the NCAA tournament is all that matters, nothing else. The regular season, the OOC, the conference tourneys are all about getting to the dance.
Big Ten Yikes
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They played one game. it was on a huge stage with huge stakes. It was a pressure cooker all the way and it went down to the wire. one team made plays and won the the game, the other team didn’t. yet you’re arguing that the loser was the better team? huh?
Bids should be based on current season performance, not past tournament results.
Again, 7 big ten teams have made the championship game in the past 20 years, so all the “big and slow” or overrated stuff somehow doesn’t matter in the first 5 games (or non-conference) but shows itself in the title game?
Everyone would rather do it when it counts the most but that’s not something that’s under anyone’s control. Logic would dictate that the best teams from the regular season also have the best odds of doing it when it counts. So while it’s nice for the ACC that they are doing so well right now it’s not like fielding a bunch of mediocre teams that get hot in March is a repeatable strategy for the future.
Yes, often in sports worse teams beat better teams. Are you arguing that this is not in fact a thing that happens?
No, St. Peter’s is better than Purdue and Richmond is better than Iowa. That’s the only logical conclusion one can draw here.
You still don’t get it do you buddy? Miami and unc being on the bubble was a complete joke. They were only on the bubble because people like you said the ACC sucked when that clearly wasn’t the case.
They were on the bubble because UNC beat no one and Miami had several bad losses. The ACC was judged on ooc play which was really bad..UNC was beaten 15 plus many times
They did suck.
When someone correctly identifies that a team (or group of teams) has/have played badly, and then later they play well, that doesn't make the person wrong.
The ACC was bad early. Just like Rutgers was bad early. UNC, Duke and Miami playing better now. VTech and ND too. Happy?
The difference is that’s literally only 5 out of a 14 conference league and every other team outside of WF basically non-competitive in most ACC games except when playing each other as someone had to win. Even knowing what you know now, WF didn’t do enough to make the field. Their UNC, VTech and ND wins look better now but 2 of 3 were at home. That’s all they had on their resume. Their next best win might have been a home win over NW (in overtime). No other ACC team was even in the conversation and the top teams performing well now doesn’t change that everyone else stunk.
The difference is that’s literally only 5 out of a 14 conference league and every other team outside of WF basically non-competitive in most ACC games except when playing each other as someone had to win. Even knowing what you know now, WF didn’t do enough to make the field. Their UNC, VTech and ND wins look better now but 2 of 3 were at home. That’s all they had on their resume. Their next best win might have been a home win over NW (in overtime). No other ACC team was even in the conversation and the top teams performing well now doesn’t change that everyone else stunk.
Some good analysis of the subject in the link
It surely helps when the ACC has two blue blood programs in Duke and North Carolina .
It's not that complicated, but people can't seem to grasp this concept
That's the thing that gets me. Beating Purdue and losing to Northwestern should be the same as beating Northwestern and losing to Purdue.
Beating Virginia tech twice
Beating Virginia twice
Going 14-5 (before beating Duke) in the ACC tells me this is a good team.
Going 16-0 in Quad 2 and 3 games has to mean something too. That is really hard to do.
Heading into the Duke game UNC was just 2-8 vs q1 and 2-0 vs q2. They deserved to be on the bubble. They beat Duke and locked themselves in
Terrible numbers. They beat Duke and then went 1-1 in the Acc tourney.
There really is no reality where their resume would put them higher than a 8 seed
Terrible numbers. They beat Duke and then went 1-1 in the Acc tourney.
There really is no reality where their resume would put them higher than a 8 seed
Virginia is a measuring stick
Virginia Tech is a measuring stick
So is Northwestern and Maryland and Penn State.
Beating these teams means something. I am more impressed by a team that can go 3-0 vs these type of teams than a team that can beat Purdue but only wins 60% of these type of games
I am not saying they should have been better than a 8 seed, but they should have danced even if they lose to Duke and round 1 of ACct
For the regular season B1G was better than ACC. I’ll bet by March there wasn’t much of a difference. In fact it looks like ACC could be better.
Not that it is relevant to seed discussions
my main point is UNC 16-0 vs Q2 and Q3 is super impressive. It should mean a lot.
Not that it is relevant to seed discussions
my main point is UNC 16-0 vs Q2 and Q3 is super impressive. It should mean a lot.
At 4-9 with only one win vs tourney teams...i dont think they would
How are you justifying taking a team that has only one win vs the field
As I have said many times……if I were on the committee I’d look at a schedule a team played and overlay that with their win loss.
On purpose I would not even look at who they beat and who they lost to.
On purpose I would not even look at who they beat and who they lost to.
Their win loss would be better than RU and their schedules were not that far apart.
We disagree here bac2thelodge
Also 6 of their wins to BC, Louisville, NC State. These were really bad teams. Throw in a loss to horrific Pitt at home
Look at the wins RU had and then compare them to UNC without Duke.
Ill have to add Va Tech did win the Acc tourney so they beat another tournament team
Lost by 29 to Kentucky
Lost by 28 to Miami
Lost by 22 to Wake Forest
Lost by 20 to Duke
Lost by 17 to Tennessee
Lost by 9 to Pitt
Lost by 28 to Miami
Lost by 22 to Wake Forest
Lost by 20 to Duke
Lost by 17 to Tennessee
Lost by 9 to Pitt
I dont either generally..im just trying to amplify my point that before their win over Duke their resume had troubles
Looks like the Big's most prominent underclassmen have declared for the draft, Iowa, Nebraska, Purdue, and Wisconsin. Some could come back depending on whether they agent up'd with a certified NCAA agent or not. This trend makes the portal all that more important especially if you are losing your studs after 1-2 years.