If RHJ and Caleb come back...
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What you see is a kid who has been playing the whole season with a bad back, who has to be stretched out by training staff before the start of the second half of every game
What about the previous 3 years? I saw Caleb dive on the floor and take charges with a bad back. Ron was not in shape from Day 1.
Multiple times I watched Paul and Caleb on the floor diving for a loose ball with Ron watching.
In his career I dont ever recall him diving on the floor or taking a charge.
Do you think they get tired? They’re 22 years old and recovered the next day
Really?
I remember him diving on the floor during the Wisconsin game on the play that basically sealed the win.
I don’t think ron is an nba player. It would serve him well to improve his body and quickness.
Unfortunatly coming back has its risk as well. You don’t want to come back then not get back to tournament… always nice going out on a high note
Unfortunatly coming back has its risk as well. You don’t want to come back then not get back to tournament… always nice going out on a high note
We lost Corey we were much better
We lost Eugene and were better
We lost Myles and Jacob and took a slight step back
I am not giving up on season of Ron and Caleb don’t come back. If Cliff leaves……….
We lost Eugene and were better
We lost Myles and Jacob and took a slight step back
I am not giving up on season of Ron and Caleb don’t come back. If Cliff leaves……….
The last three seasons have been mentally exhausting.
I don't think that needs to be explained.
I didn't say physically tired.
Have you paid any attention at all to the pressure this team has had? For real?
What other team broke a 29 year tournament drought and then had that snatched away from them because of a pandemic? And basically had to do it again the following and the year after that? We won three must win road games at the end of the season 3 years in a row. So no, most team have not had THAT type of stress. I’m done with this conversation.
Whether he had a back issue or not, I agree that Ron's conditioning is what's holding him from taking the next step. He's got hops and he's got size to pound it inside, but you can see him, mouth wide open, sucking air at times. I don't know about you, but when that happens, everything else starts slipping (shooting, defense, hustle, etc.). Conditioning and, as a result, consistency is what he needs to work on.
I agree with this . This team had a lot pressure on it . It was their own doing due to poor start this year . But they really had to thread the needle
He should have worked on his 3 point shooting. His game isn't a fit for the NBA.
Ron really gains nothing by coming back and could actually hurt his pro chances a bit. Caleb on the other hand could potentially help himself immensely, he really hasn't had a lot of college minutes until this year. If the ND game is any peek into what he could be offensively, another summer/ year of College ball could be hugely beneficial. Plus it could realistically be his team should he decide to stay for one more
Kofi isn't in the greatest of shape and he really isnt that athletic. It was rather surprising how bad he was passing out of double teams, It was as if he was never double teamed before.
Take into consideration:
- the gained experience - maybe now they play hard in every game so that's 4-5 WTF losses that convert to wins
- a decent shooting guard replacement for Geo
- attrition from the rest of the Big 10 losing their top players.
Top 5 is a bit nuts. But a four-five seed caliber team? I could see it. All that said, I agree it's a fantasy at this point to think our starting 5 minus Geo will take the court in November.
Top 5 - yes, nuts. On the other hand, if Lafayette and UMass weren’t losses - this team might’ve been finished top 25. We wouldn’t have been in the play in game on that scenerio.
Theoretically if you replaced Geo with someone comparable and somehow retained everyone else with another year of training - it’s not over the moon to say the team couldn’t be better than this year’s team which wasn’t really that far from top 25 range.
He can change his body if he wishes to and really puts his mind to it. Julius Randle of the Knicks did.
Best of Luck,
Groz
If you only got someone comparable to Geo, sure. And Top 5 is a bold pre-season prediction for any team period.
But if we hypothetically returned BOTH Caleb and RHJ, and Geo’s replacement ended up being a home run, I don’t think “nuts” would be the right choice of words. And again, it’s very unlikely that we get both those guys back. The point is - if we were in fact returning Cliff, RHJ, Caleb and Paul with multiple schollies open to bring in a Geo replacement, hopefully get a better back up at the 5, and retain the guys like Hyatt and Mag after another off season of development - we would have every reason to be optimistic about the prospect for a very good season.
Again - I’m not saying this outcome is likely - just that we’d be a very good team (even if not top 5) if it somehow happened.
He has been consistent in his criticism of Ron. I like most of his posts and just ignore his BS comments about our best player who does it all for us.
There's a hemispheric distance between nuts and bold, and that distance exists here. And moments ago you agreed with nuts, and now it's not the right choice of words. It is.
No - not true. I initially said that if we were adding someone comparable to Geo, top 5 would fall into the “nuts” category.
If we hit a home run and replaced Geo with a guard that turned out to be a Johnny Davis or Jaden Ivey type, that would not be the case. Top 5 would still be bold, but it would not be ridiculous in that fantasy scenerio.
Yes, if Pike lands a potential national player of the year, all bets are off.
I gave an extreme example here because I didn’t want this thread to go off on a tangent with a debate of whether transfer x could be “better” than Geo. Geo was a great leader for RU and did a lot of great things for us. It wouldn’t take Pike bringing in a national All American though to upgrade that one position only, is the point. If you did that and every other major player returned we would be in very good position.
Yeah, but it would probably take something as extreme as that to suddenly change us into a top 5 team.
Not pre-season top 5. Yes, I’d agree.
But let’s say we brought in a Marcus Carr type transfer to replace Geo and the other 4 starters came back. We could conceivable be a preseason top 25 team in that scenerio - no? We’re going to pick up a guard like that by the way. Those of you who think we won’t don’t seem to understand how many good guards there are out there. That wasn’t what we needed last year.
Replacing RHJ and Caleb, is going to be much harder if they don’t return. There are usually less forwards like Ron in the portal and there are exactly 10 national DPOY finalists to begin with.
He would be the same player he is now, and was last year…unless he totally dedicates himself to getting in shape.