Keegan Elbow to RHJ

[richthedentist]

instant replay cannot reverse a foul call how the eff do they do that. Not only was that a foul but by the NCAA rules that was a clear Flagrant 1. That play alone was a 6 point swing because they gave the ball back to Iowa also with no call
Just a perfect example of the BS reffing that went on all game

 

[ScarletKid2008]

Big swing moment. Terrible

 

[anon_xekqhstck0ygt]

Crap call. Not a cylinder call at all. Ron was not in his cylinder. Murray bowled his way into Ron who held his ground.

 

[motorb54]

Gee, you would think Bo was one of the refs.


....what?... Oh, makes sense then.

 

[Scangg]

Changed the entire game

 

[tm_nj]

They had 27 free throws. Rigged!

 

[Westcoast]

Seems like a BS call but I don't know that cylinder rule. But hard to believe Ron's jaw can be guilty of a foul in that case.

 

[RCBeta79]

They had 27 free throws. Rigged!

They had 16 fewer free throw attempts last game.

 

[Amahawk]

Big swing moment. Terrible

Cylinder rule. You have a right to your space. He was trying to get a shot off , not swing an elbow. The officials got it correct.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

It was the right call. People need to stop whining.

 

[anon_xekqhstck0ygt]

Cylinder rule. You have a right to your space. He was trying to get a shot off , not swing an elbow. The officials got it correct.

No. Murray initialed all the contact and swung a high elbow. That’s not a cylinder rule.

 

[RCBeta79]

Bo was not the only Ref missing calls....McCaffery swatted McConmell's arm and he pointed out to the Ref.
That Ref warned McCaffrey on the side court....then calls a double technical against both of them.

Sorry, McCaffery was warned and it should have been one technical foul, not double technical.

 

[FtWorthHawkeye]

Yes. Fran and Iowa are constantly receiving the love of the refs. Always. I like your team a lot, just not their day.

 

[kupuna133]

I have only seen that call made 4 times in the past 3 years (I watch a lot of college basketball) 3 of those times were against RU in very similar situations. Obvious offensive foul with elbows thrown. Only to be over ruled by the ridiculous cylinder rule.

 

[ImBadRU]

Bs call

 

[richthedentist]

It was the right call. People need to stop whining.

According to the rule you can’t change a common foul call if you don’t want to call a flagrant 1 that’s fine but you are not allowed to take a foul back

 

[anon_xekqhstck0ygt]

It was the right call. People need to stop whining.

No. Ron cut him off held his ground. It’s not the right call. It would be right if Ron got into his space. Otherwise anytime you get stopped a player can just swing an elbow anytime in tight D

 

[Amahawk]

No. Murray initialed all the contact and swung a high elbow. That’s not a cylinder rule.

You are wrong.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Rules are the rules.

 

[Degaz-RU]

Bad call but we didn’t lose the game because of the refs. The game as a whole wasn’t called fairly, but we lost to a team that is just an offensive juggernaut.

 

[anon_xekqhstck0ygt]

You are wrong.

Get off our board I’m not wrong. Go celebrate on your board for ***** sake

 

[NiTeKnight]

Changed the entire game

That call really did change the game. K. Murray probably would have gone to the bench with 2 fouls.
Unbelievable reversal by the refs. How Harper Jr.. can get hit in the face by an elbow or forearm and a foul not be called on Murray is beyond me. Should at least have been a foul on both.

 

[richthedentist]

You are wrong.

Eff you that was a clear foul and another example of the BS reffing Iowa got all game

 

[Scangg]

You are wrong.

Nope, you are. Ron was straight up and down good D.

 

[Scangg]

That call really did change the game. K. Murray probably would have gone to the bench with 2 fouls.
Unbelievable reversal by the refs. How Harper Jr.. can get hit in the face by an elbow or forearm and a foul not be called on Murray is beyond me. Should at least have been a foul on both.

The ripple effect from that call was a tidal wave

 

[anon_xekqhstck0ygt]

That call really did change the game. K. Murray probably would have gone to the bench with 2 fouls.
Unbelievable reversal by the refs. How Harper Jr.. can get hit in the face by an elbow or forearm and a foul not be called on Murray is beyond me. Should at least have been a foul on both.

Ron didn’t touch him so not sure how he got a call

 

[RUBlackout]

That ref Bo is AWFUL!

should be eliminated from our league

 

[JerseyShoreKnight]

A cylinder violation occurs when the defensive player invades the offensive player’s space. Ron didn’t invade any space. Murray initiated the contact by posting up and trying to back down Ron. Ron didn’t give any ground and got clipped when Murray tried to pivot and rip to create the very separation he eliminated on his own earlier in the play. A clear offensive foul.

 

[anon_xekqhstck0ygt]

A cylinder violation occurs when the defensive player invades the offensive player’s space. Ron didn’t invade any space. Murray initiated the contact by posing up and trying to back down Rob. Ron didn’t give any ground and got clipped when Murray tried to pivot and rip to create the separate he eliminated on his own earlier in the play. A clear offensive foul.

This is exactly what I’ve posted about 10 times thanks !

 

[NickRU714]

Lets start with some ground rules before all of the literal ignorance that will be rampant in this thread.

The defender has to give the offense space to operate.
Ron was literally on top of him and got hit by Keegan's bicep/elbow (see the picture in the game thread) and had his hand on Keegan's hip. You can't be on top of the guy.
It's literally the same as a reach-in on swinging the ball through from left to right.

Doesn't matter if Ron is moving or not and who initiated the contact.
It's a foul on the defender.
Same as stepping under a guy who is landing on a shot. You have to give him space.

If you are going up for a shot and elbow the defender on the way up - it's a foul on the defender for being so close.
Of if you are going up for a shot and hit the defenders arm - it's a foul on the defender for being in your space.

That's why defenders stand straight up and keep hands straight up because that is their space. If they lean/move hands forward then they are in the offensive players space.

https://247sports.com/college/north...oks-NCAA-Tournament-March-Madness--130546375/

Rule 4, Section 39, Article 1c. The space that a player may legally occupy is defined by an imaginary cylinder surrounding the player and which extends from the floor to as far above the player as he can jump or extend his arms and body. The diameter of the cylinder shall not extend beyond the hands/arms on the front (the arms bent at the elbow), the buttocks on the back and the legs on the sides. These dimensions may vary according to the height and size of the player.

Rule 4, Section 39, Article 1k. The offensive player must be allowed enough space to make a normal basketball play. The defense may not invade the vertical space of the offense and make illegal contact when the offensive player is attempting a normal basketball play. A normal basketball play in this context includes shooting, passing, dribbling or pivoting.


Hyland wrote: “If the defender has invaded the space of the offensive player and the offensive player attempts a “normal basketball play” (defined as attempting to shoot, pass, dribble, or pivot) by moving his elbows from side to side either above the shoulders or below the waist with the forearms more vertical than horizontal, any resulting contact (other than incidental contact) to a defensive player caused by the swinging of the elbow shall result in a foul on the defense.”

 

[LOU-RU85]

He lowered his shoulder and drove into Ron. Was a terrible call but we did not lose because of it. We played terrible D.

 

[PatrickRU92]

Seems like a BS call but I don't know that cylinder rule. But hard to believe Ron's jaw can be guilty of a foul in that case.

I have watched a LOT of college basketball over the last 30+ years. I have seen that called TWICE. Both times against us.

That call was such bulls*t I can't even... He got freaking elbowed HARD in the face and HE got the foul. Ridiculous.

 

[PatrickRU92]

Lets start with some ground rules before all of the literal ignorance that will be rampant in this thread.

The defender has to give the offense space to operate.
Ron was literally on top of him and got hit by Keegan's bicep/elbow (see the picture in the game thread) and had his hand on Keegan's hip. You can't be on top of the guy.
It's literally the same as a reach-in on swinging the ball through from left to right.

Doesn't matter if Ron is moving or not and who initiated the contact.
It's a foul on the defender.
Same as stepping under a guy who is landing on a shot. You have to give him space.

If you are going up for a shot and elbow the defender on the way up - it's a foul on the defender for being so close.
Of if you are going up for a shot and hit the defenders arm - it's a foul on the defender for being in your space.

That's why defenders stand straight up and keep hands straight up because that is their space. If they lean/move hands forward then they are in the offensive players space.

https://247sports.com/college/north...oks-NCAA-Tournament-March-Madness--130546375/

Rule 4, Section 39, Article 1c. The space that a player may legally occupy is defined by an imaginary cylinder surrounding the player and which extends from the floor to as far above the player as he can jump or extend his arms and body. The diameter of the cylinder shall not extend beyond the hands/arms on the front (the arms bent at the elbow), the buttocks on the back and the legs on the sides. These dimensions may vary according to the height and size of the player.

Rule 4, Section 39, Article 1k. The offensive player must be allowed enough space to make a normal basketball play. The defense may not invade the vertical space of the offense and make illegal contact when the offensive player is attempting a normal basketball play. A normal basketball play in this context includes shooting, passing, dribbling or pivoting.


Hyland wrote: “If the defender has invaded the space of the offensive player and the offensive player attempts a “normal basketball play” (defined as attempting to shoot, pass, dribble, or pivot) by moving his elbows from side to side either above the shoulders or below the waist with the forearms more vertical than horizontal, any resulting contact (other than incidental contact) to a defensive player caused by the swinging of the elbow shall result in a foul on the defense.”

Great. Please let me know all the times you've seen that called. Please show me all the times when we've elbowed opponents that the recipient of the elbow gets called for the foul.

 

[WildTurk_rivals155877]

Lets start with some ground rules before all of the literal ignorance that will be rampant in this thread.

The defender has to give the offense space to operate.
Ron was literally on top of him and got hit by Keegan's bicep/elbow (see the picture in the game thread) and had his hand on Keegan's hip. You can't be on top of the guy.
It's literally the same as a reach-in on swinging the ball through from left to right.

Doesn't matter if Ron is moving or not and who initiated the contact.
It's a foul on the defender.
Same as stepping under a guy who is landing on a shot. You have to give him space.

If you are going up for a shot and elbow the defender on the way up - it's a foul on the defender for being so close.
Of if you are going up for a shot and hit the defenders arm - it's a foul on the defender for being in your space.

That's why defenders stand straight up and keep hands straight up because that is their space. If they lean/move hands forward then they are in the offensive players space.

https://247sports.com/college/north...oks-NCAA-Tournament-March-Madness--130546375/

Rule 4, Section 39, Article 1c. The space that a player may legally occupy is defined by an imaginary cylinder surrounding the player and which extends from the floor to as far above the player as he can jump or extend his arms and body. The diameter of the cylinder shall not extend beyond the hands/arms on the front (the arms bent at the elbow), the buttocks on the back and the legs on the sides. These dimensions may vary according to the height and size of the player.

Rule 4, Section 39, Article 1k. The offensive player must be allowed enough space to make a normal basketball play. The defense may not invade the vertical space of the offense and make illegal contact when the offensive player is attempting a normal basketball play. A normal basketball play in this context includes shooting, passing, dribbling or pivoting.


Hyland wrote: “If the defender has invaded the space of the offensive player and the offensive player attempts a “normal basketball play” (defined as attempting to shoot, pass, dribble, or pivot) by moving his elbows from side to side either above the shoulders or below the waist with the forearms more vertical than horizontal, any resulting contact (other than incidental contact) to a defensive player caused by the swinging of the elbow shall result in a foul on the defense.”

Amen. End Thread/

 

[RU_03]

Even if you disagree with who the foul is on, how the **** can a replay change the initial call without their being a flagarant?!

 

[NickRU714]

Picture of Ron leaning forward (not standing straight up) into Keegan so far he's literally half way up his bicep.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...tball-versus-iowa-part-ii.237395/post-5596873

 

[cm_13]

Picture of Ron leaning forward (not standing straight up) into Keegan so far he's literally half way up his bicep.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...tball-versus-iowa-part-ii.237395/post-5596873

Not the point. The call on the floor was an offensive foul.

 

[NickRU714]

Even if you disagree with who the foul is on, how the **** can a replay change the initial call without their being a flagarant?!

The ref explained it but I couldn't hear on the broadcast.
He was talking to the sideline guys and the camera was right there.

It would be reviewed because of blah blah
It could be reversed because of blah blah.
They never said it over the air though.

I'll rewatch later and see if I can hear it better.

 

[JerseyShoreKnight]

Lets start with some ground rules before all of the literal ignorance that will be rampant in this thread.

The defender has to give the offense space to operate.
Ron was literally on top of him and got hit by Keegan's bicep/elbow (see the picture in the game thread) and had his hand on Keegan's hip. You can't be on top of the guy.
It's literally the same as a reach-in on swinging the ball through from left to right.

Doesn't matter if Ron is moving or not and who initiated the contact.
It's a foul on the defender.
Same as stepping under a guy who is landing on a shot. You have to give him space.

If you are going up for a shot and elbow the defender on the way up - it's a foul on the defender for being so close.
Of if you are going up for a shot and hit the defenders arm - it's a foul on the defender for being in your space.

That's why defenders stand straight up and keep hands straight up because that is their space. If they lean/move hands forward then they are in the offensive players space.

https://247sports.com/college/north...oks-NCAA-Tournament-March-Madness--130546375/

Rule 4, Section 39, Article 1c. The space that a player may legally occupy is defined by an imaginary cylinder surrounding the player and which extends from the floor to as far above the player as he can jump or extend his arms and body. The diameter of the cylinder shall not extend beyond the hands/arms on the front (the arms bent at the elbow), the buttocks on the back and the legs on the sides. These dimensions may vary according to the height and size of the player.

Rule 4, Section 39, Article 1k. The offensive player must be allowed enough space to make a normal basketball play. The defense may not invade the vertical space of the offense and make illegal contact when the offensive player is attempting a normal basketball play. A normal basketball play in this context includes shooting, passing, dribbling or pivoting.


Hyland wrote: “If the defender has invaded the space of the offensive player and the offensive player attempts a “normal basketball play” (defined as attempting to shoot, pass, dribble, or pivot) by moving his elbows from side to side either above the shoulders or below the waist with the forearms more vertical than horizontal, any resulting contact (other than incidental contact) to a defensive player caused by the swinging of the elbow shall result in a foul on the defense.”

And what happens when the offensive player is given room but then invades the defender’s cylinder? Should the defender just back up of all the way to the basket or does he have a right to stay in the same spot? Murray got the ball and dribbled into Ron, invading his cylinder. Ron is under no obligation to reposition himself.

 

[RacPac12]

I'm not sure I understand the rule.

offensive players can swing elbows above shoulders and if they connect it's a defensive foul? So if a defender is all over you we should be teaching kids to swing their elbows high?

No intent to on Murray's part but is that really the rule?