Jim Harbaugh

[mildone_rivals]

you're right that most of this discussion is mainly about women's rights
another part of this discussion is over Jim Harbaugh talking about the abortion issue in a pro live gathering in front of an anti-abortion audience (or ,one can surmise , a crowd wit a margity of people that are against abortion)
Ih this thread some feel he should shut up (I;m not one of those, even if I disagree with his stance)
other praised him for his bravery ( in which I think might be overboard because he was speaking out in front of like minded people that thought about the issue the same way he does).
But I feel in today's society talking pro or con with receive a backlash from those who don't like to hear an opposite viewpoint, so anyone speaking out about any issue might be considered brave for doing so.

Jim Harbaugh hes shown over the years ( as article I'm posting implies) he's not afraid to speak his mind about issues he feels a need to talk about .

Be outraged or be happy about Jim Harbaugh's anti-abortion stance, he'll keep being Jim Harbaugh
https://sports.yahoo.com/be-outrage...e-hell-keep-being-jim-harbaugh-214055066.html

I guess I haven't weighed in on Harbaugh, but I support him saying whatever he wants. I (obviously) disagree with his position and I think he should a lot less cowardly in his attempts to make people think it's somehow brave to choose to play God w/other people's lives, as opposed to being hypocritical and unethical. But despite that, he should be able to say whatever he wants. It's a free country.

I think it's wrong for people to try to silence other people on sensitive issues. For instance, I want racists to speak freely. That way, we can identify who they are and can taunt, ridicule and marginalize them mercilessly their whole lives. Always good fun watching a racist get all offended at being called a racist when they damn well know they're racist but think they're somehow fooling everybody about it.

 

[mdk02]

His GF owns roughly 10 such semiauto rifles. Her mom has roughly the same amount, as do all her siblings (they all live together in NJ most of the year).

But think about it, would you want to be the criminal home invader who chooses one of their homes to invade? I sure wouldn't.

Forget home invaders, I'd be scared shitless if I broke up with her.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Forget home invaders, I'd be scared shitless if I broke up with her.

Hell hath no fury like a well-armed woman scorned?

 

[fsg2_rivals]

lol had to rib you a little bit. But maybe if the kid were in WV he'd have a gun to shoot back?

But what I do appreciate is your consistency...you want no bans, versus the others who want to ban anything besides guns...who thing it's unfair to say they should be vaxxed to enter a restaurant but would have a raped woman carry a baby...who say they're pro life but want to keep out refugees...or support the death penalty...Christians who seem to struggle with Jesus' words on the poor and disadvantaged...etc

Even I don't agree I can respect people who have a consistent line of thoughts. If the thought is just repeating what they hear on cable TV...then I don't. And you are the former, so I give credit.

It's hilarious they even brought up the vax. You mean, that time in which you independently had the ability to very easily save those precious lives you care so much about, without any gov mandate at all, but chose instead to cower, make every excuse Fox News could feed you, cry and spout off about your rights? That's the one you want to compare to the government actively mandating teenagers carry through the products of rape or incest? You don't really get to do that, cowards.

 

[Underdogs88]

The most important question is who are the unborn? If the unborn are human (science confirms the unborn are human) then they deserve human rights. All humans have equal dignity. It is immoral to discriminate based upon sex, skin color, race, level of development, location where one lives, etc.

The direct killing of an innocent human being is ethically wrong. The unborn are human. Therefore, the abortion procedure whose goal is to directly kill the unborn is ethically wrong.

 

[REDRICH65]

Guess he’s not as bad a guy as I thought. Pictured him as eating children

 

[fsg2_rivals]

The most important question is who are the unborn? If the unborn are human (science confirms the unborn are human) then they deserve human rights. All humans have equal dignity. It is immoral to discriminate based upon sex, skin color, race, level of development, location where one lives, etc.

The direct killing of an innocent human being is ethically wrong. The unborn are human. Therefore, the abortion procedure whose goal is to directly kill the unborn is ethically wrong.

Are you equally incensed when someone pulls the plug on a comatose relative? Because that's taking a life, too, one that has the same, maybe better, chance of surviving on its own as a fetus outside the womb.

 

[Knight Shift]

Back to Jim Harbaugh. Status quo for Jim.

 

[MADHAT1]

Hell hath no fury like a well-armed woman scorned?

maybe we should consider a fetus' right to use the stand your ground defense when that fetus shoots that well armed pregnant woman, who was scorned the moment the man found out she was pregnant, just before she goes into the abortion clinic . using a gun like this and in a state that allows concealed carry

just to make sure no one gets upset

so some of you that are easily offended : understand I was not being serious
so please don't start with the petty insults that tend to show very little imagination, but herds of frustration

 

[Knight Shift]

More of Jim Harbaugh being Jim Harbaugh:

 

[fsg2_rivals]

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Back to Jim Harbaugh. Status quo for Jim.

The team would have been waiting for him if it wasn't for his ridiculous abortion comments

 

[rubigtimenow]

The most important question is who are the unborn? If the unborn are human (science confirms the unborn are human) then they deserve human rights. All humans have equal dignity. It is immoral to discriminate based upon sex, skin color, race, level of development, location where one lives, etc.

The direct killing of an innocent human being is ethically wrong. The unborn are human. Therefore, the abortion procedure whose goal is to directly kill the unborn is ethically wrong.

Well said! Facts are hard to face sometimes and that is why they focus on other parts without ever focusing on the rights of the unborn human. #LoveThemBoth

 

[scarletbergen]

Jim is an idiot. He’s in deep trouble!!
Have the courage to STFU, sanctimonious prick. Have the courage, what a POS. So women simply lack courage, it’s a character flaw.

 

[RUBlackout7]

Well said! Facts are hard to face sometimes and that is why they focus on other parts without ever focusing on the rights of the unborn human. #LoveThemBoth

Now one day after conception is considered a “human”

 

[MADHAT1]

Now one day after conception is considered a “human”

next: "it's the thought that counts"

 

[hoquat63]

Outlaw condoms, think of all the innocent sperm cells being denied the right to live

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

...

GA, OH, SC have a 6 week ban.
....

Isn't that the same thing as saying those states protect the woman's choice for 6 weeks.. after which the baby's rights take precedence? Just from a practical standpoint 6 weeks seems a bit too short.. how long does it take to realize your pregnant? Mileage may vary a bit there... but suppose it it 4 weeks.. then to have 2 weeks to get ti done.. seems a bit short.

The outright bans, I find a little odd. We'll have to see what that means come November. Perhaps a bunch of state legislatures will see some turnover.

I do not know what the latest science is as to when a fertilized embryo becomes a living entity with feelings but I would think there is room here for compromise. I would further suggest that his topic is one area where the left's focus on "freedom from religion" might get some traction, if it can be said the outright bans are largely because of religion and that this is a case of a state imposing religious beleifs on its residents. I think SCOTUS might have an angle with which to work there and support both teh Consitution and a limited period of CHOICE for women. But Roe was not originally and wrongly decided from that standpoint.

I also think that when a pregnant woman loses a child through some accident or crime, those responsible could be charged with murder even though the woman herself could still legally choose to terminate. I find that a disturbing paradox.

 

[Knight Shift]

Back to Jim Harbaugh:

First tweet under original tweet pretty much nails it:




"Credit Harbaugh for this, however. He chooses to stand up and speak up on what he finds important. He isn’t scared. He isn’t quiet. And he isn’t part of any set political team. He will not walk in lockstep with anyone. He doesn’t mind angering those who previously praised him or pleasing those who previously attacked him."

He has praised Donald Trump —
He has ripped Donald Trump —
He attended a Hillary Clinton rally in Ann Arbor
He was a guest of President Obama for a State of the Union address
As a coach for the 49ers he enthusiastically said gay players were welcome on the team,
He took his Wolverine team to the Vatican,
In the summer of 2020, he marched in a protest following the death of George Floyd
“Zealots,” Harbaugh said. “We’ve got zealots on all sides of the aisle these days.”

"You can agree with Harbaugh on everything, nothing or some of the things, but you have to acknowledge he’s willing to take heat from everyone."

Like I said in my posts at the beginning of this thread, before it got derailed.

People should not be afraid to speak their mind out of fear of cancellation.

https://sports.yahoo.com/be-outrage...e-hell-keep-being-jim-harbaugh-214055066.html

 

[MADHAT1]

Outlaw condoms, think of all the innocent sperm cells being denied the right to live

 

[UMRU]

FIFY

 

[mildone_rivals]

The most important question is who are the unborn? If the unborn are human (science confirms the unborn are human) then they deserve human rights. All humans have equal dignity. It is immoral to discriminate based upon sex, skin color, race, level of development, location where one lives, etc.

The direct killing of an innocent human being is ethically wrong. The unborn are human. Therefore, the abortion procedure whose goal is to directly kill the unborn is ethically wrong.

All humans have equal dignity? That's an entirely subjective statement of opinion. And since I don't even know what it means, I can hardly agree about it.

Science cannot confirm that the unborn are human. It's not a scientific question; it's a theological or philosophical or legal question. Science can only confirm stuff that may or may not indicate human life (heartbeats or viability), depending entirely on one's viewpoint about such things. The rest is left to humanity to debate and struggle and try to figure out as best as we can. Scientists can have opinions just like the rest of us. But they can't confirm the humanness of a fetus any more than they can confirm the meaning of love.

Not to mention that we humans approve of the direct killing of other innocent humans all the time. The United States has killed many innocent humans during wars or other military actions. I don't like it. I think it sucks. But I accept the unfortunate reality that there will always be innocent collateral damage in war and that, sometimes, we have to fight wars to protect our way of life.

This hypocritical fake pious pretense of caring about fetuses because we care about human life is nauseating. As if somehow, the value of the on-off switch of initial existence for one human will ever be deterministically more important than the value of an entire lifetime lived for some other person. As if any one of us is qualified to make that determination for another.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Guess he’s not as bad a guy as I thought. Pictured him as eating children

They are great with a little BBQ sauce.

 

[Knight Shift]

Back to Jim Harbaugh:

First tweet under original tweet pretty much nails it:




"Credit Harbaugh for this, however. He chooses to stand up and speak up on what he finds important. He isn’t scared. He isn’t quiet. And he isn’t part of any set political team. He will not walk in lockstep with anyone. He doesn’t mind angering those who previously praised him or pleasing those who previously attacked him."

He has praised Donald Trump —
He has ripped Donald Trump —
He attended a Hillary Clinton rally in Ann Arbor
He was a guest of President Obama for a State of the Union address
As a coach for the 49ers he enthusiastically said gay players were welcome on the team,
He took his Wolverine team to the Vatican,
In the summer of 2020, he marched in a protest following the death of George Floyd
“Zealots,” Harbaugh said. “We’ve got zealots on all sides of the aisle these days.”

"You can agree with Harbaugh on everything, nothing or some of the things, but you have to acknowledge he’s willing to take heat from everyone."

Like I said in my posts at the beginning of this thread, before it got derailed.

People should not be afraid to speak their mind out of fear of cancellation.

https://sports.yahoo.com/be-outrage...e-hell-keep-being-jim-harbaugh-214055066.html

Anybody want to discuss Jim Harbaugh?

 

[MADHAT1]

Anybody want to discuss Jim Harbaugh?

 

[Knight Shift]

The thread was really about the guy's willingness to say what is on his mind regardless of who he might piss off. The Wetzel article is a great read.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Anybody want to discuss Jim Harbaugh?

Who's that?

 

[mildone_rivals]

The thread was really about the guy's willingness to say what is on his mind regardless of who he might piss off. The Wetzel article is a great read.

He can say what he wants. And people can kneel for the NA whenever they want.

Freedom, baby! Gotta love it.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Does the male have a right to question whether or not the impregnated woman should terminate his child?

If they weren’t close enough to discuss this, then no

 

[fsg2_rivals]

Now one day after conception is considered a “human”

Why stop there? Sperm is clearly alive and the start of human life. I expect every one of these benevolent lifesavers to save each and every sperm in every batch so that they can all reach their full potential!

Cranking off is murder!

 

[MADHAT1]

The thread was really about the guy's willingness to say what is on his mind regardless of who he might piss off. The Wetzel article is a great read.

Harbaugh speaks his mind and no matter if you agree with what he believes ( on any issue)
you shouldn't want him or anyone to remain silent about issues he feels strongly about, even if you disagree with his stance , he should have a right to state his opinion
UNLESS
you agree to STFU ( yourself) about any and every opinion you have.
If one wants to deny another person the right to speak because they disagree with what said , one needs to have that right taken from them.
That's only fair .Freedom of Speech shouldn't point only one way.

I wonder if the people praising him for his anti abortion speech in front of an anti abortion gathering would call someone talking about how he/she supports a women's right to chose when they're are at a pro abortion event.???
Some might consider that a horse of a different color and say he should shut his trap .
Just like some are doing because they don't agree with what he said at that anti abortion venue.

 

[MoreCowbellRU]

Harbaugh speaks his mind and no matter if you agree with what he believes ( on any issue)
you shouldn't want him or anyone to remain silent about issues he feels strongly about, even if you disagree with his stance , he should have a right to state his opinion
UNLESS
you agree to STFU ( yourself) about any and every opinion you have.
If one wants to deny another person the right to speak because they disagree with what said , one needs to have that right taken from them.
That's only fair .Freedom of Speech shouldn't point only one way.

I wonder if the people praising him for his anti abortion speech in front of an anti abortion gathering would call someone talking about how he/she supports a women's right to chose when they're are at a pro abortion event.???
Some might consider that a horse of a different color and say he should shut his trap .
Just like some are doing because they don't agree with what he said at that anti abortion venue.

I could completely disagree with someone's point of view and have no problem letting them know about it. That said, I will be the first guy in line to defend their right to state their case. Nothing bothers me more than folks that want to shut down dissenting opinions. We need more debate not less. All this censoring of debate is no bueno. If you are confident in your position there is no need to shut down debate.
And sometimes we will just have to agree to disagree. Doesn't make the other guy the enemy.

 

[mdk02]

I could completely disagree with someone's point of view and have no problem letting them know about it. That said, I will be the first guy in line to defend their right to state their case. Nothing bothers me more than folks that want to shut down dissenting opinions. We need more debate not less. All this censoring of debate is no bueno. If you are confident in your position there is no need to shut down debate.
And sometimes we will just have to agree to disagree. Doesn't make the other guy the enemy.

Satan, perhaps, but not the enemy

 

[mildone_rivals]

Satan, perhaps, but not the enemy

 

[RUBOB72]

Now one day after conception is considered a “human”

As soon as there is a viable and detectable heartbeat then yes that is a human being. That’s actually science…

 

[Underdogs88]

Now one day after conception is considered a “human”

That is correct. The genetics of a human zygote would confirm the offspring is human in nature.

 

[Knight Shift]

Language NSFW. Funny how people get triggered by Satan:

 

[fsg2_rivals]

As soon as there is a viable and detectable heartbeat then yes that is a human being. That’s actually science…

So then you must be in favor of keeping people plugged into life support indefinitely? I guess that's another life-changing decision we should remove from the hands of those it affects and give to "small" government?


Maybe they could build large, drab warehouses for that purpose, of course passing all costs to the disenfranchised family members, since government is only there to dictate personal decisions, not fund them.

 

[rubigtimenow]

So then you must be in favor of keeping people plugged into life support indefinitely? I guess that's another life-changing decision we should remove from the hands of those it affects and give to "small" government?


Maybe they could build large, drab warehouses for that purpose, of course passing all costs to the disenfranchised family members, since government is only there to dictate personal decisions, not fund them.

Pretty sure this is mostly managed by that human previously having the choice on whether to remain on life support or please don’t ever put me on life support. If that choice wasn’t made/declared by said human, then that human’s appropriate people make that choice, presumably and hopefully thinking about what that human would want them to choose in that situation.
You see yet how your analogy doesn’t align with what happens to the unborn child?

 

[tom1944]

Except companies jumped on his threat and forced employees to get vaxxed. Also how about the military forcing vaccines on their employees? Forcing companies with government contracts to force employees to be vaxxed. You're just an argumentative idiot.

"My body my choice" is about as apropos an argument as there is. Except in the case of vaxxes it was true and in the case of abortions it isn't. Should be "Our bodies my choice".

BTW 5 guys made up Roe v Wade from whole cloth and 4 guys and 1 woman undid the idiocy. So your initial argument was wrong. Dummy.

The military has required vaccines from the beginning of time. It’s about troop readiness

 

[MoreCowbellRU]

So then you must be in favor of keeping people plugged into life support indefinitely? I guess that's another life-changing decision we should remove from the hands of those it affects and give to "small" government?


Maybe they could build large, drab warehouses for that purpose, of course passing all costs to the disenfranchised family members, since government is only there to dictate personal decisions, not fund them.

If you can't see a difference between brain dead on life support and a newly created life with all the potential that life can attain, then I really don't know what to tell you.
Can't imagine you're serious.
What is your solution? Smother them with a pillow?
Pulling the plug is no guarantee of death. That situation happens all the time. I'm pretty sure killing them on purpose is off the table. So what's your point?