Absolutely embarrassing

wheezer

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Didn't hear that in 2006.
About 3/4 through that season, a tv sports panel picked who they thought would go all the way

One of them picked RU. At that point we looked pretty strong
 

Knight Shift

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Thanks for that break down of the numbers.
Unfortunately, this year is not a good year with all of the high level openings and a dearth of quality candidates.

The math gets better on December 1, 2026. The buyout falls to $17,834,375.

As of November 2025, the scheduled base salaries for the remaining years are as follows (note that these correspond to the contract periods covering the respective seasons, and the 2030 season salary is capped at the final amount per the extension terms):

YearBase Salary
2027$7,250,000
2028$7,500,000
2029$7,750,000
2030$7,750,000
These figures exclude any potential bonuses or incentives. The total remaining base salary obligation across these years is $30,250,000.


That's a difference is $12,415,625 over 4 years, an annual savings of $3,103,906.25. Hire an up and coming coach for $4M per year, and Rutgers is only paying an additional $896,000 per year for a head coach. This does not factor in the lost donations and sales of season tickets as fans lose interest in the same old same old with Greg at the helm. In 17 years of head coaching, Greg has had exactly 1 season of more than 9 wins, and only 3 seasons of 9 or more wins. He has had a winning record in conference in only 4 years. He has not beaten a ranked opponent in his 6th year of the 2.0 era.

Asked Grok, and unfortunately, for Ciarrocca: His salaries are $1.9 million for 2025, $1.95 million for 2026, and $2 million for 2027. Rutgers would owe the full remaining contract value if terminating without cause, However, this is subject to offset if Ciarrocca secures comparable employment elsewhere, and mitigation requires him to seek new work.

End of next year would be a good year to get rid of this Grand Illusion of a coaching staff. Or maybe fire Greg mid year if sputtering, and let Ciarrocca be the HC for the rest of the year. In 2026, RU plays UMess, Howard and BC, then Maryland, Northwestern and Penn State. Lose all three of those games, fire him.

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bac2therac

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Maybe the point went over your head.
Maybe you missed the point that Greg was running his own show, and the big donors and the BOG Head were all in on Greg. You think Pat was going to buck that?
Try focusing on the bigger picture and the future instead of whining about the past.
Oh i think our big donors are delusional twits
 

Knight Shift

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Saw it mentioned on one of the podcasts. That the year we were without an AD and the year prior Greg’s staff went from roughly 50 full time employees to more than 125.
I count 102 on the website (dropped into a spreadsheet).


In 2020 it was 75, in 2023, it was 80, and he was the only Schiano, now there are 4 Schianos:



Ohio State has 71,
Indiana has 47 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Iowa has 43

Seems to be an inverse relationship to numbers of coaches and winning. There is more money to be saved there!!!!

Football operating budget went from 49M in 2023 to 64M in 2024. 6th highest in the B10 and 12th highest in the country last year.
See above, good point.
Unfortunately, this year is not a good year with all of the high level openings and a dearth of quality candidates.

The math gets better on December 1, 2026. The buyout falls to $17,834,375.

As of November 2025, the scheduled base salaries for the remaining years are as follows (note that these correspond to the contract periods covering the respective seasons, and the 2030 season salary is capped at the final amount per the extension terms):

YearBase Salary
2027$7,250,000
2028$7,500,000
2029$7,750,000
2030$7,750,000
These figures exclude any potential bonuses or incentives. The total remaining base salary obligation across these years is $30,250,000.


That's a difference is $12,415,625 over 4 years, an annual savings of $3,103,906.25. Hire an up and coming coach for $4M per year, and Rutgers is only paying an additional $896,000 per year for a head coach. This does not factor in the lost donations and sales of season tickets as fans lose interest in the same old same old with Greg at the helm. In 17 years of head coaching, Greg has had exactly 1 season of more than 9 wins, and only 3 seasons of 9 or more wins. He has had a winning record in conference in only 4 years. He has not beaten a ranked opponent in his 6th year of the 2.0 era.

Asked Grok, and unfortunately, for Ciarrocca: His salaries are $1.9 million for 2025, $1.95 million for 2026, and $2 million for 2027. Rutgers would owe the full remaining contract value if terminating without cause, However, this is subject to offset if Ciarrocca secures comparable employment elsewhere, and mitigation requires him to seek new work.

End of next year would be a good year to get rid of this Grand Illusion of a coaching staff. Or maybe fire Greg mid year if sputtering, and let Ciarrocca be the HC for the rest of the year. In 2026, RU plays UMess, Howard and BC, then Maryland, Northwestern and Penn State. Lose all three of those games, fire him.
Reduce the coaching staff, and even more savings. Time to end this nonsense is next season at the latest.
#CoachingMatters
 
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Knight Shift

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Easy, buttercup. 🙂
He might prefer snookums.
I'm the guilty one with the initiation of "Champ," but that was meant as a term of respect, sort of. He called me Skippy, which I take as a compliment since it is a good peanut butter.
 
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Knight Shift

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Sounds wishful thinking

This only works if Keli can ditch the old donors and bring in richer more powerful donors of her own not tied to one year in 2006
Maybe, maybe not. Read on. See the numbers I posted. Greg's spending on staff is out of control. He is hemorrhaging money with a bloated budget for KC (making $2M), a bloated staff (see above), and no results to show for it. If Keli shows the donors the cold hard facts, maybe they can get over their separation anxiety. It's nonsense to think that we will never find another coach that can be at least mediocre. Hire Mora. Hire a MAC coach like Jason Candle. Manny Diaz accepted $4M to be the head coach of Duke.
 

kupuna133

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I count 102 on the website (dropped into a spreadsheet).


In 2020 it was 75, in 2023, it was 80, and he was the only Schiano, now there are 4 Schianos:



Ohio State has 71,
Indiana has 47 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Iowa has 43

Seems to be an inverse relationship to numbers of coaches and winning. There is more money to be saved there!!!!


See above, good point.

Reduce the coaching staff, and even more savings. Time to end this nonsense is next season at the latest.
So not as egregious as reported on the podcast but still very poor return on investment. If this was private sector his budget would be slashed and headcount decreased. But somehow he convinces the powers that be he needs more. Also doesn’t hurt when he had no one to answer to for an extended period of time.
 
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Shelby65

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Schiano wouldn’t allow Nick Saban to run a Nick Saban defense.
Correct. But would probably let him carry around his Fisher Price plastic kids scribble board with make believe coverages on it.

Shelby saw the fake SHI headset Schiano wears for show selling on Amazon for $11.99 and free, one day delivery, batteries not included.

Wife got it for him for Xmas. He loves it.
 
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I count 102 on the website (dropped into a spreadsheet).


In 2020 it was 75, in 2023, it was 80, and he was the only Schiano, now there are 4 Schianos:



Ohio State has 71,
Indiana has 47 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Iowa has 43

Seems to be an inverse relationship to numbers of coaches and winning. There is more money to be saved there!!!!


See above, good point.

Reduce the coaching staff, and even more savings. Time to end this nonsense is next season at the latest.
Doesn't staff include other things than just coaches? (I didn't look at your links to see what the exact roles were). Either way..yikes and wow. But i directionally knew this.
 

DHajekRC1984

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So not as egregious as reported on the podcast but still very poor return on investment. If this was private sector his budget would be slashed and headcount decreased. But somehow he convinces the powers that be he needs more. Also doesn’t hurt when he had no one to answer to for an extended period of time.
Replace CHOP with DOSE.
 

Knight Shift

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Doesn't staff include other things than just coaches? (I didn't look at your links to see what the exact roles were). Either way..yikes and wow. But i directionally knew this.
It "could" be that Rutgers lists people that may be listed elsewhere on other teams' websites. But the different with Indiana is stark:

Indiana Staff (35, Rutgers has 85):
 

Shelby65

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Success Formula =( INV(#staff x .01) + (Fieldhouse sq.ft x .01) + (Coach Competence x .98))/100
 

RUTGERS95

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Behind in score isn’t the same as losing all that time. Purdue had the early gift on the muffed punt. And most of the day, we outplayed them. It just took the entire game to erase that early lead.
the “miracle” was a great defensive play made in a tie game against a team that had very little chance of pulling their own walk off.
If that play was made any other time in the game- you would just consider it a great play by our players that led to a win.
the miracle was they pulled two Rutgers to win the game; their dbacks running into each other leaving Duff wide open and then the last play. the odds of those things happening in games are very very small

we got really lucky
 
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RUTGERS95

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He just got absolutely smoked after AM made their second half adjustments (a common anti Schiano talking point) , fans fled and AM fans owned their stadium just last night. Absolutely no different result than Oregon RU except LSU/Kelly have way more resources than RU/Greg.

So, do want to pick a different replacement coach now ?
nope, he's a great coach with a history to prove it

you'd have to be really be afflicted by schianopox to compare him to Greg
 

RUTGERS95

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You do realize that Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Brian Kelly were HC in the MAC
no, he doesn't and nor do some of the others here with comments. it's comical how dismissive some here are and especially with a HC who is really a MAC level guy
 
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RUTGERS95

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I don't understand why people didn't see this coming. When Ash got fired 6 years ago, they had a NJ.com poll and over 50% wanted an average to below average coach who will always be a bottom half coach in this conference at 14 or 18 teams. As I said 6 years ago, we should have gone after someone better. 👇👇

Post in thread 'NJ.com Poll- Nearly 52% Want Schiano' https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/nj-com-poll-nearly-52-want-schiano.6556927/post-138759007

After 1st 2 yrs 3-20 (0-14)
03-11 Schiano 1.0 65-47 (28-34) Big East
5 non conference games a yr & bowls(5-1) 37-13

After 1st two yrs 8-14 (5-13)
22-25 Schiano 2.0 22-25 (9-24) B1G
3 non conference games a yr & bowls(1-2) 16-2

Career 98-106 (42-85) BE & B1G
33% win% in conferences.

The games he controlled vs lesser opponents 53-15.
many did, the mantra was that he'd get the program respectable and then move on to a new coach to go to the next level. That was the prominent discussion at the time. Then someone thought it was a good idea to extend him which of course was dumb
 

Knight Shift

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You do realize that Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Brian Kelly were HC in the MAC
Also: Bo Schembechler

Lance Leipold, who I am lukewarm on, coached at Buffalo.

Gary Pinkel: 113-73 at Missouri
PJ Fleck:64-42 at Minnesota
Matt Campbell at Iowa State
Dave Doeren at NC State
 
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mdk02

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Also: Bo Schembechler

Lance Leipold, who I am lukewarm on, coached at Buffalo.

Gary Pinkel: 113-73 at Missouri
PJ Fleck:64-42 at Minnesota
Matt Campbell at Iowa State
Dave Doeren at NC State

If you want to go Bo, you might as well go back to the Woody Hayes days at Miami of Ohio when it was the Cradle of Coaches on the late 40s and early 50s
 
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RUTGERS95

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As of December 1, 2025, Rutgers would owe him a buyout of $23,318,750 if terminated without cause.

As of November 2025, the scheduled base salaries for the remaining years are as follows (note that these correspond to the contract periods covering the respective seasons, and the 2030 season salary is capped at the final amount per the extension terms):
YearBase Salary
2026$6,750,000
2027$7,250,000
2028$7,500,000
2029$7,750,000
2030$7,750,000
These figures exclude any potential bonuses or incentives. The total remaining base salary obligation across these years is $37,000,000.


That difference is $14M over 5 years, nominally $3M per year in savings. Hire an up and coming coach for $4M per year, and Rutgers is only paying an additional $1M per year. This does not factor in the lost donations and sales of season tickets as fans lose interest in the same old same old.

#CoachingMatters
failing to reach 500 should be with cause
 
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RUTGERS95

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I count 102 on the website (dropped into a spreadsheet).


In 2020 it was 75, in 2023, it was 80, and he was the only Schiano, now there are 4 Schianos:



Ohio State has 71,
Indiana has 47 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Iowa has 43

Seems to be an inverse relationship to numbers of coaches and winning. There is more money to be saved there!!!!


See above, good point.

Reduce the coaching staff, and even more savings. Time to end this nonsense is next season at the latest.
Kelli needs to fire half of them including Greg's kids
 

Shelby65

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Kelli needs to fire half of them including Greg's kids
Creative Video Coordinator LOL. That guy is even more of a failure than Schiano, which Shelby didn’t think was possible.

It’s easy with AI to fabricate good defensive plays, good pass protection and a few punt returns on video.

Or just borrow the etch-a-sketch Greg gives to KC every week showing him our play for the upcoming game.
 
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