Venezuela Operation Underway

1Clemson

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You didn't answer the question directly but you seem to be saying that we should do nothing and hope things turn out ok.

In counterpoint to what you did post, none of the countries you reference (Ukraine, Georgia, Slovakia, Poland, Lithuania, etc) have opening stated that they want to take over other countries. Russia has stated they want the USSR back and China is actively pursuing the 100-years war.
And we rely on the Monroe Doctrine to change governments we don’t like—- same argument, different vehicle. As for a path forward? As I said in earlier post, there is no simple answer, those that celebrate today need to remember that when it bogs down later. The tightening of shipping was a positive step- cut off the flow of funds— not sure about the attack rather than capture modus. I would hope that our State Dept to isolate him from his allies and CIA have been working with opposition groups and funding them, but that was probably a victim of DOGE. Money and intelligence to counter a tyrant. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
 

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The substance was discovered on a Sunday evening, over the July 4th holiday weekend. President Joe Biden and his family, including Hunter Biden, were at Camp David at the time and had not been in the White House since the previous Friday evening.
That’s not true. I know for a fact that his family was at the house
 
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I would think a reasonably intelligent individual would be able to deduce what my answers would be to your questions, which I didn't think even warranted a response, as they were non-serious.

But, here ...



"OK"? Define "OK." "OK" meaning it's preferred? No. "OK" as in not being OK requires immediate military intervention? Yes. It is what it is. Countries we don't like will have allies, countries they do business with, etc. It happens. We don't destroy any country that talks to a country we don't like.


This is a silly "what if" because there's no indication anything like this was on the table, even in the longer term. But, just for poops and giggles, I'd say, it depends on what else is happening and what actually led up to it. Far too speculative a hypothetical situation to give specific actions and reactions. We can't just go around taking over every country that might eventually have Chinese missiles in it. We may as well just take over every country. Wouldn't that be just peachy keen?




I already addressed the overly speculative nature of this line of questioning, so there's not much to say here ... I'm going to assume we would have done things - diplomatically, economically, militarily - before that happened that would shed better light on next steps there. But, again, this is silly ... from where we're at, to then jump to "Chinese missiles in Venezuela." You can justify all sorts of evil with that line of thinking. As someone else said ... this is Putin-level dictator crap ... probably worse, since there's such a small connection/possibility here. It's insane that this is happening at the whim of an American president. More insane folks like you support it. Did you ever think you'd become a Nazi/fascist? Do you not realize that's what you are?



So, one country floating a balloon justifies taking over a completely separate country? What was the president supposed to do? You have no logical connections here, so it's impossible to speak on this, logically.
We can certainly agree to disagree however I think your view is myopic and doesn't factor in the concept that Russia and China have openly stated they want to topple the US as the world power and economic engine.

I also enjoy your opening sentence where you continue attacking me by questioning my intelligence. Sad that you can't debate something openly and accept there are different ways to view a topic.
 

dpic73

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That’s not true. I know for a fact that his family was at the house
Well can you explain why the president's son would need to hide a dime bag in a locker at the VISITORS entry?

The Biden family was not in the White House when the cocaine was found on July 2, 2023; they were at the presidential retreat Camp David in Maryland for the holiday weekend. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...ht-members-cocaine-found-white-hous-rcna94045

The cocaine was discovered in a storage cubby near a West Wing entrance where visitors are instructed to leave their cell phones, a highly trafficked area accessible to hundreds of staff and visitors. The Secret Service concluded its investigation into the incident due to a lack of physical evidence (insufficient fingerprints and DNA) and usable surveillance footage to identify a suspect. https://www.secretservice.gov/newsr...:text=2023-07-13,was not biological in nature.
 
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And we rely on the Monroe Doctrine to change governments we don’t like—- same argument, different vehicle. As for a path forward? As I said in earlier post, there is no simple answer, those that celebrate today need to remember that when it bogs down later. The tightening of shipping was a positive step- cut off the flow of funds— not sure about the attack rather than capture modus. I would hope that our State Dept to isolate him from his allies and CIA have been working with opposition groups and funding them, but that was probably a victim of DOGE. Money and intelligence to counter a tyrant. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
I appreciate a reasonable response. I still feel there is a distinct difference between Russia/China's stated goals and what drove the president to take the action today.
 

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Sadly just when a pro America President leaves office, all they have done for America will be replaced by someone for everybody else! It will be a one step forward and two steps back deal!!
That's exactly what will happen. Hell Biden's whole term was based on "undoing" everything Trump had accomplished in his first term even if it was to the detriment of America and her people.

That being said, I love removing illegal immigrants and blowing up drug boats headed to our country but I'm not sure I'm on board with invading another country and grabbing their President and his wife in the middle of the night. We have too much crap that needs to be fixed within our own country that should be getting Trump's full attention.
 

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MSM has both the explicit(govt funded plants) and implicit(fear of reporting on real stories typically for access) bias.

We can at least bankrupt them by quit watching. It’s why I “hate” them more. We can “control” them. The govt requires a whole other program.
The only time I see MSM is when I visit clients homes. As for the establishment it only requires the people to stop paying taxes. As long as we can get 60-70% involved the system will collapse within weeks. Everyone emptying their bank accounts will do the same.
 
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I appreciate a reasonable response. I still feel there is a distinct difference between Russia/China's stated goals and what drove the president to take the action today.
I tend to think keeping China at bay was a major factor in Venezuela. Hope that it works, but the comments coming out of South America aren't 'thank God you saved us' more 'need restraint and violating sovereignty'. If that is the real position in those countries, we may have just made it easier for China- after all they just want to buy everything and establish influence, the US wants to dictate how they run their country.

Keeping us at bay is what drives both Chinese and Russian policy- creating and maintaining that safety belt.
 
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I’ll never understand the mental gymnastics MAGAs twist themselves into wrt “respect” on the world stage. There are numerous videos of world leaders openly laughing and mocking Trump.

If anything, world leaders know to treat Trump like a child - just offer small praise periodically - and he’ll give you what you want.
There is at least one "world" leader not laughing right now. I doubt he has respect for Trump but is in fear as justice is coming for him soon. He is about to get the "Pineapple Face" treatment. As for the rest of the world they can laugh at "Daddy" all they want as long as they fear us and do as told.

Pax Americana is back.
 
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8 years of JD hopefully
Well the problem with Trump accomplishing a great deal while acting like a complete buffoon half the time is that it hurts the chances of us being able to continue his "America first" agenda with JD after Trump's current term is over.

If the White House and Congress go back to Democrat control, the new President will pull a Biden and sign a stack of executive orders on day one that repeals everything that Trump accomplished that is good for the American people.

Trump still hasn't learned that sometimes you just have to play the long game when it comes to politics if you really care about the long term well being of the country. He needs to speak softly while carrying that big stick instead of talking about how wonderfully big that stick is, the fact it's the best stick in the history of the world and he intends to bust the opposition over the head with it.
 
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There is at least one "world" leader not laughing right now. I doubt he has respect for Trump but is in fear as justice is coming for him soon. He is about to get the "Pineapple Face" treatment. As for the rest of the world they can laugh at "Daddy" all they want as long as they fear us and do as told.

Pax Americana is back.
This is such a weird statement for someone who's middle aged. You guys and your hero worship of Trump is so ******* weird
 

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The substance was discovered on a Sunday evening, over the July 4th holiday weekend. President Joe Biden and his family, including Hunter Biden, were at Camp David at the time and had not been in the White House since the previous Friday evening.
YEAH that's what they say, regardless he pardoned his crack headed son! who then threw his dad under the bus lmao!
 

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Much worse. This is just a blatant violation of everything in international law in a blatant abuse of his now-assumed dictatorial powers. In the past, there were at least reasonable attempts to justify actions, even if they were a pretense.

This is insane.

And the thing is, MAGAts have zero integrity ... zero moral compass ... they're just cultists, so even though they originally tried to pretend they cared about "America first" and didn't want to get US forces involved in international disputes/wars ... they'll now just tout whatever positive they can desperately try to spin from this. "Taking over the world is America first!"

They tried provoking Venezuela with their faked up drug boat bombings, and that didn't work ... so they just said "we'll take it, anyway ... we want oil."

Absolute tyrannical insanity.

No one stopped Hitler ... hopefully they can stop this psycho.
Liberal tears aren't salty, just sour. Liberal women and their pearl clutching got us to where we are as a nation. About time real men took it back.
 
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This has nothing to do with the war on drugs. This is taking control of our hemisphere. War on drugs is a front. We’re kicking China out. Biden let this **** go…
Bidet couldn't even control his own bowels. Whoever propped that POS up should be in prison. He/they (autopen) did everything in their power to **** this country into oblivion.
 

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We can certainly agree to disagree however I think your view is myopic and doesn't factor in the concept that Russia and China have openly stated they want to topple the US as the world power and economic engine.

I also enjoy your opening sentence where you continue attacking me by questioning my intelligence. Sad that you can't debate something openly and accept there are different ways to view a topic.
If you have to focus on "you're being a meanie," you have nothing.

Note, in my initial reply, I actually did opine substantively on the topic ... and you refused to do the same ... simply saying "you hurt my feelings and didn't answer my questions." Then, I went through and answered every single question. And, what do I get back in return? "You hurt my feelings" and some short gibberish about, again, the fact that China and Russia don't like us that this supposedly justifies taking over any country that doesn't hate them.

Which is absolutely insane. And exactly what the MAGAts are supposed to stand against. Yet, now, they've embraced it. Because they must back the Fuhrer.
 

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If you have to focus on "you're being a meanie," you have nothing.

Note, in my initial reply, I actually did opine substantively on the topic ... and you refused to do the same ... simply saying "you hurt my feelings and didn't answer my questions." Then, I went through and answered every single question. And, what do I get back in return? "You hurt my feelings" and some short gibberish about, again, the fact that China and Russia don't like us that this supposedly justifies taking over any country that doesn't hate them.

Which is absolutely insane. And exactly what the MAGAts are supposed to stand against. Yet, now, they've embraced it. Because they must back the Fuhrer.
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So, our President should now be able to just unilaterally depose whichever world leaders he wants, if some people in that country would be happy about it? That's our new fascist edict?
You damn right it is!

Signed, Jimbob the fascist, racist, sexist, homophobe, islamophobe, xenophobe, or whatever other kind of ‘ist’ or ‘phobe’ you libtards wanna call me 😂
 
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This is such a weird statement for someone who's middle aged. You guys and your hero worship of Trump is so ******* weird
If mid 50s is middle age? But let me make it clear. I do NOT worship Trump. I think he is a cad and a boor. And I am NOT an isolationist nor a neocon. MAGA for me is Pax Americana. I do not like Tucker Carlson. I do not like the Pat Buchanan wing of the party. I am a Reaganite. When Trump does things i like I will support it.

Now let me explain why I support this.
Iran, China and Russia have been forming an alliance with Maduro.
He is s socialist
Venezuela has lots of oil, can affect the price of oil and undermine US policy.
Maduro was hinting at invading Guyana .
Oh Yeah and drugs LOL.

Now what do I criticize?
Its long past time to cut Putin's nvts off.
EU and Canada need to be punished somehow and severely for violations of free speech. Its a threat to "democracy" world wide.
Woke needs to be hammered harder here as well.
We need boots on the ground in Taiwan NOW and to expedite arming them to the teeth.
If we strike Iran again we need to target the Majlis, top Imams and the Ayatollah directly.
 

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If mid 50s is middle age? But let me make it clear. I do NOT worship Trump. I think he is a cad and a boor. And I am NOT an isolationist nor a neocon. MAGA for me is Pax Americana. I do not like Tucker Carlson. I do not like the Pat Buchanan wing of the party. I am a Reaganite. When Trump does things i like I will support it.

Now let me explain why I support this.
Iran, China and Russia have been forming an alliance with Maduro.
He is s socialist
Venezuela has lots of oil, can affect the price of oil and undermine US policy.
Maduro was hinting at invading Guyana .
Oh Yeah and drugs LOL.

Now what do I criticize?
Its long past time to cut Putin's nvts off.
EU and Canada need to be punished somehow and severely for violations of free speech. Its a threat to "democracy" world wide.
Woke needs to be hammered harder here as well.
We need boots on the ground in Taiwan NOW and to expedite arming them to the teeth.
If we strike Iran again we need to target the Majlis, top Imams and the Ayatollah directly.
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If mid 50s is middle age? But let me make it clear. I do NOT worship Trump. I think he is a cad and a boor. And I am NOT an isolationist nor a neocon. MAGA for me is Pax Americana. I do not like Tucker Carlson. I do not like the Pat Buchanan wing of the party. I am a Reaganite. When Trump does things i like I will support it.

Now let me explain why I support this.
Iran, China and Russia have been forming an alliance with Maduro.
He is s socialist
Venezuela has lots of oil, can affect the price of oil and undermine US policy.
Maduro was hinting at invading Guyana .
Oh Yeah and drugs LOL.

Now what do I criticize?
Its long past time to cut Putin's nvts off.
EU and Canada need to be punished somehow and severely for violations of free speech. Its a threat to "democracy" world wide.
Woke needs to be hammered harder here as well.
We need boots on the ground in Taiwan NOW and to expedite arming them to the teeth.
If we strike Iran again we need to target the Majlis, top Imams and the Ayatollah directly.

So, you want a World War. Got it. So does your Fuhrer.
 

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You damn right it is!

Signed, Jimbob the fascist, racist, sexist, homophobe, islamophobe, xenophobe, or whatever other kind of ‘ist’ or ‘phobe’ you libtards wanna call me 😂

Some Nazis were enthusiastic Nazis. They thought they were doing the right thing. Some Nazis were hesitant Nazis - they agreed with some stuff and were willing to overlook the bad stuff to get what they wanted. Some Nazis were reluctant Nazis - they just went along with it for fear of reprisal if they didn't.

Glad to see you're at least out in the open in being a loud and proud Nazi, willing to back your Fuhrer no matter what he says or does.

If, tomorrow, he told you to cut off your wiener and open the gates to let all immigrants in at their leisure, you'd be shouting from the mountaintop, wienerless, "come on in, immigrants!"

You're a con man's b!tch. And he despises you.
 

jimbob1019

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Some Nazis were enthusiastic Nazis. They thought they were doing the right thing. Some Nazis were hesitant Nazis - they agreed with some stuff and were willing to overlook the bad stuff to get what they wanted. Some Nazis were reluctant Nazis - they just went along with it for fear of reprisal if they didn't.

Glad to see you're at least out in the open in being a loud and proud Nazi, willing to back your Fuhrer no matter what he says or does.

If, tomorrow, he told you to cut off your wiener and open the gates to let all immigrants in at their leisure, you'd be shouting from the mountaintop, wienerless, "come on in, immigrants!"

You're a con man's b!tch. And he despises you.
Ok libbie 😂
 

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Hypocrisy is the practice of claiming to have moral standards, beliefs, or feelings to which one's own behavior does not conform. It involves a pretense of virtue or sincerity while acting in a way that contradicts those stated values.
 

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I don’t necessarily trust him nor any president but I have to just assume he’s the only person who’s been briefed on everything. I have to trust he’s doing what’s best and making the right decisions. Doesn’t he mean he will and it’s fair to criticize when he doesn’t.

But man I’m always hoping it’s for the better. I don’t have a flag plated on a side. I’m just an American father hoping for a better future.

FTR, nobody is always wrong and nobody is always right. I firmly believe that.
Sorry you’re infected the same affliction.
rational, logical, problem solving
 
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Well can you explain why the president's son would need to hide a dime bag in a locker at the VISITORS entry?

The Biden family was not in the White House when the cocaine was found on July 2, 2023; they were at the presidential retreat Camp David in Maryland for the holiday weekend. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...ht-members-cocaine-found-white-hous-rcna94045

The cocaine was discovered in a storage cubby near a West Wing entrance where visitors are instructed to leave their cell phones, a highly trafficked area accessible to hundreds of staff and visitors. The Secret Service concluded its investigation into the incident due to a lack of physical evidence (insufficient fingerprints and DNA) and usable surveillance footage to identify a suspect. https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2023/07/official-statement-investigation-substance-found-white-house#:~:text=2023-07-13,was not biological in nature.
My cousin was at the White House on July 4 and watched the fireworks with Biden family