Looking at next seasons roster

[njxchange]

Until I guy shows me he can defend high screen or get out on shooters I only use #2 pencils with a full eraser.

If Mag is healthy he starts. Period. If Cliff and Paul and Cam are here they start.

That does leave one open spot for a player who has the skill set that Gavin has on paper.

its one of the price, of getting a 5 stars and future 5 stars. Since we are not Duke yet, You have to literally give him a chance from the start. If you don't, future 5 stars will think twice before coming here.
When we get to Duke, Kentucky, UNC level, we can sit 5 stars and make them earn it because we will constantly have 5 stars coming to our program.

next year Starting 5 with Cliff coming back.

C - Cliff
F - Mag
F - Gavin
G - Cam
G - Paul

reserves

F - Hyatt (6th man)
G - Simpson, F/C - Wolfork, F/C - Reiber (7th/8th/9th depending on the Match up)
F - Ddongo
G - Davis
F - Chol

maybe Palm, & Miller leaves...

 

[Scangg]

I actually thought Hyatt could be a dark horse candidate for a transfer with Mag taking the starting job if he wanted to go somewhere for a bigger role

Mag injury will give Hyatt a shot at a bigger role. Let's see if he can take the opportunity and shine

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Next year we have 14 people on ship

If anyone thinks that Pike would give a scholarship out beyond the limit and not know who isn’t possibly going to be back …I won’t insult that person

Pike knows …or knows the scanarios and is recruiting

We don’t

More info will be revealed in senior day..but we will know when the time to knkw is here

Key is simple . Will Paul and cliff come back ?

If so. We are looking at a potential high preseason ranking , especially with sone good ncaa success this year

 

[Loyal_2RU]

its one of the price, of getting a 5 stars and future 5 stars. Since we are not Duke yet, You have to literally give him a chance from the start. If you don't, future 5 stars will think twice before coming here.
When we get to Duke, Kentucky, UNC level, we can sit 5 stars and make them earn it because we will constantly have 5 stars coming to our program.

next year Starting 5 with Cliff coming back.

C - Cliff
F - Mag
F - Gavin
G - Cam
G - Paul

reserves

F - Hyatt (6th man)
G - Simpson, F/C - Wolfork, F/C - Reiber (7th/8th/9th depending on the Match up)
F - Ddongo
G - Davis
F - Chol

maybe Palm, & Miller leaves...

James Bailey didn't start until his 6th game. Phil Sellers started game 1. As Gavin is ready he will play

 

[njxchange]

I actually thought Hyatt could be a dark horse candidate for a transfer with Mag taking the starting job if he wanted to go somewhere for a bigger role

Mag injury will give Hyatt a shot at a bigger role. Let's see if he can take the opportunity and shine

yea I could see that happening also. Another Young...
Hyatt wants the ball in his hands and wants bigger role on the offensive side.

 

[Big East Beast]

Really? I can't imagine a coach saying that. Players aren't stupid. They know where they stand regarding PT. If a coach said that to me, I'd think he thought I was an idiot.

Different sport/situation but I got the talk in baseball. They were reducing the size of the program, so after winter workouts everyone knew there would be cuts. Coach Hill said basically, we only have so many spots and with new frosh recruit and a couple of transfers who came in after last year, you aren’t good enough and there’s no path to PT for you here.

I had had an injury, so could have angled for a redshirt (other kids had done this in year before me) but It didn’t seem worth it just to be on the team but have no chance to play. I asked about transfer options, but he pretty quickly shifted the conversation to academics and a pitch to stay at RU since it had so much to offer as an institution.

College sports is different from high school - much more business-like and not everyone enjoys the grind. I can only imagine more so these days & kids who are getting full rides- but my sense is Pike, Schiano, Owens would be similarly no-nonsense and candid in approach.

 

[Joey Bacala]

And there's Chol...

project

 

[pmvon]

Cliff is no longer an engineering major and he’s graduating this year.

Let’s hope it’s not a
Myles situation. I do think he needs another year.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

BE Beast.

I liked your post. Not liked that you were injured or got the talk.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

If everyone stays, Next years team may start out in top 25...On paper we are loaded and should be a legit threat in the Big and the Tourney..

Cliff
Mag
Hyatt
Cam
Mulchay
Reserves
Gavin
Simpson
Wolf
Dean
Ndongo
Chol
Jamicheal Davis
Palmquist

Maybe a few guys transfer...Or we bring one in....who knows

You don’t bring in someone as high as Gavin and not start him. Has an outside chance of being a one and done.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

James Bailey didn't start until his 6th game. Phil Sellers started game 1. As Gavin is ready he will play

Today is a very different world. Top rated recruits are told exactly how they will be used as part of their process to decide where to go.

 

[dconifer0]

I don’t think Pike will try to tell a player they need to leave, but he likely will be having honest conversations with a couple players about how they are unlikely to see regular minutes and if that is what they are looking for he would support their decision to look for other options

Yeah, I think it's inevitable in big-time basketball, especially nowadays with the portal. I would imagine that every coach has a different style, some more gentle than others...

 

[MiloTalon13]

I can't imagine coaches NOT having candid discussions with players about their role on the team and future development/prospects on the team

That would be coaching malpractice IMO

Exactly. I doubt Pike is saying "I need you to transfer" but I'm sure he tells guys what he expects their role to be.
Adding 3 Freshmen who will likely get minutes AND Chol - subtracting only Cliff - there's going to be guys with reduced or almost no role.

 

[MiloTalon13]

I actually thought Hyatt could be a dark horse candidate for a transfer with Mag taking the starting job if he wanted to go somewhere for a bigger role

Mag injury will give Hyatt a shot at a bigger role. Let's see if he can take the opportunity and shine

I agree o Hyatt - seems like a guy who wants to play and especially shoot more and will likely look for someplace like that. Hard to see him getting as much PT next year and certainly won't shoot as much if he stays.

 

[MiloTalon13]

You don’t bring in someone as high as Gavin and not start him. Has an outside chance of being a one and done.

Probably an unpopular opinion here, but Gavin being one and done and an early first-round pick would do more for the program than winning the BIg Ten Tournament.

 

[MiloTalon13]

It's been reported the team is taking a summer trip overseas - Cliff can earn NIL $$ while outside of the US.

 

[RAC’emUp]

Different sport/situation but I got the talk in baseball. They were reducing the size of the program, so after winter workouts everyone knew there would be cuts. Coach Hill said basically, we only have so many spots and with new frosh recruit and a couple of transfers who came in after last year, you aren’t good enough and there’s no path to PT for you here.

I had had an injury, so could have angled for a redshirt (other kids had done this in year before me) but It didn’t seem worth it just to be on the team but have no chance to play. I asked about transfer options, but he pretty quickly shifted the conversation to academics and a pitch to stay at RU since it had so much to offer as an institution.

College sports is different from high school - much more business-like and not everyone enjoys the grind. I can only imagine more so these days & kids who are getting full rides- but my sense is Pike, Schiano, Owens would be similarly no-nonsense and candid in approach.

Did you have to give up any part of an athletic scholarship?

 

[njxchange]

Probably an unpopular opinion here, but Gavin being one and done and an early first-round pick would do more for the program than winning the BIg Ten Tournament.

1 and done guys are usually guys who are super freak athlete.
Gavin is very athletic but not in same sentence as freak athletes that's 1 and done.
I believe Gavin will be 1st round pick when its all said and done but I think he will be with us for at least 2 to 3 years.
Ace is different story. He fits as the one and done athletes. Dylan also.

my humble opinion...

 

[MiloTalon13]

1 and done guys are usually guys who are super freak athlete.
Gavin is very athletic but not in same sentence as freak athletes that's 1 and done.
I believe Gavin will be 1st round pick when its all said and done but I think he will be with us for at least 2 to 3 years.
Ace is different story. He fits as the one and done athletes. Dylan also.

my humble opinion...

I hope/dream he's a taller, more athletic, better all-around player version of Tyler Herro.
Herro was a one-and-done #13 pick.
#35 composite ranking HS class of 2018

 

[dconifer0]

Funny that this came up, because on the Maryland site they are also speculating on next year. I had no idea that three of Maryland's top players were eligible to return due to the extra COVID year. I wonder when that will ever go away, ha ha...

 

[Big East Beast]

Did you have to give up any part of an athletic scholarship?

No. I was a “ PWO” and baseball is different for all sorts of reasons because most kids don’t get much athletic scholarship money.

I think “the talk” is pretty much the same at every level beyond high school because it comes down to you aren’t good enough or we are investing in the potential of someone else.

Here’s an assessment of what we feel your options are from here - they can make it pretty unappealing to stay, though I think not renewing a ship is pretty uncommon.

 

[Rokodesh]

If Gavin starts, all the better. It means he is ready day 1 .

Gavin needs to add some weight or he'll get pushed around by college bodies

 

[Rokodesh]

I can't imagine Mag isn't a starter. Caleb is leaving, and if Mag went to the bench, the defense will take a massive hit

Paul Cam Gavin Mag Cliff would be a very very dangerous team

Simpson and Davis backing up the guards

Hyatt Chol Ndongo wings

Wolf and Dean bigs

Miller and Oskar at the end of the bench if they remain

Agree but Ndongo isn't a wing. He'll be in the post

 

[ruteelrice_rivals]

Cliff will be back, his butter fingers aren't impressing anybody this season

 

[RAC’emUp]

No. I was a “ PWO” and baseball is different for all sorts of reasons because most kids don’t get much athletic scholarship money.

I think “the talk” is pretty much the same at every level beyond high school because it comes down to you aren’t good enough or we are investing in the potential of someone else.

Here’s an assessment of what we feel your options are from here - they can make it pretty unappealing to stay, though I think not renewing a ship is pretty uncommon.

We have a family friend whose kid had a 70% ride for baseball at a school that has won recent national championships. (Starting catcher). That’s a lot of pressure when there are only 9 total schollies. When he tore his labrum he was forced out and college got expensive. Same thing is likely to happen to an RU hoops player this year. Tough.

 

[knight82]

James Bailey didn't start until his 6th game. Phil Sellers started game 1. As Gavin is ready he will play

They didnt have the star ratings back then but Sellers would have been a 5 star. Bailey was not a real highly regarded recruit. In fact Joe Boylan once told me they were recruiting someone else when they first saw Bailey play and he knocked their socks off. The rest is history

 

[garyrc70]

That is correct. His NIL money goes to charity.

So just because you're not a US citizen you cant receive NIL $$? Yet if you have a job you pay taxes..There is a lot more I could say on this but better to keep it to myself..

 

[MiloTalon13]

Gavin needs to add some weight or he'll get pushed around by college bodies

Listed at 6'7' 185, it's realistic to expect him to gain 10lbs by November - a typical tall skinny teenager does that w/o even putting in much effort just by getting a year older
6'7" 195 - not a problem, Caleb is 6'7" 200lbs

 

[MiloTalon13]

So just because you're not a US citizen you cant receive NIL $$? Yet if you have a job you pay taxes..There is a lot more I could say on this but better to keep it to myself..

It's being in the US on the most common type (and easiest to get) of student visa.
You can't work on that student visa. It's not just NIL he can't work any job.
If you want to work, it's a different process. H1B, green card etc.

 

[aplus29]

If everyone stays, Next years team may start out in top 25...On paper we are loaded and should be a legit threat in the Big and the Tourney..

Cliff
Mag
Hyatt
Cam
Mulchay
Reserves
Gavin
Simpson
Wolf
Dean
Ndongo
Chol
Jamicheal Davis
Palmquist

Maybe a few guys transfer...Or we bring one in....who knows

You forgot Miller

 

[Westcoast]

I agree o Hyatt - seems like a guy who wants to play and especially shoot more and will likely look for someplace like that. Hard to see him getting as much PT next year and certainly won't shoot as much if he stays.

Not sure where this is coming from. Hyatt does shoot a lot. But Pike specifically offered Hyatt a scholarship because he was one of the few transfers who didn't ask about playing time or shots. He just wanted to help in any way and win. I doubt his thinking has changed.

 

[Big East Beast]

We have a family friend whose kid had a 70% ride for baseball at a school that has won recent national championships. (Starting catcher). That’s a lot of pressure when there are only 9 total schollies. When he tore his labrum he was forced out and college got expensive. Same thing is likely to happen to an RU hoops player this year. Tough.

Too many stories like this. Catcher from my hs turned down a full ride to SHU and went in 12th rd. Signed for $50-$100k.

Tore his shoulder in rookie ball and they told him we’ll give you another shot but you have to pay for the surgery.

He got the surgery, but wasn’t the same and was out of pro baseball at 18.

 

[Scangg]

Gavin needs to add some weight or he'll get pushed around by college bodies

Gavin will be fine. He's a perimeter player and already looks a little more muscular this season than last. Wings cam be long and thin and it's not a problem

Agree but Ndongo isn't a wing. He'll be in the post

Ndogo has perimeter skills. He might be able to put on weight and be a 5 eventually and I have hopes he can be a real stretch 5, but he is more of a 4 than a true post player next season. Not sure he can play the 5 in the post as a freshman until he gets some college level S&C. He can rebound and block shots as a help defender but he would likely struggle one on one post D against B1G 5's as a frosh

 

[Salvi's Headband]

1 and done guys are usually guys who are super freak athlete.
Gavin is very athletic but not in same sentence as freak athletes that's 1 and done.
I believe Gavin will be 1st round pick when its all said and done but I think he will be with us for at least 2 to 3 years.
Ace is different story. He fits as the one and done athletes. Dylan also.

my humble opinion...

You're basing this all on one thing

 

[fg7321]

That is correct. His NIL money goes to charity.

Time for a brown paper bag like the old days

 

[Jtung230]

Time for a brown paper bag like the old days

that’s one way to get Cliff NIL money.

 

[Knights2003]

You forgot Miller

Let's assume all players who can come back want to and the coaches want them as well. Could it be a possibility that one of the good students on the team (Cliff, Paul, maybe Cam) removes himself from his basketball scholarship and qualifies for an academic scholarship? You hear that in college sports once in a while. I wonder if that has any chance of happening in this situation.

 

[bitnez]

The numbers tight next year but if Cliff goes I would not discount us getting a big body in the portal.

 

[RAC’emUp]

Too many stories like this. Catcher from my hs turned down a full ride to SHU and went in 12th rd. Signed for $50-$100k.

Tore his shoulder in rookie ball and they told him we’ll give you another shot but you have to pay for the surgery.

He got the surgery, but wasn’t the same and was out of pro baseball at 18.

For all the money in the MLB you would think they could afford to treat minor leaguers decently. Not picking up the surgery sucks. People don‘t know the dark side. The coach who pushed out my friend’s kid is a legend, field named after him, the whole works.

 

[MiloTalon13]

Not sure where this is coming from. Hyatt does shoot a lot. But Pike specifically offered Hyatt a scholarship because he was one of the few transfers who didn't ask about playing time or shots. He just wanted to help in any way and win. I doubt his thinking has changed.

What changed is Rutgers is recruiting better players.
Don't get me wrong, I like Hyatt, he plays hard and seems like a good teammate. I'm skeptical that PT and shots don't matter to him.