Pike is here for three more years. Its likely his contract gets extended
His recruiting..not good
His recruiting..not good
Enough with the coach comparisons before Pike
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And, when we go to hire a new coach, Rutgers will, once again, try to do it on the cheap. We tried to do it again with the Schiano re-hire show. This will not change. There has never been, and will never be, a commitment to big-time athletics at Rutgers. And, with the ever-changing landscape of college athletics going forward, there will be even less stomach for pursuing this in a place like Rutgers, in a state like New Jersey. Many people I know resent the fact that Rutgers spends so much money on athletics...and, almost just as bad, many people don't even care. I'm even starting to think that even lifers like Schiano and Pike must be re-thinking just how much they like college coaching. To old timers like themselves, with what is going on now, the situation must seem like the inmates are running the asylum.
Agree recruiting needs to get better. I wonder if knowing harp and geo were coming back stymied him a bit. Will be interesting to see what he can do when there is a lot of PT in the table.
Too much loyalty to them..too much honesty with recruits that he was going to be loyal to Geo and Ron. I see something similar happening in the portal for next year
He was leaving Rutgers and if memory serves me correctly, looking around already.
His wife hated NJ
To be fair to FHJ he actually had a lot of high profile national recruits on campus. He just couldn’t seem to get over the hump.
People forget Lance Thomas and Dominic Cheek were seriously considering RU and would have changed FHJ career path had he landed them. Lance he got screwed out of
Let’s be objective
This is a VERY good job
Year 1-Exceeded expectations -15-17 after what we had here in Eddie jordan
Year 2-met expectations - 15-19; regular season was a little disappointing but the run in the big ten tourney got us to where we probably should have been
Year 3 met expectations -14-17; little disappointed with how the season ended , youth showed , but winning 7 big ten games was a huge improvement
Year 4 -exceed expectations - we went to the year looking for NIT and a winning record ; we ended up with a winning record and would have been a NCAA bid if not for COVID
Year 5- met expectations - we went into the season ranked and expecting to get to the NCAA. We hoped to be a NCAA sweet 16 team to exceed expectations -but won a game in the NCAA .
This year - year 6- book is still Being written , but trending to being way below expectations . Pike set the bar real big, beat writers bought in, then national writers . Going to require a special turnaround and a NCAA run , both right now appearing to rewrite the narrative ...can’t and I don’t exoext it
Going forward - the questions will persist in. The program if there is enough recruited talent to stay at the mid level big ten program ....he will need to use his own words, “embrace the challenge “ and get it done with the next generation of players who are mostly under recruited
This is a VERY good job
Year 1-Exceeded expectations -15-17 after what we had here in Eddie jordan
Year 2-met expectations - 15-19; regular season was a little disappointing but the run in the big ten tourney got us to where we probably should have been
Year 3 met expectations -14-17; little disappointed with how the season ended , youth showed , but winning 7 big ten games was a huge improvement
Year 4 -exceed expectations - we went to the year looking for NIT and a winning record ; we ended up with a winning record and would have been a NCAA bid if not for COVID
Year 5- met expectations - we went into the season ranked and expecting to get to the NCAA. We hoped to be a NCAA sweet 16 team to exceed expectations -but won a game in the NCAA .
This year - year 6- book is still Being written , but trending to being way below expectations . Pike set the bar real big, beat writers bought in, then national writers . Going to require a special turnaround and a NCAA run , both right now appearing to rewrite the narrative ...can’t and I don’t exoext it
Going forward - the questions will persist in. The program if there is enough recruited talent to stay at the mid level big ten program ....he will need to use his own words, “embrace the challenge “ and get it done with the next generation of players who are mostly under recruited
The APC cost $115 million to build and we’re finalizing plans for a brand new Football only facility. What do you mean we’re not committed to big time athletics?
It's clear that fans don't understand CBB on a national level, which isn't surprising, because most fans posting on here, jumped on the bandwagon in the last 3 years, when football completely crashed.
There are around 95 Power 6 to 8 conferences and programs around the country, if I include Gonzaga, and a couple of other programs in the Mountain West (San Diego State) AAC like Memphis, Wichita State, Cincinnati etc
15 ACC
14 B1G
14 SEC
10 Big 12
12 Pac 12
11 Big East
10 Mountain West
AAC (Cincinnati, Wichita, Memphis), WCC (Gonzaga
There are around 36 "at large bids", vs 90 spots.
The question is, how many years in a row, should RU likely land ahead of 54 other Power programs in basketball?? Is it every other year, 2 out of 3 years.....3 out of 4 years??
There are around 95 Power 6 to 8 conferences and programs around the country, if I include Gonzaga, and a couple of other programs in the Mountain West (San Diego State) AAC like Memphis, Wichita State, Cincinnati etc
15 ACC
14 B1G
14 SEC
10 Big 12
12 Pac 12
11 Big East
10 Mountain West
AAC (Cincinnati, Wichita, Memphis), WCC (Gonzaga
There are around 36 "at large bids", vs 90 spots.
The question is, how many years in a row, should RU likely land ahead of 54 other Power programs in basketball?? Is it every other year, 2 out of 3 years.....3 out of 4 years??
I think if the next two seasons are very bad and there is no talent at all , he will need to be canned.
Good analysis . I don’t think you can survive long term at this level with fully under recruited guys. You need a couple studs . Cliff is that star in the making . Need him to stay and pike needs to upgrade from Harper and geo
Well , if it gets real bad the director of player development can get his video camera rolling . To speed up the process
You guys are the same idiots saying GS peaked in 2009 and 2010 and we need to find someone else.
We are Rutgers. A school that historically does not give 2 ***** about athletics. They do the bare minimum and always will.
We can easily go back to winning 12 games a year. Most of you forget that.
We are Rutgers. A school that historically does not give 2 ***** about athletics. They do the bare minimum and always will.
We can easily go back to winning 12 games a year. Most of you forget that.
Again with the bare minimum sh*t. That is the old Rutgers. Go look at the money we are putting into all the athletic buildings.
Building are great . Sure .
But will this school have the balls to hire someone like pitino or Sean Miller?
Everybody has nice buildings and almost everyone has a much nicer arena.
This is always my fear...50 years of "going big time" is viewed by many NJ residents (not my view) as a waste of time and money for a university. When I sit down and think about this point of view, are they wrong? My nephew loves sports...he laughs at my RU fandom...he says, "you would think that after all these years you guys would have caught lightning in a bottle and won a championship somewhere". And our last "big time" hire (Schiano) was only made in a process that akin to pulling teeth. This is not my hope for RU sports, never has been...love my Knights!. But, an objective look at the past, I'm afraid, just shows we are always a day late and a dollar short with whatever we end up doing. However, my hope always springs eternal...I hope things change. GO RU!
The fact that we don't even appear to be trying to find a high school recruit to fill the scholarship that opened when Braeden Moore decommitted makes me slightly hopeful that Pikiell knows he needs to change his ways.
I think you know the answer.
Completely agree. This year in the portal is so different than before. We had multiple senior leaders and players who were going to take a lot of shots. Geo and Ron leaving opens up a huge opportunity
There are only so many starting B1G roles as a team's primary offensive option available. We can offer that opportunity. It's an attractive situation
You are an absolute fool if you think anything has changed. Do you think the entire conference did nothing while we finally got a practice facility? Go visit some schools and see what we are competing against.
Bad take. First off, he took us from the Ashes of the Jordan debacle and built a tough, strong defensive-minded team that played hard and together, getting is two straight seasons of being an NCAA team, for the first time since the mid-70. How people seem to overlook that is astounding. Beyond astounding, actually. Secondly, there's no doubt the success we've had getting improved facilities is at least partly due to Pike turning the program around.
And third, what are you even talking about with regard to getting a free pass? A free pass implies this season is already a failure, but this season's not even close to being over yet, so maybe you could wait for us to not make the tourney before implying this season is going to be some sort of failure. It certainly is not looking great to make the tourney, but let's see what happens first. And if we don't make it, ok, do you think we should fire Pike for not making the tourney this year or are do you also, somehow know we're also not going to make it next year? He's the best coach we've had since Tom Young, IMO, so forgive me if I'm not ready to run him out of town yet.
JFC you're such a goddamned tool with the repeated "made the tournament once" ********. We clearly were in the tourney 2 years ago and were just waiting to see where we'd be seeded, so it's 2 years in the tourney. Just stop with the one year crap - you have little enough credibility already - don't blow it all by stupid statements like that.
I think this is a good take . We can revisit the pike debate in 2 years (end of 23-24). For now root for the team and hope for the best
It truly does come down to if you believe making the tournament is a major accomplishment or not.
Personally, I don’t think it is. Much like I don’t believe making a bowl game is a major accomplishment.
Pike has set a new level of expectations around here, and for that he definitely gets credit.
You just need to look at the direction of the program and where it’s headed. A bunch of people don’t like the direction, and unfortunately with his inability to close, I don’t feel optimistic about him locking down top level portal players.
A lot of people are acting like the NCAA tournament is a big deal, but you don’t even need to finish in the top half of this league to make it. Just don’t be complete scrubs and you’re in.
Yeah I mean unless it’s in the record books I’m not going to call it.
We never got to selection Sunday and we’ve seen crazy crap happen on that day in the past. We all assumed we were in, but it never actually happened.
But sure, if you want to give that to them that’s okay. 2 years of the tournament and when Myles, JY, Mathis left to transfer out I’ve heard he didn’t even think they were that great of players. But go off king.
The ncaa tournament is a big deal . It is the difference between a good season and a meaningless one
Making the tournament is a big deal for mid majors. For P5 programs it just means you were average in your conference.
The only reason it’s a big deal for us is because we haven’t been in 30 years.