We must fire Pike or the program is doomed

[biazza38]

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CCSU has been a tourny team the last 2 years - and already has an ACC win this year. Yes, Rutgers played terrible. But it’s not as bad a loss as some suggest, I don’t think

I think pikiell will get this team to improve as the year goes on.

Just stop
I tried being reasonable with you but you’re trying to downplay a 13 point loss to an NEC team that we were a 15 point favorite against.
And no they didn’t make the tournament the last 2 years. They lost to Saint Francis in the conference final last year and lost in the semi the year before.
Oh wow, they beat Boston College, a team that went 12-19 last year. They also lost to Quinnipiac by 22.

 

[Mikemarc]

Just stop
I tried being reasonable with you but you’re trying to downplay a 13 point loss to an NEC team that we were a 15 point favorite against.
And no they didn’t make the tournament the last 2 years. They lost to Saint Francis in the conference final last year and lost in the semi the year before.
Oh wow, they beat Boston College, a team that went 12-19 last year. They also lost to Quinnipiac by 22.

my fault. I saw they were conference champions the last two years - I figured that meant tournament champs but was regular season champs. My fault, there!


And no, I’m not downplaying it, terrible loss. But pikielks teams have had terrible losses in the past, only to recover later in the season with fantastic wins and tourny trips. Let’s hope this happens again!

 

[Mholinko]

Obviously pitino hasn’t been at sju as long as pikiell has been at ru - but both pike and pitino’s best seasons have ended in the round of 32. So it’s not like pitino has been much better

I mean you gotta be a troll right? Respectfully. Pitino has been there 2 seasons and won a regular season and conference tournament title and a 2 seed

everyone knows the tournament is about matchups and truthfully I don’t kill pike for the tournament … I kill him for not getting back to the tournament

 

[Mikemarc]

I mean you gotta be a troll right? Respectfully. Pitino has been there 2 seasons and won a regular season and conference tournament title and a 2 seed

everyone knows the tournament is about matchups and truthfully I don’t kill pike for the tournament … I kill him for not getting back to the tournament

not trolling. Pitinos best season and pikiell best season ended at the same time. That’s all I’m saying. And that’s really all that matters.

 

[RUDivision]

NIL. The roster was a joke last year. 2 freshman aren’t carrying any team. Duke had 2 freshman PLUS 4-5 other NBA players on the roster.

No NIL wasn’t the issue last night. It was one game where they played bad. This roster isn’t good enough to have a bad night and still win. Guys missing layups and not playing hard was the issue last night. Going 5-20 from 3 was also a major issue. The players were settling for bad shots and missing the easy ones. The team needed to get aggressive and get to the basket. When things go are not going well, you get to the basket and good things happen.

The freshman played hardest last night. That’s a major issue. We have 1 experienced player (J Mike) who plays hard every time on the court.

Firing Pike and hiring someone new is just going to make the problem worse. Fix the NIL and if Pike can’t win with a real roster then get rid him. Personally, my season outlook hasn’t changed. This team will still win 13-15 games.

To be clear… this loss is on Pike. Every loss is on the coach. They played with low effort and were not ready. That can’t happen. Every coach has games where the team does not show up. It’s the coaches job to prevent that as much as possible but it happens to every coach.

It was a joke but who forced him to pay Martini and the rest of misfit toys? He had money and spent it poorly. Ok so we were not Duke. Agreed!

However he can’t find a way to even sniff a post season tournament or not look like a laughing stock ?

 

[biochemist001]

so it’s absurd to compare our worst losses but not ok to compare our best wins? I don’t get that logic

Um, no. I took what you wrote as Schiano doesn't have anywhere near as many wins as Pikiell.

 

[bac2therac]

The rac hasnt been a hard place to play for 3 years

 

[Mikemarc]

The rac hasnt been a hard place to play for 3 years

If you ask coaches - it sure is.

 

[needmorecowbell]

It was a joke but who forced him to pay Martini and the rest of misfit toys? He had money and spent it poorly. Ok so we were not Duke. Agreed!

However he can’t find a way to even sniff a post season tournament or not look like a laughing stock ?

Ultimately it didn’t work out. The budget was very small but he added guys that didn’t fit well. Martini was brought in (for very little $$) to make 3’s and the team never moved the ball to get him shots. Princeton moved the ball and Martini got great looks. Offense was not the issue though. The whole team also refused to played defense, which was the really confusing part. I think it came down to guys not buying in.

 

[Dowling's Revenge]

NIL. The roster was a joke last year. 2 freshman aren’t carrying any team. Duke had 2 freshman PLUS 4-5 other NBA players on the roster.

No NIL wasn’t the issue last night. It was one game where they played bad. This roster isn’t good enough to have a bad night and still win. Guys missing layups and not playing hard was the issue last night. Going 5-20 from 3 was also a major issue. The players were settling for bad shots and missing the easy ones. The team needed to get aggressive and get to the basket. When things go are not going well, you get to the basket and good things happen.

The freshman played hardest last night. That’s a major issue. We have 1 experienced player (J Mike) who plays hard every time on the court.

Firing Pike and hiring someone new is just going to make the problem worse. Fix the NIL and if Pike can’t win with a real roster then get rid him. Personally, my season outlook hasn’t changed. This team will still win 13-15 games.

To be clear… this loss is on Pike. Every loss is on the coach. They played with low effort and were not ready. That can’t happen. Every coach has games where the team does not show up. It’s the coaches job to prevent that as much as possible but it happens to every coach.

it was not one game. that's the thing... losing a wtf buy game to a mid major in college basketball is not the biggest deal in the world it happens all the time. but that's not what last night was. last night was the revelation of the true talent level of this roster, confirmed by our struggles in every single buy game so far this season

 

[needmorecowbell]

it was not one game. that's the thing... losing a wtf buy game to a mid major in college basketball is not the biggest deal in the world it happens all the time. but that's not what last night was.

It was one game. What else are you referring to?

 

[Mholinko]

If you ask coaches - it sure is.

Coach speak

 

[Dowling's Revenge]

It was one game. What else are you referring to?

It was one game. What else are you referring to?

last night was the revelation of the true talent level of this roster, confirmed by our struggles in every single buy game so far this season

 

[needmorecowbell]

last night was the revelation of the true talent level of this roster, confirmed by our struggles in every single buy game so far this season

I wouldn’t call those games a struggle but you are entitled to your opinion. None of those games were close near the end. RU did give up some late points in all of those games but the wins were sealed.

 

[King of S]

How much money do we lose is the RAC is half full or worse? Parking?

RAC has not been sold out this year. Bogus numbers as usual from the ticket department.

 

[King of S]

ok. I disagree. I’d rather see how the season progresses first.

and by the way - pikiell teams have had bad ooc losses like this almost every season. And many have gone on to very successful seasons.

I have a feeling we will get a win or two in Vegas and morale will be better in a week

Keep dreaming

 

[Mholinko]

I wouldn’t call those games a struggle but you are entitled to your opinion. None of those games were close near the end. RU did give up some late points in all of those games but the wins were sealed.

The largest lead in either game was 12 and we spent large portions of both Lehigh and American without scoring in the second half and single possession games later than they should be

peoples interpretation of what a comfortable win and what a solid large conference team with actual hope to win should look like is so warped it’s insane… I feel for the Rutgers fans so beaten down by failure that we look at a box score and ignore the opponent and forget how the game looked and just say hey we won!

every game leading up to this have at least one or multiple warning signs that lead to this

How do you truly expect they’ll perform in the next 5 games 3 in Vegas and 2 big ten games … if you truly had to stamp a prediction

anybody saying better than 0-5 or 1-4 as a prediction is hopelessly optimistic

 

[needmorecowbell]

The largest lead in either game was 12 and we spent large portions of both Lehigh and American without scoring in the second half and single possession games later than they should be

peoples interpretation of what a comfortable win and what a solid large conference team with actual hope to win should look like is so warped it’s insane… I feel for the Rutgers fans so beaten down by failure that we look at a box score and ignore the opponent and forget how the game looked and just say hey we won!

every game leading up to this have at least one or multiple warning signs that lead to this

How do you truly expect they’ll perform in the next 5 games 3 in Vegas and 2 big ten games … if you truly had to stamp a prediction

anybody saying better than 0-5 or 1-4 as a prediction is hopelessly optimistic

First of all he said all of the games. Rider was not close. RU had an 18 point lead vs Maine before they hit a few 3’s with a minute left. Lehigh was tight for some of the game but they had a 10 point lead with 2:40 on the clock. Even American, they were down big, they had multiple double digit leads in the second half. They took care of all of those teams while rotating 11-12 players in. None of those games were in real question late. Also I never said comfortable. I just said all 4 games weren’t a struggle.

 

[rpiseman]

I love pike and will always be grateful for what he did for the program, but I don’t think his style works in the NIL era of college sports. I HATE what NIL has done to college sports. It’s going to end pike’s career

Guy is a disgrace, the way he squandered last year is unforgivable

 

[Bob Chaewsky_rivals]

St Johns didnt just get good based on NIL implosion...they have a TOP TIER coach....BIG Difference!

NIL matters for sure, but the truth is that GS teaches solid fundamentals at every position. SP doesn't stress any offensive fundamentals, and if he does just tell me what they are. The players with solid fundamentals learned them from someone else (ie. Cam Spencer). We don't set solid screens and we don't really use them. We don't jump stop, almost never head and shoulder fake, and we're a consistently bad foul shooting team. Kids come here with the reputation of being a great shooter and leave here as average shooters or worse, with few exceptions.

 

[Bob Chaewsky_rivals]

Obviously pitino hasn’t been at sju as long as pikiell has been at ru - but both pike and pitino’s best seasons have ended in the round of 32. So it’s not like pitino has been much better.

But how about before SJU. Really, comparing Pike to Pitino is beyond absurd.

 

[Mikemarc]

But how about before SJU. Really, comparing Pike to Pitino is beyond absurd.

I’m just comparing their best seasons at their most recent stops. Both of their best seasons are losses in round of 32.

 

[RutgersClassof2004]

We are so good this year our players were overlooking CCS for Vegas lol...Pike has taken his lousy pressers to a new level

 

[knightfan7]

I think he’s gone at the end of the season if not beforehand. The show is just starting and will be full blown dysentery as the calendar turns to a new year.

Don't need to wait that long. Try this coming week.

 

[RU#1fan]

Get used to it, the program is doomed for one more year after this abomination concludes.

Thanks Hobbs, the gift that keeps on giving.

I’ve been saying this for a long time and now with Schiano.
Two Coaches who have no business being in the B1G.
Hobbs , the Gift that keeps giving.

 

[Bob Chaewsky_rivals]

Assuming we only draw 5K fans per game vs 8K, and 3 people per car. 1,000 cars $30/each is $30,000/game. Not a ton of money compared to his buyout

The Boardwalk. local business, food concessions, Rutgers gear?

 

[RUDivision]

But how about before SJU. Really, comparing Pike to Pitino is beyond absurd.

Agreed! Pike can not even carry Pitinos shoes into the gym. Could have had Rick on the cheap but Hobbs handed out an absurd extension early.

I believe Steve and Greg knew what Hobbs was doing and used it as leverage for their extension.

 

[FIJI'83]

The rac hasnt been a hard place to play for 3 years

 

[needmorecowbell]

Guy is a disgrace, the way he squandered last year is unforgivable

You have a real high opinion of what guys not named Ace and Dylan?

 

[needmorecowbell]

St Johns didnt just get good based on NIL implosion...they have a TOP TIER coach....BIG Difference!

lol. St John’s has one of the biggest NIL funds. Pitino is good but he’s not winning without NIL. Sorry.

 

[Loyal-Son]

Agreed! Pike can not even carry Pitinos shoes into the gym. Could have had Rick on the cheap but Hobbs handed out an absurd extension early.

I believe Steve and Greg knew what Hobbs was doing and used it as leverage for their extension.

Stunning. Conspiracy theories are alive and well on this board.

Apparently this is the focus of your life for several posters here. I see 40 posts in the same thread from some posters, complaining back and forth about the current state of affairs. Must suck to be a fan and feel this way.

 

[rume]

Exactly!! go for the young and up and coming coach who will be aggressive enough to challenge the status quo of the current bball environment even with the players they have to work with.

I watched American and then CCSU do more with less in terms of their coaching against us. Basketball is easier than football to turn around so that is the risk I take. In Football, when the time comes I would go after a NAME coach to change the trajectory of the program as our largest money maker.

Pike's Tykes!

 

[Nycrusupporter]

Her Job! Find the money and make tough decisions . If she is Big Time neither Pike or Greg finish their contracts and are gone.

Firing them and bringing in her guys is big time and displays true leadership. It shows that our AD and more importantly President are not just lip service individuals. They lead with conviction based on the standard they have communicated.

The smart corporate think for them is to ride our both awful contracts blame the previous regimes and extend their careers.

After these lame duck coaches are finally gone they will get 1 if not 2 HC hires for both sports. Extending their careers for over a decade.

Which is it Keli? Big time true leader or big time politician?

Zinn can play hardball with him and cut off all rev share money and send it to football if he won’t resign . . .

 

[needmorecowbell]

Zinn can play hardball with him and cut off all rev share money and send it to football if he won’t resign . . .

Great idea. Bury the basketball program. That will teach him. My goodness. Some of you are certifiably insane.

 

[RUBob75]

Zinn can play hardball with him and cut off all rev share money and send it to football if he won’t resign . . .

That has to be a strong candidate for message board genius!

 

[RexMantlepiece]

Did Eddie Jordan do permanent damage? What about Craig Littlepage?

Exactly to many on this board things in absolute worse case scenarios all the dang time.

 

[RUDivision]

Great idea. Bury the basketball program. That will teach him. My goodness. Some of you are certifiably insane.

Force him to fire assistant coaches and bring in young offensive minded coaches to help bring the program into the modern era .

 

[RUBob75]

I don't disagree that it is time to fire Pike! However, given our finances and the dumpster fire that this program is, who would we get to replace him?

 

[ScarletKid2008]

Officially back to an Eddie Jordan era quality product on the floor. Down by 26! At half. Tennessee (a defensive first team) on track to hang over 100+ points on us.

this season is over before it even started. We officially have a lifeless program.

 

[RUBlackout]

I don't disagree that it is time to fire Pike! However, given our finances and the dumpster fire that this program is, who would we get to replace him?

Anyone else….doesnt matter at this point because it will be new blood and someone who MAY actually change philosophy based on players and in game situations.

PIke has ran the same **** for for 10yrs without any changes. His offense is offensive and his defense has been lackluster at best.