i never did. I think very poorly of you for continuing that lie.
You seriously have reading comprehension issues. I showed the back and forth. I'm not hiding behind anything. I feel terrible you feel poorly of me.
 

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Protestors are allowed to protest the actions of a group that may have occurred in other communities, especially because it provides good reason to believe they'll apply the same tactics to them.

Take the L and move on.
not sure I totally understand your logic there....if it happened to someone else it could happen to you. Isn't that true of just about anything?
 

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well, here's my opinion on racial profiling....I'll use an analogy...not changing the subject....when they asked a bank robber (can't remember which one) why he was robbing banks, he said "that's where the money is)

If you asked an ICE agent why he was detaining a Hispanic, he might reply that's where the illegals come from.

Just another thought on the lawsuits...when you have no defense to support these folks being in the country illegally, what might you turn to to defend them...bad warrant, probable cause, racial profiling (I'm sure there are others)...To be honest, if 90% of alleged illegal migrants were Caucasian wouldn't you spend the majority of your time looking for Caucasians?
You lost me.

I'll just disagree that the Feds have violated the constitution in any way. You have not presented any evidence to change my mind. So i'll move right along.
 

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not sure I totally understand your logic there....if it happened to someone else it could happen to you. Isn't that true of just about anything?

I think that's ignoring all of the context.

  • ICE did things in other communities
  • People in Minneapolis perceived ICE's actions to have been unconstitutional
  • ICE comes to Minneapolis
  • People are pissed because of what ICE has already done and wants to protest
That makes perfect sense. I'm going to make a clear simile here. Let's say that there's a person who's done a whole lot of rape and murder. If he was going to come to your house, would you be like "well he hasn't raped and murdered my wife"?
 
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You seriously have reading comprehension issues. I showed the back and forth. I'm not hiding behind anything. I feel terrible you feel poorly of me.
To be fair, this place gets heated pretty quickly, I’ve said stuff I wish I hadn’t. And I’ve said stuff that was taken completely differently than my intention. I’ve also had some pretty horrible things said about and to me in here, I think it’s just part of this board. Don’t take it personal (I should probably heed my own advice here). I’m sure he doesn’t have any ill will towards you, your son or anyone with autism.
 

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not sure I totally understand your logic there....if it happened to someone else it could happen to you. Isn't that true of just about anything?
Ned, you have been posting all morning and have yet to be called a Nazi, racist, fascist , commie etc. This is a win for you
 

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To be fair, this place gets heated pretty quickly, I’ve said stuff I wish I hadn’t. And I’ve said stuff that was taken completely differently than my intention. I’ve also had some pretty horrible things said about and to me in here, I think it’s just part of this board. Don’t take it personal (I should probably heed my own advice here). I’m sure he doesn’t have any ill will towards you, your son or anyone with autism.
Correct. I actually am responsible for someone with Autism (and he has been on several dates and had several girlfriends). I never said anything disparaging about his son. I simply made the observation that RFK was correct that some autistic kids will never go on a date. It was never directed directly at his son (not even close), it was simply a factual observation.

We even had a lengthy back and forth, at the time of the post, where I clarified my statement and explained the intent of my words. I explained, thoroughly, they were not directed at his son.

And now he prances around telling the lie that I said his son would never get a date. It's a bald faced lie aimed to defame my character. He should be ashamed of himself. He prances around here like he has some moral high ground, yet he is a liar who continues to spread lies about things that he knows are lies. Shame on him.
 
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To be fair, this place gets heated pretty quickly, I’ve said stuff I wish I hadn’t. And I’ve said stuff that was taken completely differently than my intention. I’ve also had some pretty horrible things said about and to me in here, I think it’s just part of this board. Don’t take it personal (I should probably heed my own advice here). I’m sure he doesn’t have any ill will towards you, your son or anyone with autism.
I hope @dpic73 reads this when he finally wakes up. Just within the last week he’s posted about how his side should go around shooting magas and yesterday I’m pretty sure he told a poster to kill himself
 

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You lost me.

I'll just disagree that the Feds have violated the constitution in any way. You have not presented any evidence to change my mind. So i'll move right along.
well, in a round about way, I guess, I was agreeing with you...don't buy the racial profiling argument
 
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I think that's ignoring all of the context.

  • ICE did things in other communities
  • People in Minneapolis perceived ICE's actions to have been unconstitutional
  • ICE comes to Minneapolis
  • People are pissed because of what ICE has already done and wants to protest
That makes perfect sense. I'm going to make a clear simile here. Let's say that there's a person who's done a whole lot of rape and murder. If he was going to come to your house, would you be like "well he hasn't raped and murdered my wife"?
yea but on the other side of the debate...using your four bullets..

bullet 5;
- ICE is in Florida and ICE is not doing what they are doing in Minneapolis (other than detaining and arresting illegal migrants)
- protests in Florida are not like protests in Minneapolis

on rape and murder example, I will agree. Although some might accuse us of profiling by not allowing a rapist into our homes....
 

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yea but on the other side of the debate...using your four bullets..

bullet 5;
- ICE is in Florida and ICE is not doing what they are doing in Minneapolis (other than detaining and arresting illegal migrants)
- protests in Florida are not like protests in Minneapolis

on rape and murder example, I will agree. Although some might accuse us of profiling by not allowing a rapist into our homes....

I don't think the fact that ICE isn't wrong 100% of the time undermines my point in any way. You don't agree with the protestors, that's fine. I'm just saying that it's rational.

I think the thing that gets people mad is profiling/judging based off of immutable characteristics. I've got no problem profiling and judging based on the choices that people have made and the actions they've taken.
 

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Ned, you have been posting all morning and have yet to be called a Nazi, racist, fascist , commie etc. This is a win for you
you know, other than JCarter who called me a Nazi one time, I have avoided the name calling. I think that's partially because I try very hard to to insult others. I really try to post and reply responsibly

I've been on the board more than usual last 2 days, just had a heart recorder implanted, so I'm on injured reserve for a couple of days. You guys are my entertainment