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dukiejay

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youngman42 said:
There are other factors with PT. Yes, getting minutes does get a player comfortable with being on the court and game speed. And, it takes away some of the 'deer in the headlights' effect that hits a lot of kids.

Minutes also do is they motivate kids (rather than just the negative motivation of sitting the bench until you play better in practice). The kid gets a positive taste of the game and being part of the team - however small it is. If you get 2-3 minutes in the 1st half, you get to participate. Even if you are

But, there is also another benefit. Many of these kids, whether it's completely spurious or not, doesn't matter, think that if they are not getting minutes in games their game is being held back and they are not given a chance to develop. But, give a kid minutes in several games and if his game needs a lot of work, he'll be exposed. And, most importantly, he'll be exposed to himself. He'll see he is getting embarrassed on national TV if he doesn't up his game.

I think there are three key motivating factors for everyone - but especially for freshmen coming in. And, all these have to actually be experienced. The "stick" the negative of seeing that you are not going to start or get a ton of minutes if you don't work hard. The "carrot" - a taste of success. They have to feel the taste of being cheered by fans at home. Getting a big play in a game (even Bolden has had a play or two). The more opportunity they get for that the more motivation there will be in practice. Making a play in practice and getting the praise of an assistant coach is not motivation enough. Third, is relational. A kid needs to know that the coach really loves him and wants him to have a great experience as well as grow. That means some PT.

This is not saying a kid like Bolden should have gotten 10-15 minutes a game. But, that he should have gotten in many more games, most or all of them, at least a minute or two. And, if Duke has a lead maybe give him 5-7 minutes and I think that would go a long way to their desire to stay; to work harder the next year; and to believe that they actually will get on the court. That they won't turn into a Sean Obi, sitting on the bench for 3 years (whether that's fair or not, doesn't matter, it's perception - and that's why so many transfer out of Duke after their freshman year).
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We'll just agree to disagree.

Watch Geno Auriemma's comments on kids today, or see what Frank Martin has said. They're more relevant to me.
 
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dukiejay said:
I don't see reason for an announcement if he's staying....especially this early. At minimum, he would hear evaluations from scouts and get feedback from the staff. If, by chance, he would stay....well, I think it would be a while before we know that. So, technically, every day he doesn't announce something, that's a good thing.

But don't get your hopes up.
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Yeah but Grayson "announced" he was staying last year
 
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dukiejay

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pisgah101 said:
Yeah but Grayson "announced" he was staying last year
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Yes, later. That's why I say every day that passes gives you more hope. Being that, as of right now, neither Luke or Grayson has said they're going 'for sure' means they're still in the 'gathering info' stage. I wouldn't expect an announcement saying they're staying this early....but it would be one helluva pleasant surprise.
 
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sheyduke

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Imo, for Luke he wants more then one person telling him he'll go for sure in the first round. Which I think he goes mid first round.

For Grayson imo, it's if he guaranteed first round and if not what he can do to help his stock should he return. Grayson has the harder of the two imo especially if he graduates. Does he want to possibly go second round or would he rather come back and do what he set out to do this year.
 
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dukiejay said:
We'll just agree to disagree.

Watch Geno Auriemma's comments on kids today, or see what Frank Martin has said. They're more relevant to me.
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I agree with Frank's comments more so than Gino...and I really respect Gino's also...

IMO Kids haven't changed that much...but society and how we raise them...especially through sports has changed significantly.....that to me is the difference in coaching kids today....
 
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K-oach Q said:
I agree with Frank's comments more so than Gino...and I really respect Gino's also...

IMO Kids haven't changed that much...but society and how we raise them...especially through sports has changed significantly.....that to me is the difference in coaching kids today....
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I don't necessarily disagree with that take. That's today we are too soft on kids and cave into what they want instead of being dicipilinarians.
 
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K-oach Q said:
I agree with Frank's comments more so than Gino...and I really respect Gino's also...

IMO Kids haven't changed that much...but society and how we raise them...especially through sports has changed significantly.....that to me is the difference in coaching kids today....
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I'd like to hear the comments each make- do you have a link to the interviews?
 
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sheyduke

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The five mill a year is only if you go lottery correct? I thought in the new CBA rookie contracts were ten million for the first three years ?
If the five million a year is correct I can see why Grayson is mad about not going last year.
Can anyone tell me what degree gets you five million a year coming out of college?
 
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sheyduke said:
The five mill a year is only if you go lottery correct? I thought in the new CBA rookie contracts were ten million for the first three years ?
If the five million a year is correct I can see why Grayson is mad about not going last year.
Can anyone tell me what degree gets you five million a year coming out of college?
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I think the Top 10 is guaranteed something. I think after that if you look at where he may go he's probably get something. His defense needs some work but they don't play much anyway and he'd fit perfectly in a lineup. Probably will be better off going mid-1st Rd.
 
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Dad2ze said:
I think the Top 10 is guaranteed something. I think after that if you look at where he may go he's probably get something. His defense needs some work but they don't play much anyway and he'd fit perfectly in a lineup. Probably will be better off going mid-1st Rd.
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I might be mistaken as well but I think the lottery picks are guaranteed ten million over three years and contracts after are discussed for some reason I want to say they are for no less then 2.5 million over three years.
 
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