ROI is just whatever the customer thinks is valuable. For fans it may be winning. For a business it can be multiple things. Most businesses i promoted on socials was to create more buzz around the business. That’s why i think small local businesses get the most out nil. If a business is already established it doesn’t make much sense, unless run by a fan. Then their ROI is winning plus they can mark it as a business expense for marketing
Harsh reality about NIL
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It's all relative to the teams that we compete against. Sure, our revenues and giving have gone up, but you have to compare that against our competition. We are getting paid less than a full share by our conference (the infamous "buy in") and, mainly due to our lack of historical success, our giving is dreadful across the board. All sports except football and women's hoops have greatly improved in the B1G. This League has been great for Rutgers. But football is a much more difficult nut to crack. For better or worse, some teams in the B1G have fan bases that will donate their last dollar to their team. Just not the case in NJ.
Yeah and I'm part of those general terms. Sensitive? **** you, I donate to plenty of things which have benefited Rutgers student athletes. I'm very fortunate and can afford these things, if you donated you would feel the same. Shame that him and you had to go after the people who truly care about Rutgers athletics and do more than just speak about it. Or like you, who just joins a free message board.
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I didn't sign up as a fan for semi-pro football. We didn't fail Rutgers football, College football failed Rutgers football, and hundreds of other programs.
That's not true. But having to pay players in addition to all the other financial requests is a step too far for many of us.
I hope they enjoy their success at supporting a semi-pro football team and paying the players with no commitment from them. I'm going to catch up on my reading.
LOL. Seriously, let's give that guy money.
Also, has he seen our team? Who's going to lure away those scrubs?
How much has Geo's mom and dad contributed? Did they even offer to pay for his school?
Maybe they should skip college and go right to the NBA then. Not good enough yet? How about you sell a percentage of your future salary for NIL money now? Or is it too much to ask a
I donate too. I’ve just shifted a lot of my donations to NIL since that is now the priority and fastest way to get better. You’re just mad cause you don’t like NIL and you know that’s where to focus should be. Donating for new locker rooms or coaches salaries don’t matter as much anymore. Get over it.
Then stop complaining when we lose. You’re one of the biggest babies on this board. Follow Princeton football instead.
One more thing, wasn't Geo central to this whole lawfare thing that got us the NIL world?
If so, nice job Geo, you got some money for you and your pals, and likely killed dozens of college athletics teams in the process. I wonder if a future Geo junior will even have folks show up to future Rutgers BB games after the next 20 years of losing the NIL game to the richer programs. Sure would suck if your kid ended up paying in opportunity for the financial benefits ya'll have engineered now.
That said, thanks for all the hard work, success and fun you brought to Rutgers. It's a shame just doing it for our alma mater wasn't rewarding enough.
If so, nice job Geo, you got some money for you and your pals, and likely killed dozens of college athletics teams in the process. I wonder if a future Geo junior will even have folks show up to future Rutgers BB games after the next 20 years of losing the NIL game to the richer programs. Sure would suck if your kid ended up paying in opportunity for the financial benefits ya'll have engineered now.
That said, thanks for all the hard work, success and fun you brought to Rutgers. It's a shame just doing it for our alma mater wasn't rewarding enough.
After paying to go to 2 different Rutgers schools, contributions and tickets for the past 20+ years, I’m drawing the line at NIL. If it means we stink so be it. I have enjoyed my time and I’ll find other ways to spend the thousands I still spend on RU.
Update: Reading comprehension is still super important. If you don’t like NIL, that’s fine. My tweet was in no way bashing those who don’t.
I honestly planned on giving you a lengthy reply but it’s not even worth it
yes I was very central to student athletes getting the same rights as every other human being in the country. What an awful world we live in
I honestly planned on giving you a lengthy reply but it’s not even worth it
yes I was very central to student athletes getting the same rights as every other human being in the country. What an awful world we live in
I guess my question is "if the athletes are now availed of financial opportunities, do we continue giving them free room and board?"
I don't know what the numbers are for Rutgers, but we know that across the country there are numerous athletes with 6-figure and even 7-figure NIL deals. Why are those people getting their educations subsidized?
If your kid gets a full academic scholarship and creates their own tutoring app that gets acquired for 1 million dollars are you questioning whether their scholarship should be taken away?
the answer is no because rutgers wants that kid on scholarship to represent the school. Rutgers is paying in hopes the kid will give back to the school one day
I still stand by my premise that NIL is just more of the same. Instead of facilities it's now partly NIL, regardless we're never going to be competing in that stratosphere and will be a program that has to do more with less. That's always been the case. If anything I see a spreading out of talent at the top and on down. Texas and A&M have gotten players (example of some of that spreading out of talent at the top) but haven't seen it translate into big winning yet. I haven't seen tons of NIL money flowing through the mid tier and lower tier programs, might be some here and there but I don't see widespread big dollars being thrown around all over the place. I don't have a problem with NIL because I don't think it changes much and playing time and opportunity are still limited and at a premium. There's a balance there between NIL and playing opportunity that each individual will take into account. You will lose players and you will get players.
I look at the rankings currently and I see Syracuse, Cincy, KSU, Kansas, WF, JMU, TCU, Miss St...that looks pretty good to me. Of course that can all change by end of season but I see opportunity and exposure there for teams that normally might not get it and I doubt are big NIL spenders. Sam Hartman is still at WF. Grayson McCall still at Coastal Carolina. Will Rogers still at Miss St. Max Duggan didn't leave TCU even though he got moved to #2 and now is shining after the starter got hurt. Adrian Martinez is playing well for KSU after a difficult 4 years at Nebraska. Cam Rising is still at Utah. The list goes on. Players will stay or come and go and NIL is just one reason some movement will happen, it's not the only reason.
I look at the rankings currently and I see Syracuse, Cincy, KSU, Kansas, WF, JMU, TCU, Miss St...that looks pretty good to me. Of course that can all change by end of season but I see opportunity and exposure there for teams that normally might not get it and I doubt are big NIL spenders. Sam Hartman is still at WF. Grayson McCall still at Coastal Carolina. Will Rogers still at Miss St. Max Duggan didn't leave TCU even though he got moved to #2 and now is shining after the starter got hurt. Adrian Martinez is playing well for KSU after a difficult 4 years at Nebraska. Cam Rising is still at Utah. The list goes on. Players will stay or come and go and NIL is just one reason some movement will happen, it's not the only reason.
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As you know, there are 2 kinds of scholarships, generally - academic and needs-based.
If my kid creates a tutoring app that makes money and he has a needs-based scholarship, it's technically a crime for him to accrue income from the app and continue to claim the scholarship (assuming the app puts his income above the threshold for needs-based scholarships).
If he's on an academic scholarship and makes money from the app, that's fine. Unless he's making a million dollars from it, at which point I would very likely suggest that he give up the scholarship and allow it to be given to someone who has the requisite grades but not the money.
I'm not Nostradamus, but I'd be willing to make a bet with you that if student athletes start pulling down serious money via NIL the schools will get together and petition the NCAA to revise the athletic scholarship landscape. Things will change, dramatically.
I honestly planned on giving you a lengthy reply but it’s not even worth it
yes I was very central to student athletes getting the same rights as every other human being in the country. What an awful world we live in
Let's wait and see what the end of season transfer flow of players to and from those current ranked schools you list is at the end of the year. Not just the numbers, but the quality of players in and out.
I'm going the other way, I think. Don't want to pay for NIL? Well, we're gonna suck, so I'm out. I can't ethically give money to these players when I have mouths to feed at home, and I don't want to watch us get drubbed every week. So I think I'll take a step back, give up my tickets, and care less.
Basically, NIL killed Rutgers football for me.
I’d take that bet with you. The next step that’s going to happen from this is student athletes will become employees. If that step doesn’t happen and it’s only NIL, their scholarships are not going to change.
You’re better than most with the scholarship situation. Easier to say hypothetically though lol.
you can’t penalize a kid if someone thinks they’re worth a million dollars by turning around and saying well now you’re school isn’t paid for. It’s getting paid for based off a skill that a very small percentage of the world have.
Makes sense. To me nil is if it’s valuable to you. If you wanted to pay for the football players to come to your kids birthday party (I’m assuming they’re fans) then that would be good use of NIL. I’m not aboard the let’s throw money in a pool and watch it grow
So you are against human rights or am i missing something. I feel like there’s one thing to not be a fan of nil because it hurts your team and another to think it shouldn’t be a thing.
The dynamics don’t change at the end of the year. Playing time is still playing time and fit and comfort level is still fit and comfort level.
WF lost a RB to MSU last year but that didn’t slow down their offensive production. Charlie Jones transferred from Iowa to Purdue but was that for NIL or because of poor utility at Iowa and more opportunity at Purdue. Addison did leave for NIL to USC and now Pitt has a pretty productive RB in Abanikanda who just broke an old Tony Dorsett record. There are a bunch of reason players will come and go. That won’t change at the end of the year. It’s up to the coaches to manage it and work around the who comes and goes.
I am all for student athletes getting paid when their likeness is in a video game (Was that the Ed O'Bannon case?) Or if they actually run a camp, provide a service, endorse a product, sell their own tee shirts like you seem to be doing. These schools that have collectives that pay kids millions just to come to their school, that's a perversion of the idea, but one we all saw coming.
So it’s current form is worse than a billion dollar industry owning rights of humans. That’s a pretty bold take.
As someone who falls more on your side than the other, this is a really simplistic view. You have to acknowledge that student athletes at P5 universities are being paid through scholarships, meals, gear, and a million other perks. It's not as black and white as you make it out to be.
Those humans willingly signed those NIL rights away in exchange for free tuition, room and board, the best athletic trainers and coaches, the opportunity to hone their skills and showcase them.
Guys were getting paid to go to schools anyway. I do agree with you though. But there are very few kids getting paid big bucks through nil. You just notice it more because it’s the only thing talked about on social media.
we’re going on year 2 of NIL. has anything actually changed for rutgers sports? Basketball landed their highest recruit, football is still rebuilding. (Almost got their first big ten home win in what was it 6 years?) not a single player transferred from the bball team.
I’m not in favor of the collectives but cheating is going to happen in college sports no matter what. That’ll never change.
If you look at basketball, if NIL didn’t happen, a lot of top kids would’ve stopped going the college route. There’s multiple pro avenues out of high school now. Now less kids will make a bad choice and go to school and finish school.
just feels like too many people are thinking too much about how this hurts rutgers and not enough about how it helps humans. My goal is to help both.
As 18 year old kids that have zero idea about the industry. Them signing away their rights doesn’t make it correct and unfixable.
Its definitely acknowledged. Forever grateful for rutgers. I’ll be a fan for life. Will try to help anyone who is an alumni with whatever connections I’ve made for life.
but if you’re on the inside of p5 football/basketball you’d understand better. It’s a literal job. There’s no other way to describe it. The automatic reaction is always yeah well free school. These coaches aren’t getting paid millions for no reason. They are going to get you in the easiest classes and easiest majors to make sure you are successful on the field/court. Everybody’s doing communications, labor studies, and Africana studies. It’s not by accident
Yes they chose the lifestyle and the sacrifice but they should be making some money along the way due to that. Big ten is adding schools from California soon. Let’s call it what it is: a professional sports business. You can’t keep calling kids student athletes and refuse to acknowledge the student side