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The facilities were an absolute joke. The RAC scoreboard was something you see at a high school gym. Every coach we had was hamstrung because of these issues.

This is a different time at Rutgers. We can’t give this man a free pass for years to come just because he got us to the dance one time. We have the money, we have the facilities and we have a renovated arena on the way. THIS IS A GOOD JOB!
 
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What exactly are your expectations? Rutgers was never going to go from missing 30 straight tournaments to making it every single season.

If it's 2024 or 2025 and we haven't been back then things will work themselves out. There's no use in pulling your hair out about the coach now. What do you want us to do, fire a coach for missing the tournament this year?
 
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S_Janowski

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Facilities definitely weren’t the problem with our previous coaches lol. Facilities are not really priority for top basketball recruits imo. They care more about winning programs, traditions and bags of cash.

Eddie Jordan could of had NBA facilities and he still would have been an awful college head coach.
 
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fluoxetine

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The previous coaches aren't relevant as a point of comparison. They are relevant because of the deep dark hole they dug us in terms of both personnel (a short term problem, but one it took Pike a few years to climb out of) and perception (a longer term problem that cannot be fixed overnight).
 
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The RUT

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fluoxetine said:
The previous coaches aren't relevant as a point of comparison. They are relevant because of the deep dark hole they dug us in terms of both personnel (a short term problem, but one it took Pike a few years to climb out of) and perception (a longer term problem that cannot be fixed overnight).
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The coaches didn’t dig that hole, the administration did.

Gary Waters was a better coach than Pike IMO.
 
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I’ve taken an interest in RU from afar as an Illini fan, as RU deals with similar (albeit different) dynamics as Illinois. Chicago = NYC, St. Louis = Philly and Illinois = New Jersey. Both pro sports states, but they both have huge alumni bases and potential fan bases desperately hungry to jump on the bandwagon when there’s something to cheer for. It’s caused me to root for RU when they aren’t playing UI.

So, if I were an RU fan, I’d see it like this: Rutgers is like Illinois in terms of potential but without the very significant aspect of Illinois’ rather storied history in basketball. Thus, as a fan I’d expect something between where the Illini have been the past few years and where RU is now. I think, going FORWARD at least, RU fans have every right to expect Fran-level-Iowa results as a baseline expectation, with multiple top 25-level teams per decade. Build some tradition, and go from there.
 
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kcg88 said:
What exactly are your expectations? Rutgers was never going to go from missing 30 straight tournaments to making it every single season.

If it's 2024 or 2025 and we haven't been back then things will work themselves out. There's no use in pulling your hair out about the coach now. What do you want us to do, fire a coach for missing the tournament this year?
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My expectations are that in year 7, we wouldn’t be predicated to finish at the bottom of the conference. That’s what next year is looking like.
 
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The RUT

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fluoxetine said:
No.

Literally no one.

Not a single poster on this entire board.

But you keep fighting that strawman.
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Lol I’ve been told by multiple posters that they believe Pike deserves a statue. LOL.

Pike hasn’t even come close to reaching Schiano 1.0 status
 
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RUDiddy777

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Fighter of the Nightman said:
I’ve taken an interest in RU from afar as an Illini fan, as RU deals with similar (albeit different) dynamics as Illinois. Chicago = NYC, St. Louis = Philly and Illinois = New Jersey. Both pro sports states, but they both have huge alumni bases and potential fan bases desperately hungry to jump on the bandwagon when there’s something to cheer for. It’s caused me to root for RU when they aren’t playing UI.

So, if I were an RU fan, I’d see it like this: Rutgers is like Illinois in terms of potential but without the very significant aspect of Illinois’ rather storied history in basketball. Thus, as a fan I’d expect something between where the Illini have been the past few years and where RU is now. I think, going FORWARD at least, RU fans have every right to expect Fran-level-Iowa results as a baseline expectation, with multiple top 25-level teams per decade. Build some tradition, and go from there.
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Good stuff, but for proportionality… NYC = Chicago + St. Louis + Philly + Detroit + Milwaukee + Baltimore and then some. lol. Think our fan base will grow as we string together some successful season - certainly helps having a team with personality that’s so easy to like. RAC will be sold out for the foreseeable future. Plus our pro teams have mostly sucked.

When we were 8-0 in 2006, the energy throughout the state was electric. Just one of my favorite falls.
 
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RUDiddy777

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The RUT said:
Lol I’ve been told by multiple posters that they believe Pike deserves a statue. LOL.

Pike hasn’t even come close to reaching Schiano 1.0 status
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By what metric isn’t Pike ahead of Schiano 1.0? Did I miss a BCS invite somewhere? Maybe a top 20 recruiting class?
 
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RUDiddy777 said:
Good stuff, but for proportionality… NYC = Chicago + St. Louis + Philly + Detroit + Milwaukee + Baltimore and then some. lol. Think our fan base will grow as we string together some successful season - certainly helps having a team with personality that’s so easy to like. RAC will be sold out for the foreseeable future. Plus our pro teams have mostly sucked.

When we were 8-0 in 2006, the energy throughout the state was electric. Just one of my favorite falls.
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Yeah, I know the math; it was a geography/relevance-to-the-school analogy. :)
 
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kcg88 said:
What exactly are your expectations? Rutgers was never going to go from missing 30 straight tournaments to making it every single season.

If it's 2024 or 2025 and we haven't been back then things will work themselves out. There's no use in pulling your hair out about the coach now. What do you want us to do, fire a coach for missing the tournament this year?
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You do understand that the future of this team is bleak to put it mildly? This is likely a bottom 3 team next year. So we wait until we're at the abyss before we start assessing Pike? It's so obvious that this team is headed for the precipice next season. Over the last 18 months, Pike has shown he can't retain talent, can't bring talent in through the portal, and brings in below average recruits.
 
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fluoxetine

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RutgersSam said:
You do understand that the future of this team is bleak to put it mildly? This is likely a bottom 3 team next year. So we wait until we're at the abyss before we start assessing Pike? It's so obvious that this team is headed for the precipice next season. Over the last 18 months, Pike has shown he can't retain talent, can't bring talent in through the portal, and brings in below average recruits.
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Yes, unless you had any idea we were on the brink of tournament quality seasons in 2019/20 and 2020/21 (you didn't) you should shut the **** up until the games are played.
 
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RUDiddy777 said:
By what metric isn’t Pike ahead of Schiano 1.0? Did I miss a BCS invite somewhere? Maybe a top 20 recruiting class?
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Pike is pretty easily replaceable if we’re being honest.

Schiano is Rutgers athletics. Crazy people still haven’t figured that out.

What Schiano 1.0 did is far more impressive than anything Pike has done at Rutgers tbh.
 
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Luvscarletknights said:
Jordan's lack of ability to coach was kind of a problem. Rice throwing basketballs at players was kind of a problem.

We have a respected coach who acts appropriately and wins is a good thing.
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You’re ignoring how Rutgers works.

Waters era was okay, but he was looking to leave NJ.

Rutgers made a calculated move (mistake) and hired FHJ with the intention that he would replace Waters.

That flopped and we went with Rice, who was a good hire and IMO a good ball coach. Just a little psycho who got exposed during the PC era.

Rutgers hired Jordan to restore the Rutgers name, it was literally never about winning. Jordan didn’t even try lol, our practices were NBA shoot arounds.

Hobbs came in and made a commitment to basketball because that’s what he cares about, so he hired and actually supported Pike.

I hate Hobbs probably more than 98% of posters on this board, but he gets more credit for bball success than Pike IMO.
 
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The RUT said:
You’re ignoring how Rutgers works.

Waters era was okay, but he was looking to leave NJ.

Rutgers made a calculated move (mistake) and hired FHJ with the intention that he would replace Waters.

That flopped and we went with Rice, who was a good hire and IMO a good ball coach. Just a little psycho who got exposed during the PC era.

Rutgers hired Jordan to restore the Rutgers name, it was literally never about winning. Jordan didn’t even try lol, our practices were NBA shoot arounds.

Hobbs came in and made a commitment to basketball because that’s what he cares about, so he hired and actually supported Pike.

I hate Hobbs probably more than 98% of posters on this board, but he gets more credit for bball success than Pike IMO.
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So they purposely hired Jordan with the intention of not winning. Are you serious?
 
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njcanesfan said:
Actually there’s quite a few.
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Scangg said:
If Pike gets fired after taking Rutgers from an absolute dumpster fire to 2 straight NCAA after missing one year.... how does that lure an upgrade at coach?
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Because the next coach is a visionary with a passion to recruit and have a staff that also recruits extremely well, is well connected at a very high level and as coaches who can coach all positions.
 
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Scangg said:
If Pike gets fired after taking Rutgers from an absolute dumpster fire to 2 straight NCAA after missing one year.... how does that lure an upgrade at coach?
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There’s two weird factions floating around this board right now. Those that think he needs to be fired ASAP, and those that think he will SHOULD be here forever because he went to 2* tournaments.

Those of us in the middle get bad comments because we want RU to win just as much as the next fan, but aren’t afraid to be real and say what’s really happening.


if you can’t see the “current” trajectory of this team based on the roster and what’s coming in, then you shouldn’t be on here discussing RU Hoops.

So, with this roster…we aren’t making the tourney this year or next….. So what’s the new standard? Being above 500?

Hypothetically speaking (I know a few of you can’t comprehend hypotheticals) …
Let say that pre tourney we budgeted RU bball as 1k per year.
After tourney run, ticket sales, etc… now RU budgets 2k per year for hoops but is making 5 due to overachieving. Now I can see the admin accepting a few bad years cause we’re still in the black.
But the decline over 2-3 years now that we raised (financial) expectations, now we’re budgeting for 5 but making 3. That is not sustainable. And I don’t care if you’re RU. Princeton or Yale… if you’re in the red with a downward trajectory YOURE OUT!
 
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kcg88

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RutgersSam said:
You do understand that the future of this team is bleak to put it mildly? This is likely a bottom 3 team next year. So we wait until we're at the abyss before we start assessing Pike? It's so obvious that this team is headed for the precipice next season. Over the last 18 months, Pike has shown he can't retain talent, can't bring talent in through the portal, and brings in below average recruits.
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We were picked 12th entering the 2019-20 season.

As I've said before, Pikiell got to the tournament doing things his way and earned the chance to continue doing them his way no matter how much you or I disagree with his recruiting, scheduling, or anything else.

Nebraska fired Tim Miles because they thought they could do better. They brought in a hot name. They're about to finish dead last for the third straight season.
 
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Why wouldn’t the NCAA tournament be the expectation every year? Sure, you may occasionally have an off year and miss but if fans think making the tournament every 3-4 years is acceptable it says a lot about our fan base.
 
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WPUknight said:
The facilities were an absolute joke. The RAC scoreboard was something you see at a high school gym. Every coach we had was hamstrung because of these issues.

This is a different time at Rutgers. We can’t give this man a free pass for years to come just because he got us to the dance one time. We have the money, we have the facilities and we have a renovated arena on the way. THIS IS A GOOD JOB!
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We have the money?
 
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