OT: Indiana roster
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Yes and that’s great for the sport. There will never be full parity but it’s a lot better than it ever was. The things people complain about like NIL or portal are big reasons for it. Revenue sharing and caps will help too.
In just these last handful of years we’ve seen things that we’ve never seen or haven’t seen in a long time.
Vandy, GT, UVA are ranked in week 7. IU is ranked 3.
TT has gone on an NIL binge this year with front loaded deals and is ranked 7. They’ve done well putting the pieces together.
I love seeing all these kinds of things.
Cincy and TCU making a 4 team playoff. Boise and ASU making playoffs last year is all good stuff.
Even Michigan and Washington making the champ game and one of them winning is good too, teams we haven’t heard from at that pinnacle since the 90s.
IMO it’s a great time to be a CFB fan…and a junkie like me loves it haha.
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In his first year he was the one raising the money and creating fund raising programs (PSL for seats).
if Hobbs didn’t make the terrible decision extending Greg we could have had Cig.
Local guy jumping from JMU to big ten. He would have made similar demands like he did raising money at Indiana (basketball school) he would have worked with us to do the same. Less then a decade we would phathom paying a coach 2 mil and now we have coordinators making that much.
Im sorry what? When would you have let Schiano go?
Do you even realize what you’re saying? If you gave any coach less than 4 seasons after where GS had to start in 2020 absolutely zero coach would come here. He took over a team on a 21 game conference losing streak
So would you have fired him after 2022 or 2023? I’m dying to know this answer
The Buccaneers had no problem finding his replacement when they fired him after two years.
All jobs are coveted by people looking to move up. There would have been no shortage of candidates eager to take a Big10 job
Did you really compare a highly coveted NFL head coaching job to Rutgers football?
And yes there would be a shortage of suitors. Because had you fired him after three seasons that would have meant you fired the only man who has had success at Rutgers after only 3 full seasons since taking over a team on a 21 game conference losing streak. Not to mention only two full recruiting classes. I know you’re not the poster I responded to, but do you honestly think you would be able to hire a rising HC (Cig) with a bottom of the barrel NIL, a dysfunctional athletic department, and without the ability to outbid the top competition?
I know our fanbase is delusional at times, but this gave me a laugh
You’re plain wrong. It’s not the NFL or the Alabama job but it’s high profile and high pay. There would be a lot of interest. There are far fewer hires than interested candidates for open positions at every level.
Oregon St just fired its coach in his second year. The PAC10 is in shambles. Minimal resources or future potential. So you are saying they won’t be able to fill the position ? LOL you don’t understand.
It‘s human nature. There will never be a shortage of people looking to move up and make more.
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“So you are saying they won’t fill the position.”
After everything you just said about Oregon State. I highly doubt they hire someone as good and on a rising trajectory as Cignetti. Which is the subject of topic.
In my previous post I said “do you honestly think you would be able to hire a rising HC (Cig) with a bottom of the barrel NIL, a dysfunctional athletic department, and without the ability to outbid the top competition?”
And to answer your question, no we would not have a long list of quality suitors. You clearly don’t remember the hot board that included rising studs such as Steve Addazio and Butch Jones back in 2019.
you’re not just wrong, you’re delusional.
We had an AD who was actively hooking up with a coach and did not believe in the importance fundraising for NIL.
And you’re telling me that you think we’d have a lot of interest? From who? Mark Mangino?
You‘re changing your point bc you now see the silliness of your other one. Sure, depending on what other openings there were we might not have been able to get any of our first choices. That goes for most schools, those not at the very top of the food chain.
But you tried to refute my fact, yes fact, that there would be plenty of interest. By changing your argument you are explicitly recognized you were wrong in your main, initial premise that no one would want the job. Big fail.
I’m not changing the subject. You responded to my post that was responding to a poster who claimed that our AD could have hired Cignetti which I refuted.
Get real dude. And again, “plenty of interest?” From who? Charlie Weis?
not only did I not change the subject, you brought the Tampa Bay Bucs into the mix. Which is so hilariously misguided and completely off base. But sure let’s compare the Rutgers HC job to one of 32 NFL HC jobs. You’re so off, you didn’t even know what the discussion was about.
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I don’t know where Indiana ranks on NIL money, but that may be the more telling number for attracting players from other colleges, not HS rankings.
Simple: I definitely never ever would have extended Greg. As you can see how awful that is working out.
Yes on Greg’s initial deal I would have let him go for Cignetti and that’s not Monday morning QB. I had been on that bandwagon for a while.
Fine you brought Greg in to climb out from the Ashes(pun intended) . Once you had done that you move on from a coach who had reached his water level to a coach that can bring you to the next level.
It’s how College programs establish them selves. Coordinator or FCS coach moving up. Then, big time coordinator or successful head coach from another conference. Then, you take your swing at the big name. It’s about a decade but has to be executed with discipline. All of that can be trumped by big $$ which we don’t have. Hobbs clearly screwed that up.
Holding on to a bad coach n a terrible contract is not the answer if our President and AD are true to their word.
You didn't answer the question, Nostradamus.
2020 was a covid year. Write it off.
2021 5-8/2-7
2022 4-8/1-8--not good, but too soon
2023-7-6/3-6 improvement
2024 7-6/4-5 more improvement.
So tell us, genius, what year would you have fired him? He has been showing steady, incremental improvement.
This year? Not good so far, but it's not over yet. Seat should be warm if there is regression (no bowl). Schedule is tougher, but regression on defense is unacceptable. If next year, no improvement, seat should be red hot.
Fair?
You didn’t answer the question. When would you have fired him?
After year three which would have been an awful look. Or after the first winning season in 10 years which also would have been an awful look.
You guys are really delusional if you think you could have fired him in 2022 or 2023 and hired Cignetti. No serious coach would go to a school where the AD was not serious about NIL fundraiser and fired a coach that just had the schools best season in 10 years. Not to mention Cig went to Indiana b/c of the NIL war chest they have. You can go ahead and throw names around. I will too. Zinn should fire Schiano and hire Saban. See what I did there. Granted, Saban is the best coach of all time. But the fact that you think we could have hired one of the rising stars in the game with the lack of NIL funds that we have shows you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Also, it’s very easy to say a coach has reached his water level in the middle of a bad season.
edit: You do realize Schiano had several years left on his contract even though he was extended in 2023? His contract wasn’t up.
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The long extension in December 2023 was dumb and unnecessary IMO. His contract was already for 8 years, giving him 4 more years after the 2023 season. While the feeling was good at the end of 2023, too many schools hand out extensions and raises for minor achievements such as making a minor bowl.
And you are right about NIL, especially when Hobbs was AD- he had no plans and seemed disinterested in NIL. That would have been a nonstarter for Cignetti.
Yeah, I’m not quite sure he realizes that that even though Schiano was extended in 2023 that his contract wasn’t up
And agree, Hobbs loved throwing around extensions
So he is the only coach where spending money makes success?
Armed with Mark Cuban donations and Curt Cignetti's brash approach, Indiana sets up for sustained success
Indiana football is poised to thrive in the new era of college footballwww.cbssports.com
Cignetti might be a great coach but a blind man can see NIL has played a large role in there success
A Frank Zappa quote on a Rutgers football board, Now ya gotta admit thats really sumpthin!
Full aware he had years left ! Cheap years which we could have eaten! He would have been gone and I would have brought Cig in no question.
Where was the IU NIL prior to Cig showing up on campus? I’ll wait!
Your delusional thinking Nil is raised in droves before the coach who people believe in shows up. IU needed Cig, St Johns needed Pitino etc.
This was not a hard transition. Greg came in help stabilize but he should have been a pawn to a larger chess piece. You and the Hobbs are playing checkers . You need to play chess.
No Coach? I mean we did hire Greg a former DC at 2 big time colleges and a former NFL head coach . We had no war chest and he has done zero to improve that in 6 years.
So a local guy coaching at JMU would not have considered RU over IU?
Agree to disagree will forget about the worst extension in history. He must have had the inside scoop on Hobbs.
To recap, you never answered when you would have fired Schiano because you can’t. Firing him in 2022 or 2023 would have a black stain on the program and no coach would come here. Second, NIL wasn’t a thing when we hired him, so bringing up the fact that we didn’t have a war chest doesn’t matter. It was also the ad’s role to build it not GS’s
Our hot board when were hired Greg was Butch Jones, Steve Addazzio, Al Golden, Schiano, Bob Surace, maybe Lance Leipold.
It was as bad as it gets. That’s a fact. This isn’t fantasy football. You don’t get to name the best up and coming coach and say we should have hired him because he’s a “local guy.” And it’s not RU over JMU. It would be RU over any other future opening. Not to mention, since Cig is a great coach, he knows there would be much better opportunities than RU.
You’re not dealing with reality.
as for the NIL, Indiana has a much better alumni pool than RU that Cig would have access to. Richie has mentioned numerous times that promises were made when Cig arrived. Which once again brings me to our AD who did not believe in NIL fundraising. Cig would have had one convo with Hobbs and said “thanks, but no thanks.”
Cignetti is also making over $8 million a year.
so to recap, you would have fired Schiano after either 3 years or after the most successful season since 2014 (we don’t know because you don’t answer)
And then, you would attempt to hire Cignetti even though you don’t have the ability to outbid a more desirable location or have the alumni pool to fulfill his NIL demands.
Got it. Like I said, nothing you are saying is based on reality.
You can agree to disagree. Thats fine. But you’re just “plain wrong.”
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Yes I would have fired Greg after year 4 !
How you build a program if you can’t buy one!
1. Hire a retred or older head coach w experience close to retirement. They have the experience to get the program stable and off the mat. They will never have big success but it will provide you time to find the next coach. Check we did this!
2. Hire the next up and coming coach or Coordinator with a proven track record . This can be dangerous but you only move on from the retred when you have the right one lined up. After success this individual will leave for a bigger job. Had our opportunity!
3. Pay up for proven winner who will see what RU looks like as a winning program. Now you work the corporate and alumni so they become financially imbedded on the programs success. We now have mutual goals to be consistently successful and the money comes in because all parties need a winner for financial reasons. Still waiting
I can be delusional but I would run RU athletics like a BIG TEN program and not one playing in the barn or Princeton 30 years ago.
So you would have fired a coach after the most successful season in 10 years.
Then you would have attempted to hire one of the best up and coming targets in the game even though just about every B1G and SEC school can outbid you?
Not to mention you would need the approval from the school’s board of governors to do all of this. Which would not happen. And not to mention you would need money from the big boosters whose coach you just fired despite coming off the first winning season in 10 years. And between paying Schiano and Cig, we’re talking at least $12- $15 million a year. So good luck getting money from the boosters/school for that.
like I said, this isn’t fantasy football
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Let's see- fire Greg at end of 2023, after making the first bowl since 2014 and notching as many B1G wins as Ash got in 4 years. Brilliant!
A year late, but Luke Fickel was a hot up and coming target. He's at Wisconsin, and 14-17/8-13 super.
Or how about Jonathan Smith, who took over MSU- 8-10/3-9 after 1 1/2 years. Super.
Or Deshaun Foster, 5-10/3-6 and fired because the team was a mess.
Or Ryan Walters, who went 4-19 and 3-15 and was fired.
But RU Division is the Amazing Kreskin- he would have picked the only "new" B1G coach because he "knew" he would have been a success, and he would have cast aside other candidates who had success as coordinators or at other schools because he just knew the one coach who would succeed.
Give me a break.
Stop putting limits on what’s possible!
Your old way of thinking is the problem!
IF I told you 5 years ago we would have 2 NBA lottery picks on the court for us you would be taking shots at me like you are now.
We could have had Cig but old thinking and Greg apologists want to bog you down in loser mentality thinking. Now if you want to say Hobbs drop the ball or the university in flux was the problem ok but a competent president and AD definitely could have pulled it off.
Do you think PSU has 50 mil to pay off Franklin and another 100 Mil to buy a new staff??? Or is it possible they will use the revenue share, private equity deal, and some corporate ( shoe) money to accomplish it?
RU can do this as well! BIG TEN money NYC market it just needs the right coach to jumpstart the program.
We all know it’s not Greg. The mentality is we have to keep him because of his bloated contract. I am unaware of any business who knows it will fail for the next 5 years and stay status qou. The faster he is gone the faster we can get to levels where this program belongs.
For all your failed hires above I can provide success cases. Dumb excercise because we won’t know until a change is made.
Stay status quo with your boy Greg who gave you that winning season and now in year 6 wont win a big ten game.
Successful programs or people have a standard. If that standard is not met they continue to make changes, tweaks, and evolve to achieve that standard.
You can stay with Greg and your losing standard in life.
I would continue to hire and fire until we reach the standard of excellence.
I do agree with you that the school needs to get serious. You’re right about that.
But I hate to break it to you, you’re not outbidding Bama and Indiana for a coach. And yes I do say Bama because they were also looking for a head coach. We weren’t getting Cig
And lastly, it’s very easy for you to say you would have fired Greg in 2023 while we’re failing in the year 2025. No one wants to flounder where we are. We just have a better grip on reality and where we stand.
hopefully we now have a serious AD who can improve our status and financial situation
Agreed. And Greg’s not going anywhere for at least 2 more years. Barring a catastrophic fall or a scandal. Even with Keli and Tate.
The bottom line is: we all need to start practicing the art of Manifestation. Stop our enjoyable inside digs at all things Rutgers and start thinking happy, winning thoughts, and the wins will start rolling in.
Agreed.. but credit to Cignetti and the evaluation staff too. They know talent and quality and certainly use it expertly.
agree and it was 1.5yrs
so many people are nuts to think we can't get a coach and a good one at that. Now we are not getting Saban but many people want to coach in one of the top 2 leagues.
unreal the level of self doubt and lack of pride/confidence people have in this school and program. People need to stop that
You did not win that argument.
You can't equate teh idea that people would gladly take the job with teh program benefiting from selecting only from those willing to take teh job.
Then you have the danger of the name-brand guys who are just looking for one more contract before moseying off into the sunset. They can demand big money based on their name, difficult contract terms.. and if they get fired for coasting, quiet quitting, losing.. they cash checks for a few more years.
stop
you are the one looking like a frightened child here making no sense. We could fill Greg's shoes, that's not the issue at all. What you, and others are fearful of, is the school pulling another low cost bid with limited resources on an unknown with no real resume to run a program like we did with Flood and Ash. I get that but thinking we can't and won't get quality is beyond absurd
Good to see you couldn’t make it past one sentence without name calling.
I’ll make this as clear as possible for you. Firing GS and going out to replace him does not matter if we don’t fix the NIL situation in a major way. This has been repeated multiple times by the moderators and those in the know.
and no one is fearful of the school making a low cost hire. We just understand the landscape of college football better than the nimrods who say things like we could have hired Cignetti years ago. lol We also remember the hot board back in 2019 and no up and coming coach is going to a school that’s at the disadvantage that we’re at until we fix the things we need to fix.
but I guess I’m the child.
Be interesting to discover how they got the funds to pay that contract along with the NIL payments.
They’re both out of the AD budget so money always seems to be found if needed. Maybe they used Cuban’s donation…who knows. If they run a deficit maybe it’s a little bigger.
I like him and I root for him because he’s at an underdog school but 8 years is a long time. A lot can change. See Stoops and his 10 win seasons at UK. Now they’re gonna have to pay 40M if they want him gone.
It’s a deserved salary for the years you perform at the high level. Is he going to do this every year for 8 years? If it happens to slip then what….no one ever thinks about the then what only the moment. If it goes awry, the decision makers are usually long gone.
I didn't intend for this to be about CC, who has done a fine job. My question was more about Rutger's ability to pay that kind of money, even if the talent was the same