In fairness to Pikiell, freshman are probably all he could afford. Hopefully Zinn can change that in the future.
We must fire Pike or the program is doomed
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I agree but that is a sad reality for a power conference program with fans who just think we should win regardless of resources
Very true, the administration has put up the funds so each program can build appropriate coaching and support staffs but the donors needed to compete never showed up.
Finds a way to get bowl eligible ? About 70 teams do. Rather, he surfs the wannabe wave to participation bowls with less than a 30% conference winning percentage. Schiano 2.0 hasn’t accomplished a darn thing.
It’s a much tougher road to the Dance for basketball teams. 3x the D1 hoops teams than FBS football teams
Exactly!! go for the young and up and coming coach who will be aggressive enough to challenge the status quo of the current bball environment even with the players they have to work with.
I watched American and then CCSU do more with less in terms of their coaching against us. Basketball is easier than football to turn around so that is the risk I take. In Football, when the time comes I would go after a NAME coach to change the trajectory of the program as our largest money maker.
There’s 3 times the d1 hoops teams but 200 of them have no relevance to the dance and another 50-70 reside in 1 bid leagues
to your point making a bowl game doesn’t mean much
my point is it’s far easier and more likely based on what we know about our athletic department and budget to build a “winner” in hoops than in football
you’d agree as a smart fan there’s no reasonable path to 9-11 wins in football that don’t involve overtaking some combination of Ohio state Michigan penn state Oregon and usc on a reasonably regular basis at least 2 of them every year in the standings
in basketball it is an easier turnaround there’s no way to argue that it’s quicker to fix and by my estimation a bigger failure to not succeed in hoops
I agree with this but I don’t think the athletic department can stomach two coaching changes
so if you’re Keli you probably stick it out with GS and the 6-7 win seasons and put your stamp on hoops
I understand but there is no long term success for the AD or program that way! Ask Indiana.
Unfortunately football success carries all the weight. If you win there it flows into all other sports. This coming from a hoops guy .
Both must go! Good luck Keli
How many times does it need to be repeated, you are not getting a football coach worth anything with our current NIL situation. Even if we lose out, that puts us at 19-19 over a three year span. Is that disappointing? Yes. But what up and coming coach would come here after you fired a coach who got absolutely zero administrative support and still went to bowl games in back to back years. And then on top of that, we’d have no real answer for when he asks about NIL support. No coach would touch that job. Already PSU lost out on Rhule, Cignetti, and Elko. We’d have a Flood or Ash like hire if we fired GS tomorrow
My guess would be if he agrees to that it’d be a $10mm lump sum.
How much money do we lose is the RAC is half full or worse? Parking?
Assuming we only draw 5K fans per game vs 8K, and 3 people per car. 1,000 cars $30/each is $30,000/game. Not a ton of money compared to his buyout
I agree. I think you need to make a splash in one sport which can have some prominence and the easier path to success is via Basketball as its less players to afford and quicker to turnaround. Still a revenue sport too.
Football takes a lot more funding and no guarantees either playing against those powerhouse teams either. Schiano for as dreadful in gameday coaching is at least getting us bowl eligible though many fans want to see us take the next step OR at least have a very successful season every 5 years
Seat cost plus concession we would lose about 100k-120k a game. Times how many home game? Pike is done and Greg is driving with him out of town
Moving the goalposts are we ? Was refuting the absurd “finds a way” compliment. He’s done nothing.
Clueless take. Fix the NIL or else every coach will fail. Rutgers is not finding a better coach until the NIL fixed.
Agreed on NIL but what was Pike’s excuse for last year? How do you give him a pass on that? Was NIL the issue last night?
NIL. The roster was a joke last year. 2 freshman aren’t carrying any team. Duke had 2 freshman PLUS 4-5 other NBA players on the roster.
No NIL wasn’t the issue last night. It was one game where they played bad. This roster isn’t good enough to have a bad night and still win. Guys missing layups and not playing hard was the issue last night. Going 5-20 from 3 was also a major issue. The players were settling for bad shots and missing the easy ones. The team needed to get aggressive and get to the basket. When things go are not going well, you get to the basket and good things happen.
The freshman played hardest last night. That’s a major issue. We have 1 experienced player (J Mike) who plays hard every time on the court.
Firing Pike and hiring someone new is just going to make the problem worse. Fix the NIL and if Pike can’t win with a real roster then get rid him. Personally, my season outlook hasn’t changed. This team will still win 13-15 games.
To be clear… this loss is on Pike. Every loss is on the coach. They played with low effort and were not ready. That can’t happen. Every coach has games where the team does not show up. It’s the coaches job to prevent that as much as possible but it happens to every coach.
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That’s exactly what we’re a laughing stock. We’re happy for “back to back winning seasons”??
my word, lol
Ok and Greg doesn’t have any wins remotely close to what pike has.
you chose to focus on one game instead of the overall picture. Our basketball program - no matter what last night showed - is still respected.
the program is ok. Yes. We expect more than back to back winning seasons in basketball.
Because our football program is where it is - we’re fine with 500 seasons.
because our basketball program is where it is - seasons like last year aren’t expected,
Dude, the basketball team plays over twice as many games every year as the football team. Pikiell's lowest win total at Rutgers is 14. Football only plays 12 or 13 games each season. That's an absurd comparison.
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And where is the program exactly? We’re about to have our third straight losing season. I don’t have an opinion on firing Pike, but a roster with two B1G players is not ok.
You’re talking as if we’re one year removed from beating Clemson in the first round of the tournament.
No one would be ok with football having three straight losing seasons
a program that was able to attract a top 1 a top 5 nba draft pick this season
a program that is very difficult to play against at home. A program that upsets top 25 teams on a yearly basis - some seasons multiple times. A program that gets numerous nationally televised games a year. A program that was invited to Vegas two years in a row with multiple blue bloods.
Yes, the last few years weren’t good. But our programs in a good spot.
so it’s absurd to compare our worst losses but not ok to compare our best wins? I don’t get that logic
Someone paid over $3 million for 2 top5 picks
Excusing and revisionist history on last years mund numbing incompetance is mind dumbing
I need to stop you.
Yes, we got Ace and Harper. They committed to us over a year ago. That’s not now. We don’t have anyone funneling those types of players to us anymore and funding the NIL for them.
Yes, the RAC was a difficult place to play at. But not now. I’m not disputing anything Pike has achieved. He’s been a great coach and represents the school with class. He’s everything you want out of an ambassador of the school.
But everything you said is not where we are now.
Where we are now is a team coming off two consecutive losing seasons and staring down the barrel of a third and a mess of an NIL situation.
We’re not good. Fortunately, if we do fix the NIL support, we’re still a school with an NYC footprint and I think that matters a lot for basketball
cause of one loss? Yes it still is. Believe me. Any coach will say it is.
But a program isn’t reflective of what their team is now. Is Penn state a terrible football program because they had a terrible year? No.
is Indiana a historically good football program cause they’ve been historically good recently? No.
a program isn’t reflective of where a team is at currently, there’s more to it. Yes, that was a terrible loss - but just two games ago - we were saying how fun the team looks and will be. We’re so reactive to one game and not the whole picture.
pikielks program has been incredibly more successful than Greg’s 2.0 program. It’s not even debatable. I think we’re way too hard on Pike
Not because of one loss. It’s because of the last two years and the morgue that the RAC is going to be this year
“But a program isn’t reflective of what their team is now. Is Penn state a terrible football program because they had a terrible year? No.” Okay, except it’s two consecutive (soon to be 3) losing seasons for RU and a team of barely any B1G players. I get what you’re saying that it’s not reflective of where it is now but your example of PSU is a terrible one because they went to the semi final last year. I have mentioned numerous times that we’re staring down the barrel of three consecutive losing seasons and still losing to teams such as Stone Hill, Kennessaw state, and CCSU, So while I agree one season isn’t reflective of where the program is, three seasons is
and the only people saying how fun this team was going to be were ppl delusional to think a bunch of mid major players could compete in the B1G
And again, I’ve been complimentary of Pike. Im not disputing what he’s achieved, so you can stop comparing what he’s achieved to GS. I’m just stating that the program is not OK.Losing to teams like Stone Hill, CCSU, Kennessaw State and struggling with Princeton is not “ok.” I think that’s pretty easy to see. Lastly, I’m not calling for Pike to be fired.
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ok. I disagree. I’d rather see how the season progresses first.
and by the way - pikiell teams have had bad ooc losses like this almost every season. And many have gone on to very successful seasons.
I have a feeling we will get a win or two in Vegas and morale will be better in a week
These 2 years for Indiana exceed anything Rutgers has ever done in football for 250 years
if Indiana manages to beat Ohio state in the big ten title game or make a semi final in the CFP they will exceed our football program by a long shot
in the NIL era the past means very little anymore so nobody really cares what we did in 2021… exactly why Indiana can emerge in football
and why saint John’s can go from basement to top seed in 1 year
reputation and tradition matter if you’re duke basketball or Michigan football it doesn’t matter if you had a couple cute little runs 5 years ago
if Indiana manages to beat Ohio state in the big ten title game or make a semi final in the CFP they will exceed our football program by a long shot
in the NIL era the past means very little anymore so nobody really cares what we did in 2021… exactly why Indiana can emerge in football
and why saint John’s can go from basement to top seed in 1 year
reputation and tradition matter if you’re duke basketball or Michigan football it doesn’t matter if you had a couple cute little runs 5 years ago
That’s fair, but those teams that you’re referencing actually had B1G quality players. And those bad losses weren’t double digits to CCSU.
I’m probably jumping the gun a bit. But if we have our third consecutive losing season I would say the program is not “ok.” If the team surprises and somehow plays 500 ball, I’d be delighted
Okay let’s talk about it. How was the roster beyond Ace and Dylan? Good or bad? Very Bad. How much NIL did Pike have to spend on that Roster? Little/good amount/a lot? Very Little. It’s been noted by Richie and everyone who has knowledge of Rutgers NIL situation. Ace and Dylan got money on their own. Did RU chip in a small amount? Probably. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter. The issue to anyone paying attention is lack of NIL. Not sure why anyone would deny that FACT.
St Johns didnt just get good based on NIL implosion...they have a TOP TIER coach....BIG Difference!
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CCSU has been a tourny team the last 2 years - and already has an ACC win this year. Yes, Rutgers played terrible. But it’s not as bad a loss as some suggest, I don’t think
I think pikiell will get this team to improve as the year goes on.
CCSU has been a tourny team the last 2 years - and already has an ACC win this year. Yes, Rutgers played terrible. But it’s not as bad a loss as some suggest, I don’t think
I think pikiell will get this team to improve as the year goes on.
A coach we never would’ve ponied up for and many on here would’ve had a moral issue with hiring
I want to win.
Obviously pitino hasn’t been at sju as long as pikiell has been at ru - but both pike and pitino’s best seasons have ended in the round of 32. So it’s not like pitino has been much better.