time to de escalate in mn

[baltimorened]

I personally think it's time to deescalate the situation in Minneapolis. ICE needs to move out and provide their services in other cities..there are more than enough illegal migrants to be deported in places that will support their work.

There needs to be an independent investigations of both the Good and Pretti shootings.

What Trump is trying to accomplish is backfiring on him, and as long as Minneapolis government doesn't support ICE work, the situation will just escalate. If Minneapolis wants to protect its "neighbors", so be it.

 

[TigerGrowls]

I personally think it's time to deescalate the situation in Minneapolis. ICE needs to move out and provide their services in other cities..there are more than enough illegal migrants to be deported in places that will support their work.

There needs to be an independent investigations of both the Good and Pretti shootings.

What Trump is trying to accomplish is backfiring on him, and as long as Minneapolis government doesn't support ICE work, the situation will just escalate. If Minneapolis wants to protect its "neighbors", so be it.

Should not and will not happen imo. The federal govt will not be run off by paid commie instigators. If they were to leave MN the plan would be copied all over the nation.

 

[baltimorened]

Should not and will not happen imo. The federal govt will not be run off by paid commie instigators. If they were to leave MN the plan would be copied all over the nation.

well, as I see it, Trump has limited choices. It's clear, to me at least, that he's losing the public affairs battle. The pretti killing evidence does not appear to be in line with what DHS is saying, and that will be a major negative for the administration. People support deportations of illegal migrants but not how ICE is going about it.

He's getting no help from MN officials, now there are more and more agitators moving into Minneapolis, and the situation, already somewhat out of control, is only getting worse.

Sometimes it's better to live to fight another day. There's a reason why even the military trains for a retreat.

 

[fatpiggy]

I personally think it's time to deescalate the situation in Minneapolis. ICE needs to move out and provide their services in other cities..there are more than enough illegal migrants to be deported in places that will support their work.

There needs to be an independent investigations of both the Good and Pretti shootings.

What Trump is trying to accomplish is backfiring on him, and as long as Minneapolis government doesn't support ICE work, the situation will just escalate. If Minneapolis wants to protect its "neighbors", so be it.

I’ll disagree.

the inmates are not in charge of the asylum. I think it’s time to double down and make sure Minnesotans understand federal supremacy and democracy.

We live in the land where majority rule, not the mob, and and we voted . We don’t reward petulant children. That’s how we end up with gender dysphoria and other delusions.

The Feds should crush antifa.

 

[tigres88]

I can't believe I bought into the lie my whole lives that Conservatives ACTUALLY believed in the right to bear arms against tyrannical governments, small government, and "dont tread on me" culture.

I guess I was duped

 

[scotchtiger]

People support deportations of illegal migrants but not how ICE is going about it.

This is the main point. I don’t think you withdraw entirely because that incentivizes this behavior. But it’s clear the approach is both wrong and politically unpopular. They need to pivot.

 

[FLaw47]

This is the main point. I don’t think you withdraw entirely because that incentivizes this behavior. But it’s clear the approach is both wrong and politically unpopular. They need to pivot.

Yep. I do not understand why this "never admit you were wrong, in fact double down" thing became so popular with the MAGA crowd. It's infantile and embarrassing.

 

[TigerGrowls]

well, as I see it, Trump has limited choices. It's clear, to me at least, that he's losing the public affairs battle. The pretti killing evidence does not appear to be in line with what DHS is saying, and that will be a major negative for the administration. People support deportations of illegal migrants but not how ICE is going about it.

He's getting no help from MN officials, now there are more and more agitators moving into Minneapolis, and the situation, already somewhat out of control, is only getting worse.

Sometimes it's better to live to fight another day. There's a reason why even the military trains for a retreat.

I think his clear choice is to have ICE finish the operations. None of what's occurred has lessened my support of Trump. Spur of the moment polls run with slanted questions and dubious percentile of democrats being polled cannot be trusted imo.

 

[ANEW]

I agree that things should be de-escalated.

Frey and Walz and dems need to end sancuary policies and encourage American citizens to support ICE trying to uphold federal law and direct state and local law enforcement to assist especially with crowd control etc. ICE could then accomplsh their mission without having to surge so many agents, many of which are there for crowd control etc. which should be done by local law enforcement (and wouldn't be necessary if not for the inflammatory rhetoric from dem politicians).

Pretty much look where there AREN'T sanctuary policies in place for an example of how this would work.

 

[ClemsonInAtlanta]

I’ll disagree.

the inmates are not in charge of the asylum. I think it’s time to double down and make sure Minnesotans understand federal supremacy and democracy.

We live in the land where majority rule, not the mob, and and we voted . We don’t reward petulant children. That’s how we end up with gender dysphoria and other delusions.

The Feds should crush antifa.

What happened to states rights? What happened to limiting the federal government? Oh wait, you have no morals and no real views outside of “I love daddy Trump and I hate liberals”

 

[ClemsonInAtlanta]

I think his clear choice is to have ICE finish the operations. None of what's occurred has lessened my support of Trump. Spur of the moment polls run with slanted questions and dubious percentile of democrats being polled cannot be trusted imo.

Trump was right when he said he could murder someone in cold blood in public and his supporters would never falter. How he has duped millions of people is certainly impressive. I guess marketing yourself as the savior of idiots has its rewards

 

[fatpiggy]

You don't cave to the mob. We are not a mob rule society. ICE is well within their rights to enforce the law. Well done Trump.

 

[Rastafarian]

I personally think it's time to deescalate the situation in Minneapolis. ICE needs to move out and provide their services in other cities..there are more than enough illegal migrants to be deported in places that will support their work.

There needs to be an independent investigations of both the Good and Pretti shootings.

What Trump is trying to accomplish is backfiring on him, and as long as Minneapolis government doesn't support ICE work, the situation will just escalate. If Minneapolis wants to protect its "neighbors", so be it.

Classic Ned. Mostly rational post and then drop in a turd if a comment in the end.

“as long as Minneapolis government doesn't support ICE work”.

No community supports the execution of legal observers. This isn’t a MN problem, this is the Nazis and regime shredding our constitutional rights.

Our country was founded on uprising against oppressive governments. If you don’t stand for that, then move your *** to Iran, North Korea, Russia where this **** has been happening for years.

GFY Ned.

 

[fatpiggy]

Classic Ned. Mostly rational post and then drop in a turd if a comment in the end.

“as long as Minneapolis government doesn't support ICE work”.

No community supports the execution of legal observers. This isn’t a MN problem, this is the Nazis and regime shredding our constitutional rights.

Our country was founded on uprising against oppressive governments. If you don’t stand for that, then move your *** to Iran, North Korea, Russia where this **** has been happening for years.

GFY Ned.

He was just a poor little "legal observer". Ridiculous.

 

[Rastafarian]

He was just a poor little "legal observer". Ridiculous.

He was a hero. Documenting the abuses of Nazis, which is his legal right. An innocent woman was shoved to the ground, so he helped her up. He was then unjustly attacked by Nazis.

They then murdered him because this administration doesn’t care about laws, they care about hijacking democracy. They are sent in to terrorize their political opponents in order to end free and fair elections, similar to what happened in Iraq, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, and other dictatorships.

if this was about removing illegals from this country, then why aren’t those resources in TX and FL where most of the illegals are?

 

[fatpiggy]

He was a hero. Documenting the abuses of Nazis, which is his legal right. An innocent woman was shoved to the ground, so he helped her up. He was then unjustly attacked by Nazis.

They then murdered him because this administration doesn’t care about laws, they care about hijacking democracy. They are sent in to terrorize their political opponents in order to end free and fair elections, similar to what happened in Iraq, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, and other dictatorships.

if this was about removing illegals from this country, then why aren’t those resources in TX and FL where most of the illegals are?

He was a hero just like George Floyd.

He can document and that was well within his rights. But the story doesn't start or end there and you know that.

 

[Rastafarian]

He was a hero just like George Floyd.

He can document and that was well within his rights. But the story doesn't start or end there and you know that.

I don’t consider George Floyd a hero, just a tragedy. Though in his death, MN did reform many of its policies leading to a safer and more collaborative community.

It is not illegal to help another human being who is being brutalized by Nazis. He simply helped her stand up while excessive force was being used.

This was a good man who dedicated his life to helping others. It’s a shame he was lost due to the tyrannical ambitions of this administration.

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

He was a little b!tch protesting ICE doing their jobs of ridding rapist and pedophiles

liberals are disgusting pieces of **** and the enemy of this country

 

[fatpiggy]

I don’t consider George Floyd a hero, just a tragedy. Though in his death, MN did reform many of its policies leading to a safer and more collaborative community.

It is not illegal to help another human being who is being brutalized by Nazis. He simply helped her stand up while excessive force was being used.

This was a good man who dedicated his life to helping others. It’s a shame he was lost due to the tyrannical ambitions of this administration.

That may all be true, but none of that changes his right to interfere and resist. He doesn't do that and he is still breathing today. Let ICE do the job we elected them to do. You don't get to interfere because you don't like it. That's not how this works. We vote on these things in this society.

 

[tigres88]

That may all be true, but none of that changes his right to interfere and resist. He doesn't do that and he is still breathing today. Let ICE do the job we elected them to do. You don't get to interfere because you don't like it. That's not how this works. We vote on these things in this society.

If the federal government oversteps, as they are doing here, its our American right to resist. That is how it works

 

[scotchtiger]

Yep. I do not understand why this "never admit you were wrong, in fact double down" thing became so popular with the MAGA crowd. It's infantile and embarrassing.

Agreed.

 

[Rastafarian]

That may all be true, but none of that changes his right to interfere and resist. He doesn't do that and he is still breathing today. Let ICE do the job we elected them to do. You don't get to interfere because you don't like it. That's not how this works. We vote on these things in this society.

No one elected ice to illegally detain US citizens, brutalize protestors, and use lethal force against unarmed citizens.

It is not his job to comply with illegal orders. It is the job of the government to respect our civil rights. That has not happened with ice.

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

 

[fatpiggy]

No one elected ice to illegally detain US citizens, brutalize protestors, and use lethal force against unarmed citizens.

It is not his job to comply with illegal orders. It is the job of the government to respect our civil rights. That has not happened with ice.

Trump ran on the "largest deportation force in US history." He absolutely ran on it and he let everyone know it.

 

[fatpiggy]

And sorry dude, you have no right to interfere with ICE. He is a narcissist for thinking as much. He is essentially saying that his feelings trump democracy that millions of people voted on. Get fvcked.

 

[Rastafarian]

Trump ran on the "largest deportation for in US history." He absolutely ran on it and he let everyone know it.

Then why aren’t ice resources in those states with the most illegal immigrants? Why aren’t Texas and Florida seeing this surge?

I’ll answer for you - because this regime doesn’t view those states as political enemies that can strip their power away. Ice isn’t about deportation, it’s about authoritarianism.

 

[fatpiggy]

Then why aren’t ice resources in those states with the most illegal immigrants? Why aren’t Texas and Florida seeing this surge?

I’ll answer for you - because this regime doesn’t view those states as political enemies that can strip their power away. Ice isn’t about deportation, it’s about authoritarianism.

There is no obligation to be in states with the most illegal immigrants. The people who win the election get to decide how the laws are enforced. The number of illegals in MN is almost irrelevant.

 

[FLaw47]

And sorry dude, you have no right to interfere with ICE. He is a narcissist for thinking as much. He is essentially saying that his feelings trump democracy that millions of people voted on. Get fvcked.

As a thought experiment, is there anything an ICE agent could do to someone for which you'd approve a civilian interfering? Or is it literally limitless?

 

[Rastafarian]

There is no obligation to be in states with the most illegal immigrants. The people who win the election get to decide how the laws are enforced. The number of illegals in MN is almost irrelevant.

Then your argument of “this is what people voted for” is not applicable. They are not focused on removing illegals, they are focused on terrorizing blue cities in blue states.

What you are saying is akin to “the people voted for lower taxes”, and then having the admin only lower taxes for the wealthiest .0001%.

 

[fatpiggy]

Then your argument of “this is what people voted for” is not applicable. They are not focused on removing illegals, they are focused on terrorizing blue cities in blue states.

What you are saying is akin to “the people voted for lower taxes”, and then having the admin only lower taxes for the wealthiest .0001%.

How they go about the job is of no matter. They are well within their rights. Literally why we have elections.

 

[fatpiggy]

As a thought experiment, is there anything an ICE agent could do to someone for which you'd approve a civilian interfering? Or is it literally limitless?

They are the same as a policeman to me. I've had several interactions with police in my life and amazingly im still alive.

 

[baltimorened]

Classic Ned. Mostly rational post and then drop in a turd if a comment in the end.

“as long as Minneapolis government doesn't support ICE work”.

No community supports the execution of legal observers. This isn’t a MN problem, this is the Nazis and regime shredding our constitutional rights.

Our country was founded on uprising against oppressive governments. If you don’t stand for that, then move your *** to Iran, North Korea, Russia where this **** has been happening for years.

GFY Ned.

not a turd at all. If you look at places where ICE and local governments are cooperating, these kinds of problems do not exist.

Our country was also founded on obeying laws. Immigration law applies throughout the USA. Minnesota is not exempt.

 

[baltimorened]

He was a hero. Documenting the abuses of Nazis, which is his legal right. An innocent woman was shoved to the ground, so he helped her up. He was then unjustly attacked by Nazis.

They then murdered him because this administration doesn’t care about laws, they care about hijacking democracy. They are sent in to terrorize their political opponents in order to end free and fair elections, similar to what happened in Iraq, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, and other dictatorships.

if this was about removing illegals from this country, then why aren’t those resources in TX and FL where most of the illegals are?

I can't speak for Texas, I live in Florida, and ICE agents are here. Big difference is that our elected leaders and sheriffs have made it clear that interference will not be accepted. We have protesters, but they are not in the face of ICE agents, throwing things, or blocking streets. And, guess what, we have had no killings, just ICE doing its job

 

[fatpiggy]

Then your argument of “this is what people voted for” is not applicable. They are not focused on removing illegals, they are focused on terrorizing blue cities in blue states.

What you are saying is akin to “the people voted for lower taxes”, and then having the admin only lower taxes for the wealthiest .0001%.

No protesters were killed when George Bush said "Read my lips, no new taxes" and then proceeded to raise taxes.

No protesters were killed when Obama said "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." and then proceeded to make them change doctors.

Newsflash, politicians don't always do what they said they would do AND they are well within their rights to do so.

 

[MTTiger19]

Then why aren’t ice resources in those states with the most illegal immigrants? Why aren’t Texas and Florida seeing this surge?

I’ll answer for you - because this regime doesn’t view those states as political enemies that can strip their power away. Ice isn’t about deportation, it’s about authoritarianism.

This is just pure nonsense. How many illegals have been arrested in MN?? As I posted earlier over 1500 were arrested in Houston alone over a 10 day operation. You are either clueless or lying. They’ve conducted huge operations in Texas Florida Georgia Kansas Missouri among others. The difference is those states don’t have psychotic governors pulling police and inciting violence.

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

I can't speak for Texas, I live in Florida, and ICE agents are here. Big difference is that our elected leaders and sheriffs have made it clear that interference will not be accepted. We have protesters, but they are not in the face of ICE agents, throwing things, or blocking streets. And, guess what, we have had no killings, just ICE doing its job

To be fair, your state isn’t in the middle of a huge fraud scandal

 

[ANEW]

I've had several interactions with police in my life and amazingly im still alive.

Holy sh*t, you too? I've had a few of them while i was armed. I've walked by them. never got shot. I waved at one one time and said, "hi" ... and still nothign. A couple other times when stopped on the highway, after I said "i have a gun and it's located.. here... what do you want me to do?" (while presenting multiple forms of ID and my carry permit), both times, scarily, they told me, "thanks. don't reach for yours and i won't reach for mine" to which i said, "ok, sounds like a plan". Strangely I made it out alive.

Glad to know that there is one other person in this country as lucky as me.

 

[Moogy]

You don't cave to the mob. We are not a mob rule society. ICE is well within their rights to enforce the law. Well done Trump.

Trump is trying to run the country like THE mob. Threats, intimidation, violence ... against his own citizens. He IS the mob so ... yes, don't cave to him.

That may all be true, but none of that changes his right to interfere and resist. He doesn't do that and he is still breathing today. Let ICE do the job we elected them to do. You don't get to interfere because you don't like it. That's not how this works. We vote on these things in this society.

The government serves us, at our discretion. If it oversteps its authority, we have a right to call them on it and rein them in. We also have the right to observe them interacting with the residents of this country in public spaces.

This nurse also had the right to administer aid to a woman who was just abused by ICE ... shoved to the ground for no reason and maced at point blank range for an unreasonably long period of time.

Don't worry, Nazis ... karma is coming for you.

 

[ClemsonInAtlanta]

He was a hero just like George Floyd.

He can document and that was well within his rights. But the story doesn't start or end there and you know that.

You defending cold blooded murder is so on brand. You have no limit of moral depravity and cognitive dissonance. You are a domestic terrorist

 

[fatpiggy]

This is just pure nonsense. How many illegals have been arrested in MN?? As I posted earlier over 1500 were arrested in Houston alone over a 10 day operation. You are either clueless or lying. They’ve conducted huge operations in Texas Florida Georgia Kansas Missouri among others. The difference is those states don’t have psychotic governors pulling police and inciting violence.

The funny thing is that the MN arrests have been very productive, but it is still irrelevant to the conversation. Productive or not, ICE has the legal right to operate there.